How to Handle ISPs Who Turn a Blind Eye to Criminal Activity?

2007-10-12 Thread Paul Ferguson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This question is part reality, part surreality. Let me ask you this: What would you do when you have alerted (via abuse@ contacts) a notable ISP in the U.S. (not a tier one, and not just one of them) about KNOWN, VERIFIABLE, and RECURRING criminal

Re: How to Handle ISPs Who Turn a Blind Eye to Criminal Activity?

2007-10-12 Thread Paul Ferguson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Not intentionally trying to be retarded, but I've received an enormous number of private responses. Many thanks. It is odd, however, why folks felt the need to reply privately, and although I'm glad you did reply, it is somewhat of a statement, in

Re: How to Handle ISPs Who Turn a Blind Eye to Criminal Activity?

2007-10-12 Thread Sean Donelan
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007, Paul Ferguson wrote: The most obvious answer is: Gather evidence, contact law enforcement. Other than being provactively phrased, its often the same reason: e.g. what about anti-virus vendors who turn a blind eye to criminal activity by poor detection to new/old

Re: How to Handle ISPs Who Turn a Blind Eye to Criminal Activity?

2007-10-12 Thread John Kristoff
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:00:46 GMT Paul Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not intentionally trying to be retarded, but I've received an enormous number of private responses. [...] This question is part reality, part surreality. Let me ask you this: What would you do when you have alerted

Insight on L3/ Broadwing

2007-10-12 Thread Patrick Giagnocavo
I am a smug Telcove weenie (customer) who has been watching the integration of Telcove into the L3 Borg with satisfaction, as network connectivity has gotten better and even their billing system seems to be slowly improving over time. Meanwhile have come to expect that almost any Level3

Re: How to Handle ISPs Who Turn a Blind Eye to Criminal Activity?

2007-10-12 Thread Paul Ferguson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - -- Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know what case prompted Ferg to post his message to NANOG, but I I didn't specifically cite a particular case -- and won't -- but simply wanted to solicit some opinions from folks who may have

Re: How to Handle ISPs Who Turn a Blind Eye to Criminal Activity?

2007-10-12 Thread Paul Ferguson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - -- Michael Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We did exactly that with a similar incident and the local FBI Cyber Crimes folks told us that they couldn't help us because they were entirely dedicated to potential terrorist activities. So, I would