Hundreds of messages, each to roughly 10,000 subscribers, when the
network has but a few upstreams. It's been old for days, can we please
find a way to intervene and bring this to a stop?
9,800 of the subscribers shouldn't all have to filter it out. I for one
don't want my NANOG conference
Agreed.
I've disabled nanog-l delivery until the nonsense stops.
It's just flat out annoying now
-Christian
-Original Message-
From: Pete Templin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 2:46 PM
To: Nanog Futures
Subject: [Nanog-futures] Can we stop the Intercage
Agreed... Mailman has a feature for emergency moderation of all post, created
just for flame wars like this.
--
Brian Raaen
Network Engineer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thursday 25 September 2008, Pete Templin wrote:
Hundreds of messages, each to roughly 10,000 subscribers,
On Thu, 25 Sep 2008, Brian Raaen wrote:
Agreed... Mailman has a feature for emergency moderation of all post, created
just for flame wars like this.
I don't think it's a flame war, just an active discussion most have
something to say about. I still think it should stop at this point but
while
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It could also be argued that pushing this activity into multiple
legal jurisdictions just makes it darn near impossible for law
enforcement to take any action.
and you'd be able to measure this exactly how? instead of two
prosecutions a year that lead to plea
On 9/25/08, Paul Vixie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
so, now begins the search for the line that mustn't be crossed. if they
have N spamming customer or M captured machines running CC and they
disconnect such customers after P warnings or Q days, then will the
community still rise up in arms
No, but forcing them offline now that they are taking a new approach to
handling abuse is ridiculous.
Intercage are reaching out to the anti-abuse community and yet some
people on NANOG keep interfering with the cleanup process. How do you
expect them to clean up their network and return to
Tomas L. Byrnes wrote:
Or the highly likely scenario that the primary gateway accessible to the
survey tool is some load balanced SPAM filtering cluster, and not the
MTA in use as final delivery.
Good point, real MTA in front of Excange is extremely common..
Dear Randy;
On Sep 25, 2008, at 10:59 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
I am not sure if NANOG is set up to do an attitude adjustment on
civilization...
it keeps trying.
thunderbleep scorned verneer, so i tried ier and it worked.
Yes, I knew this was a typo, but I figured a little levity couldn't
Marshall Eubanks wrote:
Dear Randy;
On Sep 25, 2008, at 10:59 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
I am not sure if NANOG is set up to do an attitude adjustment on
civilization...
it keeps trying.
thunderbleep scorned verneer, so i tried ier and it worked.
Yes, I knew this was a typo, but I figured a
As much as I hate to tear people away from the Intercage/Atrivo debacle
and semi-tangential rants, I'll take one for the team and do it :)
I have an opportunity coming up to rebuild an existing machine room space
to an extent. It's not a total gut-and-refit, but I'll at least get to
put in
David W. Hankins wrote:
I think the current state of the art in civilized, peaceful,
extralegal negotiation of reasonable behaviour expected of businessmen
and their peers is a form of social ostracism given its name in 1880
when the Irish Land League bade everyone in Mayo county, Ireland not
to
http://www.webpowerswitch.com/ I've used these quite a bit. Depending
on the model you can get per port or per zone power management, and it
sends alerts if it's not in the state it's supposed to be, and some of
them can auto kickover things like routers if they suddenly cant route
(might be
APC makes 0U units for different types of electric hand offs.
AP7932 is a unit we've used with great success in the past. APC's
SNMP access is great as well since it can be integrated with just
about any kind of system.
--Matt
On Sep 25, 2008, at 12:37 PM, Justin M. Streiner wrote:
We have a lot of APC managed power bars (zero U vertical, and 19 1U
rackmount) and they work great. We SNMP manage them and access them via
web - they just work, and work well for our needs. Tripplite we've had
issues with over time, especially their UPS units (SNMP sucks on them).
