RE: any dangers of filtering every /24 on full internet table to preserve FIB space ?

2022-10-20 Thread Adam Thompson
I can't find the original message, so replying to the wrong spot in the thread, but... no, filtering /24s is a bad idea if you want (more or less) all your packets to get to their destinations. If you filter all /24s you will lose reachability to 4x /24s I publish that have no covering route

abha

2022-10-20 Thread Randy Bush
abha ahuja died 21 years ago today; a force in routing, ops, and trying to liberate the culture. fort hose who want to pull threads, http://www.neebu.net/~khuon/abha/ https://archive.nanog.org/resources/scholarships/abha_ahuja there are others here who will have much better cites (hint

Detecting, mitigating, and preventing distributed large-scale prefix de-aggregation attacks

2022-10-20 Thread Lars Prehn
Dear NANOG, Our apologies to those who received this message via multiple channels. My colleagues and I recently revisited the topic of prefix de-aggregation attacks. We believe that the current IPv6 allocation policies combined with the ever-growing number of interconnection opportunities

Re: Newbies Question: Do I really need to sacrifice Prefix-aggregation to do BGP Load-sharing?

2022-10-20 Thread Matthew Petach
On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 6:23 AM Jon Lewis wrote: > [...] > While writing this though, two things occurred to me. > > 1) Are there any networks with routing policy that looks at prepends and > says "if we see a peering path with >X number of prepends (or maybe > just path length >X),

Re: Detecting, mitigating, and preventing distributed large-scale prefix de-aggregation attacks

2022-10-20 Thread Douglas Fischer
Your research is remarkably interesting. I intend to study it more closely in the coming days. I just like to share a methodology that I came across to mitigate this type of problem, and that I found very elegant. It's not ideal, but it has very small implementation requirements. Using

RE: jon postel

2022-10-20 Thread Adam Thompson
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RE: Newbies Question: Do I really need to sacrifice Prefix-aggregation to do BGP Load-sharing?

2022-10-20 Thread Pirawat WATANAPONGSE via NANOG
Dear all, Before all else: thank you all for the lightning-fast responses (even taking the time zone advantage into account). I really, really, really appreciate all your recommendations. Virtually all of you recommend prepending as the first choice. I also get the feeling that you guys

Re: Prepending

2022-10-20 Thread Tom Beecher
Always a bunch of them out there. Sometimes accidental, sometimes from folks who are trying to do something , just using ineffective methods to do it. On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 10:21 Sandoiu Mihai wrote: > Hi > > > > We have witnessed a lot of prepending in the last days, we got a few > internet

Re: Newbies Question: Do I really need to sacrifice Prefix-aggregation to do BGP Load-sharing?

2022-10-20 Thread Tom Beecher
1. Prepending by itself isn’t bad. Prepending past the point that it is effective in accomplishing anything is what you generally want to avoid. Even then, it’s not nearly as big a deal as some make it out to be in most cases. 2. De-aggregation has it’s uses and it’s place. Have a /20 , but

Re: Newbies Question: Do I really need to sacrifice Prefix-aggregation to do BGP Load-sharing?

2022-10-20 Thread Jon Lewis
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022, Tom Beecher wrote: 1. Prepending by itself isn’t bad. Prepending past the point that it is effective in accomplishing anything is what you generally want to avoid. Even then, it’s not nearly as big a deal as some make it out to be in most cases.  To me, it's somewhat

Re: Newbies Question: Do I really need to sacrifice Prefix-aggregation to do BGP Load-sharing?

2022-10-20 Thread Douglas Fischer
If your Upstream(Transit provider) prepends your routes without you asking or authorizing it to do so, you should SERIOUSLY consider switching providers! In the other email I talked about traffic engineering BGP communities. If those prepends were made from some community you were applying... OK,

Re: Newbies Question: Do I really need to sacrifice Prefix-aggregation to do BGP Load-sharing?

2022-10-20 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 5:13 AM Pirawat WATANAPONGSE via NANOG wrote: > I have considered the prepending myself, but dare not implement it yet > for the fear that BGP (Human) Community will burn me alive, witch-hunt style, > because of the following reasons: > 1. I can see from looking glass(es)

RE: Newbies Question: Do I really need to sacrifice Prefix-aggregation to do BGP Load-sharing?

2022-10-20 Thread Kevin Burke
Reading between the lines this network’s current lack of diverse providers is consistent with a geographic/monopoly disadvantage. I do agree that your transit provider is in bad form to pad your routes, but it does happen. A phone call or email to understand their limitations may be helpful.

Re: Newbies Question: Do I really need to sacrifice Prefix-aggregation to do BGP Load-sharing?

2022-10-20 Thread Tom Beecher
> > 1) Are there any networks with routing policy that looks at prepends and > says "if we see a peering path with >X number of prepends (or maybe > just path length >X), demote the localpref to transit or lower"? "i.e. > They obviously don't want us using this path, turn it into a