[Nanog-futures] issues with heavy-handed thread moderation and visibility

2009-04-06 Thread Gadi Evron
Fellow NANOG-ers. I am very happy eith the recent revival of traffic on NANOG on relevant subjects, as I am sure we all are. My email is about traffic we don't see and unless I am missing something, don't know gets filtered. due to what I believe is very heavy-handed moderation by the admin

Re: [Nanog-futures] issues with heavy-handed thread moderation and visibility

2009-04-06 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Gadi Evron g...@linuxbox.org wrote: I am very happy eith the recent revival of traffic on NANOG on relevant subjects, as I am sure we all are. My email is about traffic we don't see and unless I am missing something, don't know gets filtered. due to what I

Re: [Nanog-futures] issues with heavy-handed thread moderation and visibility

2009-04-06 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Gadi Evron g...@linuxbox.org wrote: I am very happy eith the recent revival of traffic on NANOG on relevant subjects, as I am sure we all are. My email is about traffic we don't

Re: [Nanog-futures] issues with heavy-handed thread moderation and visibility

2009-04-06 Thread Gadi Evron
Christopher Morrow wrote: do you have a link to this thread? (I don't actually see it in my box, so I fear I missed it for other reasons) oops, sorry... I did get the original message + ~6 followups. I just hadn't read them :( The follow-ups on-list were not extremely operational, the

Re: [Nanog-futures] issues with heavy-handed thread moderation and visibility

2009-04-06 Thread Gadi Evron
Joe Provo wrote: Gadi, Some valid points are raised. While additional discussion from interested folks here is encouraged, suffice to say that the topic will be on the SC call tomorrow, as we are the folks whom receive escalation appeals of MLC actions. Thank you Joe. I appreciate your

eGLOP and/or 232/8 question (SSM)

2009-04-06 Thread Ryan Landry
i apologize if this has been discussed...searching mboned/nanog/ietf/arin/etc archives doesn't give me the clarification i hoped for. is there a defined method to request eGLOP space? does anyone really care what people use internally for mcast? i see mr. eubanks submitted a proposal back in

shipping pre-built cabinets vs. build-on-site

2009-04-06 Thread Joe Abley
Hi all, Anybody here have experience shipping pre-built cabinets, with ~20U of routers and servers installed, connected and tested, to remote sites for deployment? The idea is to increase the consistency of the deployments by having them all built in one place by the same set of people,

RE: shipping pre-built cabinets vs. build-on-site

2009-04-06 Thread Richard Golodner
Joe asked today: Do I even need to spend time wondering about shock-tolerant cabinets, or should I instead be concentrating on finding the right company to wrap the cabinets for shipping, and to do the shipping itself? Joe, after having done a lot of this I found it was very

Re: shipping pre-built cabinets vs. build-on-site

2009-04-06 Thread Peter Beckman
On Mon, 6 Apr 2009, Joe Abley wrote: We've located a few vendors who sell shock-tolerant cabinets, but they're expensive and seem to me to be aimed at people who need to ship a set of equipment frequently (e.g. to support movie shoots, outside broadcasts, etc), rather than people who want to

Re: shipping pre-built cabinets vs. build-on-site

2009-04-06 Thread Lamar Owen
On Monday 06 April 2009 14:46:35 Joe Abley wrote: Anybody here have experience shipping pre-built cabinets, with ~20U of routers and servers installed, connected and tested, to remote sites for deployment? [snip] Do I even need to spend time wondering about shock-tolerant cabinets, or should

Postel Network Operator's Scholarship nominations now open

2009-04-06 Thread Robert Seastrom
[Sent to multiple lists; apologies for the duplicates] On behalf of the North American Network Operators Group (NANOG) and the American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN), I would like to take this opportunity to draw your attention to the 2009 Postel Network Operator's Scholarship. The

Re: shipping pre-built cabinets vs. build-on-site

2009-04-06 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Mon, 6 Apr 2009, Joe Abley wrote: Anybody here have experience shipping pre-built cabinets, with ~20U of routers and servers installed, connected and tested, to remote sites for deployment? The idea is to increase the consistency of the deployments by having them all built in one place

Re: shipping pre-built cabinets vs. build-on-site

2009-04-06 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 02:46:35PM -0400, Joe Abley wrote: Anybody here have experience shipping pre-built cabinets, with ~20U of routers and servers installed, connected and tested, to remote sites for deployment? shipping, no, moving yes. In past lives I've hired