Hope this
Justin Shore wrote:
Since the usefulness of this thread to NANOG is becoming less and less
as the thread wears on, where would the NANOG community suggest that it
be moved to?
Kind of a custom-fit for NANAE, isn't it?
We use APANET powerswitches, and we are quite happy with them.
24 ports units, around 600 EUR per unit.
www.apanet.pl
---
Nuno Vieira
nfsi telecom, lda.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tel. (+351) 21 949 2300 - Fax (+351) 21 949 2301
http://www.nfsi.pt/
- Justin M. Streiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Justin M. Streiner wrote:
I have some Tripp Lite PDUMH30NETs that work well and are reasonably
priced, but they have a few quirks (no RS-232 console port, web
interface seems to be a little shaky with Firefox, etc) that would
become more annoying when scaled up to several rows of new rack
On Thu, 25 Sep 2008, Justin Shore wrote:
David W. Hankins wrote:
I think the current state of the art in civilized, peaceful,
extralegal negotiation of reasonable behaviour expected of businessmen
and their peers is a form of social ostracism given its name in 1880
when the Irish Land League
On Thu, 25 Sep 2008, Justin Shore wrote:
One thing to be aware of with the vertical PDUs is where they get mounted.
Good point. The cabinets we'd be using have 4 stand-offs between the
rails and the cabinet frame, for wire management and they're fairly deep
as well. Even at that, some
NANOG makes a fine archive of discoverable material in a court case
intending to show collusion to drive folks out of business.
One presumes that each ISP here has some form of AUP and rules on
self-preservation roughly along the lines of if there is material
impact to my network or my
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Justin Shore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Justin M. Streiner wrote:
One thing to be aware of with the vertical PDUs is where they get mounted.
We've had lots of success with both APC and Baytech units. A lot of
the Baytech units ONLY have RS-232. Ditto on the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
NANOG makes a fine archive of discoverable material in a court case
intending to show collusion to drive folks out of business.
One presumes that each ISP here has some form of AUP and rules on
self-preservation roughly along the lines of if there is material
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:48 PM, Jo Rhett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sep 24, 2008, at 7:24 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
this way lies lynch mobs
shall we at least apply a vernier of civilization?
Randy, I would agree if anything less had ever been effective.
If you have a better idea, please
On Thu, 25 Sep 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
NANOG makes a fine archive of discoverable material in a court case
intending to show collusion to drive folks out of business.
One presumes that each ISP here has some form of AUP and rules on
self-preservation roughly along the lines of
On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:06:51 CDT, J. Oquendo said:
backyard protesting Oh no you don't!. A man's judgement
cannot be better than the information on which he has based it
Arthur Sulzberger
Of course, *all* providers execute some form of due diligence before accepting
a new customer, such as
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 02:26:28PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Of course, there's a discount carpet dealer in the area, has a big sign out
front We will not be knowingly undersold. Nice wording, that...
once burned, twice shy.
--bill
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 12:53 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:39:44 CDT, Justin Shore said:
group would be interested in knowing that whois.estdomains.com
(83.171.76.99) is now being hosted by as31353 via as8997 (didn't we have
Well, that didn't take long.
so then ,the
Anyone else gotten mail from John Lucania at atlantixglobal.com today?
He lists his phone numbers as:
770.582.7248 Direct
and
404.287.2603 Cell
Why not give him a ring (preferably on his cell phone, maybe tonight?)
and tell him what you think of spammers? :-)
-r
All,
At the company I work for we are looking to using Fiberlight in south
Florida (Miami, Ft. Lauderdale). Any one here use them and can share
some pros and cons?
Thanks,
Manolo
So, wll you be turning off your firewall and removing your router
passwords first to be the test case?
On 9/25/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
let's push this stuff back into the nation-states who sponsor
it and then use treaties to wall it off inside those places.
Let's not
I am a huge fan of the Avocent/Cyclades gear for its integration with the
serial console servers. They do grouping, and alerts over SNMP/SMS/email.
