Re: [Nanog-futures] Can we stop the Intercage discussion mess now?

2008-09-26 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 02:58:36PM -0400, Brian Raaen wrote: Agreed... Mailman has a feature for emergency moderation of all post, created just for flame wars like this. chuckle I rate this one a 2 on a 10 scale of toastiness. But I think I probably have a much higher threshold for

Re: [Nanog-futures] Can we stop the Intercage discussion mess now?

2008-09-26 Thread Gadi Evron
On Fri, 26 Sep 2008, Rich Kulawiec wrote: On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 02:58:36PM -0400, Brian Raaen wrote: Agreed... Mailman has a feature for emergency moderation of all post, created just for flame wars like this. chuckle I rate this one a 2 on a 10 scale of toastiness. But I think I probably

Re: Rackmount Vendors

2008-09-26 Thread Steve Pirk
Not to plug people I know, but Chatsworth Products Inc. I know they are the best in the area and supply lots of fairly large cusomers (my real job included). http://www.chatsworth.com/datacenter -- Steve Equal bytes for women. On Thu, 25 Sep 2008, Israel Lopez wrote: Hey there, Anyone know

Re: once again, network hardware vendors spamming...

2008-09-26 Thread Peter Dambier
You can always excuse you are reading his add from the other side of the globe and did not know it was night over there :) Cheers Peter Robert E. Seastrom wrote: Anyone else gotten mail from John Lucania at atlantixglobal.com today? He lists his phone numbers as: 770.582.7248 Direct and

RE: breadcrumbs and collusion

2008-09-26 Thread michael.dillon
However, it makes little sense to close your gate to keep the stray dogs out of your yard, if they can just come in via your neighbour's gate and climb over the fences. It makes a lot of sense. Having closed your gate, and discovered a stray dog in your back yard, you can call the animal

Re: once again, network hardware vendors spamming...

2008-09-26 Thread Marshall Eubanks
Dear Robert; I feel that this is not appropriate for this list. Anyone on this list might have valid or nefarious reasons to wish to DOS someone else. This list is not an appropriate means of organizing that. I have not received such mail. I have no way of verifying whether or not you

BGP Update Report

2008-09-26 Thread cidr-report
BGP Update Report Interval: 25-Aug-08 -to- 25-Sep-08 (32 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS2.0 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASNUpds % Upds/PfxAS-Name 1 - AS9583 293291 3.5% 220.7 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 2 - AS1803 109779 1.3%

INTENSIVE09 Call for Papers

2008-09-26 Thread Fernando Boronat SeguĂ­
INVITATION = Please consider to contribute to and/or forward to the appropriate groups the following opportunity to submit and publish original scientific results. = == INTENSIVE 2009 | Call for Papers

The Cidr Report

2008-09-26 Thread cidr-report
This report has been generated at Fri Sep 26 21:17:13 2008 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date

Re: breadcrumbs and collusion

2008-09-26 Thread Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, it makes little sense to close your gate to keep the stray dogs out of your yard, if they can just come in via your neighbour's gate and climb over the fences. It makes a lot of sense. Having closed your gate, and discovered a stray dog in your back yard,

Re: ARIN Routing Registry vs RADB vs X

2008-09-26 Thread Joe Abley
On 25 Sep 2008, at 18:55, Craig Holland wrote: ...ones that only originate from RADB. This is the part that I found strange considering the ARIN records are in (show up in) RADB and they are what most would consider a trusted source. The only RPSL repository that I know of that has any

Internet Filtering Lobby ?

2008-09-26 Thread Marshall Eubanks
Does anyone know what this group is really about and how it might actually impact real networks ? Regards Marshall http://www.artsandlabs.com/ http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/09/entertainment-l.html Behind the lobby are ATT, Cisco Systems, Microsoft, NBC Universal, Viacom and the

Estonian Cyber Security Strategy document -- now available online

2008-09-26 Thread Gadi Evron
Hello. The Estonian cyber security strategy document is now available online. I must say once again the concept of a national cyber security stance is quite interesting. I decided to send a message to NANOG as the fields of activity part of the document clearly mentions ISPs in relation to

Re: Internet Filtering Lobby ?

2008-09-26 Thread Gadi Evron
On Fri, 26 Sep 2008, Marshall Eubanks wrote: Does anyone know what this group is really about and how it might actually impact real networks ? Reminds me of something Fergie said at ISOI 5 just a couple of weeks ago: if only the records industry was interested in folks like Atrivo and RBN

Re: Rackmount Vendors

2008-09-26 Thread Charles Wyble
I second that. Worked at several places that used them. Also check out Graybar. They have a will call office in Van Nuys. http://www.graybar.com/ PDU search results for example: http://tinyurl.com/4xh4wg Hope that helps. Steve Pirk wrote: Not to plug people I know, but Chatsworth Products

Re: once again, network hardware vendors spamming...

