RE: Security gain from NAT (was: Re: Cool IPv6 Stuff)

2007-06-05 Thread David Schwartz
Combined responses to save bandwidth and hassle (and number of times you have to press 'd'): -- Just because it's behind NAT, does not mean it's unreahcable from the internet: Okay, so exactly how many times do you think we have to say in this thread that by NAT/PAT, we mean NAT/PAT as

Re: Security gain from NAT (was: Re: Cool IPv6 Stuff)

2007-06-05 Thread Nathan Ward
On 5/06/2007, at 9:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I posit that a screen door does not provide any security. Any is too strong a word. For people living in an area with malaria-carrying mosquitoes, that screen door may be more important for security than a solid

Re: Security gain from NAT (was: Re: Cool IPv6 Stuff)

2007-06-05 Thread James Hess
On 6/4/07, David Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I posit that a screen door does not provide any security. A lock and deadbolt provide some security. NAT/PAT is a screen door. This is a fine piece of rhetoric, but it's manifestly false and seriously misleading. Hi, David I think the

Re: Security gain from NAT (was: Re: Cool IPv6 Stuff)

2007-06-05 Thread Nicholas Suan
On 6/5/07, David Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Combined responses to save bandwidth and hassle (and number of times you have to press 'd'): -- Just because it's behind NAT, does not mean it's unreahcable from the internet: Okay, so exactly how many times do you think we have to say in

NANOG40 webcasting

2007-06-05 Thread MARLON BORBA
fellow NANOGers, are there live webcasts of NANOG presentations and talks? if so, where can I point my media player to? Abraços, Marlon Borba, CISSP, APC DataCenter Associate Técnico Judiciário - Segurança da Informação TRF 3 Região (11) 3012-1683 -- Dont just sit there and think it does not

Re: NANOG40 webcasting

2007-06-05 Thread Joe Abley
On 5-Jun-2007, at 12:30, MARLON BORBA wrote: are there live webcasts of NANOG presentations and talks? if so, where can I point my media player to? For the benefit of anybody else who was wondering (assuming someone already gave you an answer in private mail), look here:

Re: NANOG40 webcasting

2007-06-05 Thread Matthew Petach
On 6/5/07, Joe Abley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5-Jun-2007, at 12:30, MARLON BORBA wrote: Are there live webcasts of NANOG presentations and talks? if so, where can I point my media player to? For the benefit of anybody else who was wondering (assuming someone already gave you an answer in

Re: Security gain from NAT (was: Re: Cool IPv6 Stuff)

2007-06-05 Thread Kradorex Xeron
On Monday 04 June 2007 18:06, Owen DeLong wrote: On Jun 4, 2007, at 1:41 PM, David Schwartz wrote: On Jun 4, 2007, at 11:32 AM, Jim Shankland wrote: Owen DeLong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There's no security gain from not having real IPs on machines. Any belief that there is results from