But the big seller for me is the integration.
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Duane Waddle [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 11:56
On Sep 25, 2008, at 5:31 PM, George William Herbert wrote:
Is there anyone who has successfully gotten DSL for out of band back
channel into the MAE-East building?
We're being told it's impossible, and somehow this strikes me as
somewhat improbable...
We're looking to do the same at Telx
Another vote for APC here. We've deployed many hundreds in various
receptacle configurations, and n'er any failures. The build quality
is definite cut above the competition, some with interiors that look
like they were assembled from duct tape and Radio Shack kits. :-)
As a word to the wise
-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Christopher Morrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 12:53 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:39:44 CDT, Justin Shore said:
group would be interested in knowing that whois.estdomains.com
(83.171.76.99) is now being
Why would it not be better to get an Ethernet cross-connect to someone
in the facility who might be willing to charge you DSL prices for
that kind of usage? (you'll pay for a cross-connect anyway)
Matthew Kaufman
(Sent from my iPhone)
On Sep 25, 2008, at 2:31 PM, George William Herbert
Or get an ISR with a 3G GSM card?
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Matthew Kaufman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why would it not be better to get an Ethernet cross-connect to someone in
the facility who might be willing to charge you DSL prices for that kind
of usage? (you'll pay for a
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Duane Waddle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We've had lots of success with both APC and Baytech units. A lot of
the Baytech units ONLY have RS-232.
I would like to register a strong vote against APC units. They are
quite fragile in our experience, to the point of
On 9/25/08, Mike Lyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Or get an ISR with a 3G GSM card?
I'm a fan of this solution. We use T-Mobile with EDGE cards (not 3G, but I
don't need 3G for SSH, RDP, etc) in several of our colocation environments
for remote access. At $30/month for the service (per card), it
I thought of that too right after I hit send... But I don't see many
scenarios where that is any better
Matthew Kaufman
(Sent from my iPhone)
On Sep 25, 2008, at 3:32 PM, Mike Lyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Or get an ISR with a 3G GSM card?
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Matthew Kaufman
Check out
http://www.wiredskies.com/CoLo-EVDO_ep_117.html
It's a neat solution where for less then DSL you can get out of band
over evdo to all your console ports/ethernet, and it also gives you a
POTS line over the evdo. I commented on how this was needed for years
and Chris Cook over
Hi,
I recently ran across a situation where a large ISP only accepts IRR
entries generated by RADB to build their path filters. I use the ARIN
Routing Registry. Is this a common practice? Should I convert over to
RADB?
Thanks,
Craig
From: Brandon Galbraith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm a fan of this solution. We use T-Mobile with EDGE cards
(not 3G, but I don't need 3G for SSH, RDP, etc) in several
of our colocation environments for remote access. At
$30/month for the service (per card), it was way cheaper
than a
Matthew:
Mike Lyon:
Matthew:
George:
Is there anyone who has successfully gotten DSL for out of band back
Why would it not be better to get an Ethernet cross-connect to
Or get an ISR with a 3G GSM card?
I thought of that too right after I hit send... But I don't see many
scenarios
Hi,
I recently ran across a situation where a large ISP only accepts IRR
entries generated by RADB to build their path filters. I use the ARIN
Routing Registry. Is this a common practice? Should I convert over to
RADB?
Thanks,
Craig
Since 2002, the RADB has included entries that
Sounds ridiculous...radb mirrors arins db, I don't see why they are
trying to force you to use radb.
You can query whois.radb.net and you will be able to see your arin objects...
Did they give you a reason on WHY you should have to use RADB?
Christian
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Craig
For an absolute base model, you could get the Cisco ISR 881.