2008-09-26 Thread Joe Greco
Now, I know you, but there are way too many people on this list to know them all, or for them to all know you (or me, or anyone else). This caused me to go aha and I counted up unique accesses to the URL of the rack diagram I posted yesterday, and came up with 185. Assuming that most people

Re: Internet Filtering Lobby ?

2008-09-26 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:04:59AM -0400, Marshall Eubanks wrote: Does anyone know what this group is really about and how it might actually impact real networks ? I think Mike Masnick (over at TechDirt) has this nailed: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080925/0216422370.shtml

high latency ds3 issue on unloaded line

2008-09-26 Thread mike
Hello, I have a ds3 from qwest which has daily issues with insane point-to-point latencies sometimes exceeding 1000ms for hours on end, and which suddenly disappear, and does not appear to correspond with actual measured link utilization (less than 20mbps most days). To make a long

Re: high latency ds3 issue on unloaded line

2008-09-26 Thread chip
Mike, I've seen issues similar to this when using the 12 Port DS3 cards, Engine O, in Cisco GSR's. Basically if there's any single ds3 that is full on any of the 12 ports, then the buffers on the card fill up and every other port on that card has their traffic queued, thus introducing latency.

RE: high latency ds3 issue on unloaded line

2008-09-26 Thread prue
I am wondering if the packets might be MD5 packets addressed to your router. They might be small with no valid content but your router gets busy validating the MD5 sum for each packet before the router then drops the packet. That keeps the router busy doing nothing useful. Did you check your CPU

RE: high latency ds3 issue on unloaded line

2008-09-26 Thread John Lee
Mike, Your latencies which suddenly appear for several hours and then go away and do this on a regular basis sounds like a layer 2, facility switching issue. As you indicated the problem comes on during the day and then lets up late in the evening sounds like the under lying facility is

Re: high latency ds3 issue on unloaded line

2008-09-26 Thread kris foster
John Even if this is happening, the distance you can travel at 2/3 sol says there is something else going wrong here (1 sec latency is a very long time). Kris On Sep 26, 2008, at 11:59 AM, John Lee wrote: Mike, Your latencies which suddenly appear for several hours and then go away

Re: high latency ds3 issue on unloaded line

2008-09-26 Thread Jay Hennigan
John Lee wrote: Mike, Your latencies which suddenly appear for several hours and then go away and do this on a regular basis sounds like a layer 2, facility switching issue. As you indicated the problem comes on during the day and then lets up late in the evening sounds like the under lying

RE: high latency ds3 issue on unloaded line

2008-09-26 Thread John Lee
Kris, No disagreement on the sol, the issue is how many oeos the signal is going through and how far it is going. When the facilities switched in a previous life the latencies usually took a several hundred millisecond jump but not seconds. My question / issue is the repeatability and schedule

Re: high latency ds3 issue on unloaded line

2008-09-26 Thread Ben Plimpton
We've had a similar issue with a few of our Qwest DS3's. The solution has been 1 of the following 1) Qwest has over-provisioned the transit links on their atm network that the DS3 is riding and the during peak times of the day, the transit link becomes congested causing high latency

About.com/NYTimes admins about?

2008-09-26 Thread Christopher Morrow
Is there perhaps an about.com/nytimes.com admin around? I was wondering if they perhaps knew that their loadbalancer for www.nytimes.com is fairly broken wrt answering queries: (who's NS for nytimes.com) dig NS nytimes.com +short ns1t.nytimes.com. nydns2.about.com. nydns1.about.com. (who

Re: About.com/NYTimes admins about?

2008-09-26 Thread Christopher Morrow
I hate to reply to myself, but... (and I'm sure this isn't the only other example) what the heck is ETrade's LB doing here? (who is NS for etrade.com) ;etrade.com.IN NS ;; ANSWER SECTION: etrade.com. 3212IN NS dnsauth2.sys.gtei.net. etrade.com.

RE: high latency ds3 issue on unloaded line

2008-09-26 Thread Frank Bulk
It would be quite the poorly implemented ATM-based transport system if DS-3's were over-provisioned. We're not talking about packet-based service, it should be transported as traditional SONET-mapped. Frank -Original Message- From: Ben Plimpton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday,

Re: Estonian Cyber Security Strategy document -- now available online

2008-09-26 Thread Eliot Lear
On 9/26/08 4:08 PM, Gadi Evron wrote: Hello. The Estonian cyber security strategy document is now available online. I must say once again the concept of a national cyber security stance is quite interesting. But not new. It's something a number of governments have been advocating through