Re: shipping pre-built cabinets vs. build-on-site

2009-04-06 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Mon, 6 Apr 2009, Joe Abley wrote: Anybody here have experience shipping pre-built cabinets, with ~20U of routers and servers installed, connected and tested, to remote sites for deployment? How tall are the doors in the destination datacenter? How much weight can be rolled over the

Re: shipping pre-built cabinets vs. build-on-site

2009-04-06 Thread Darren Bolding
I know some VAR's (CDW for example) will do racking/shipping from their facility. In the option we explored, they offered to allow us to rack gear ourselves or rack it themselves. They also were amenable to a VPN setup so we could get in via console and KVM's. They claimed to ship pre-built

Re: shipping pre-built cabinets vs. build-on-site

2009-04-06 Thread Owen DeLong
I have some experience with this, and, in general, if you have the option, it's best to ship the equipment and racks separately in their original manufacturer's packaging. If you don't have that option, use a moving company with a specialty (or specialty department) that does electronics

Re: shipping pre-built cabinets vs. build-on-site

2009-04-06 Thread Charles Wyble
Joe Abley wrote: Hi all, Anybody here have experience shipping pre-built cabinets, with ~20U of routers and servers installed, connected and tested, to remote sites for deployment? Not pre built cabinets, but I have shipped/received over $1,000,000.00 worth of gear

Re: eGLOP and/or 232/8 question (SSM)

2009-04-06 Thread Leo Vegoda
Hi Ryan, On 06/04/2009 10:51, Ryan Landry ryan.lan...@telus.com wrote: i apologize if this has been discussed...searching mboned/nanog/ietf/arin/etc archives doesn't give me the clarification i hoped for. is there a defined method to request eGLOP space? does anyone really care what

Re: shipping pre-built cabinets vs. build-on-site

2009-04-06 Thread Bill Woodcock
On Mon, 6 Apr 2009, Peter Beckman wrote: Probably be cheaper to get shock-tolerant packing crates and use normal cabinets. You'll probably learn a few hard lessons the first time around -- should have put in styrofoam wedges between servers, or the rackmounts you

Re: shipping pre-built cabinets vs. build-on-site

2009-04-06 Thread Matthew Kaufman
Owen DeLong wrote: (1)moment is the length (from the center of the rack) to the center of mass of the object multiplied by the mass of the object. If you change the datum to the bottom of the rack, the CG calculation is easier. Just remember that 6lbs/gallon for 100LL is close enough.

Re: shipping pre-built cabinets vs. build-on-site

2009-04-06 Thread Martin Hannigan
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Joe Abley jab...@hopcount.ca wrote: Hi all, Anybody here have experience shipping pre-built cabinets, with ~20U of routers and servers installed, connected and tested, to remote sites for deployment? I've done this in the past and most recently evaluated it

Re: shipping pre-built cabinets vs. build-on-site

2009-04-06 Thread Elmar K. Bins
mar...@theicelandguy.com (Martin Hannigan) wrote: 1. as-builts designated by the RU 2. physical layer wiring diagram 3. cable run list (optical, fiber, connector type, pots) 4. Bill of materials down to the rack mount kit screws 5. cut view, detailing cabinet details _from the datacenter_.

Re: shipping pre-built cabinets vs. build-on-site

2009-04-06 Thread Chaim Rieger
Hergo (1) did this for me a few times, they are out of ny though, and ship freight only. YMMV 1 www.hergo.com Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

Re: shipping pre-built cabinets vs. build-on-site

2009-04-06 Thread Martin Hannigan
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 5:33 PM, Elmar K. Bins e...@4ever.de wrote: mar...@theicelandguy.com (Martin Hannigan) wrote: 1. as-builts designated by the RU 2. physical layer wiring diagram 3. cable run list (optical, fiber, connector type, pots) 4. Bill of materials down to the rack mount

Re: shipping pre-built cabinets vs. build-on-site

2009-04-06 Thread Charles Wyble
snip Sending that one full rack has proven successful for us, but that was specialists with some experience, and it was road only. Every time I see suitcases being thrown around in airports...well... Baggage handlers have nothing on FedEX folks. They literally hurl packages into the truck