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 3:35 PM, George William Herbert
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Matthew:
Mike Lyon:
Matthew:
George:
Is there anyone who has successfully gotten DSL for out of band back
Why would it not be better to get an
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 05:38:26PM -0500, Craig Holland wrote:
Hi,
I recently ran across a situation where a large ISP only accepts IRR
entries generated by RADB to build their path filters. I use the ARIN
Routing Registry. Is this a common practice? Should I convert over to
RADB?
They gave no particular reason. I figured I'd ask ya'all before I
started to push back and use phrases like 'silly', 'ridiculous', and
'pointless' in my argument to them.
Thanks,
Craig
-Original Message-
From: Christian Koch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 25,
Hi,
Is there anyone on this list that can give me a noc/security contact
for someone at theplanet.com
I have been getting a DDos from servers hosted with them for the past 60 hours
and they seem to have the care factor of 0
Thanks
Term
If you have some specifics I can pass them along
On 9/25/08, Term [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
Is there anyone on this list that can give me a noc/security contact
for someone at theplanet.com
I have been getting a DDos from servers hosted with them for the past 60
hours
and they seem to
On Fri, 2008-09-26 at 00:57, Colin Alston wrote:
Tomas L. Byrnes wrote:
Or the highly likely scenario that the primary gateway accessible to the
survey tool is some load balanced SPAM filtering cluster, and not the
MTA in use as final delivery.
Good point, real MTA in front of
On Fri, 26 Sep 2008, Term wrote:
Hi,
Is there anyone on this list that can give me a noc/security contact for
someone at theplanet.com
I have been getting a DDos from servers hosted with them for the past 60
hours
and they seem to have the care factor of 0
There are some good security
Hi,
Anyone involved in Cox's DNS resolver engineering and maintainance: can
you contact me off list to resolve some problems?
Thanks!
William
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 05:57:20PM -0500, Craig Holland wrote:
They gave no particular reason. I figured I'd ask ya'all before I
started to push back and use phrases like 'silly', 'ridiculous', and
'pointless' in my argument to them.
Allow me:
It is silly to attempt to use only a single
i think that what may have been glossed over here is that, if my memory
serves, which it often does not,
while a whois query to RADB will show mirrored entries from e.g. RGNET
peval() to RADB will not yield those mirrored data
this is a feature, not a bug, as one wants to order the peval()
Hey there,
Anyone know of a good rackmount supplies vendor near the greater Los
Angeles, CA area? Looking for a rack and some rackmount power strips if
possible.
Contact me off list.
Thanks Much,
Israel
On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 21:50 -0700, Paul Ferguson wrote:
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:10 PM, William Pitcock
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Esthost are nullrouted as of this morning. Even their administrative
network is nullrouted.
I think that is a good indication. As I said, if you have any
Some of you may recall back in late 2006 we ran an international poll on
MTA's, where over a period of several months and 12 and half thousands
voters later, Sendmail was declared king, followed by Qmail, then Exim
then Postfix, Exchange and some lesser know immaterials ...
Well folks we have
Hi,
On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 09:25 +0200, Colin Alston wrote:
Noel Butler wrote:
Some of you may recall back in late 2006 we ran an international poll on
MTA's, where over a period of several months and 12 and half thousands
voters later, Sendmail was declared king, followed by Qmail, then
It could be argued (since _is_ the North American Network
Operators Group) that pushing this sort of criminal activity
_out_ of North America is a good First Step to be able to
better manage the situation.
It could also be argued that pushing this activity into multiple
legal
How about our Wed. night (Oct. 1)/your Thursday morning (Oct. 2) at 9?
Would that work?
Susan Martens
ATT Director Peering Planning
732-420-5095
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-
From: Randy Bush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:37 PM
To: Paul
MARTENS, SUSAN, ATTOPS would like to recall the message, the NANOG mess.
Apologies to all -- I just fat-fingered an e-mail response.
Susan Martens
ATT Director Peering Planning
732-420-5095
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-
From: MARTENS, SUSAN, ATTOPS
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 8:55 AM
To: Randy Bush; Paul Ferguson
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject:
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