Re: Using private APNIC range in US

2010-03-19 Thread gordon b slater
On Thu, 2010-03-18 at 14:50 -0400, Daniel Senie wrote: As you note, debugging this type of thing is often not intuitive, as everything appears to work from almost everywhere I got curious yesterday and set off a couple (very slow {option -T0}, very polite, very restrictive) nmap single port

Re: Using private APNIC range in US

2010-03-19 Thread gordon b slater
On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 06:08 +, gordon b slater wrote: It looks like chaos-squared out there. I don't envy anyone fathoming that stuff out for real. clarification: `chaos` due to our ISP running internal boxes on the range in question, rather than external chaos. The implication being: if

Re: NSP-SEC

2010-03-19 Thread Paul WALL
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Guillaume FORTAINE gforta...@live.com wrote: Misses, Misters, You forgot the ballers, shot callers, brawlers, those who dippin' in the benz with the spoilers. [0] I would want to inform you that the security of the Internet, that is discussed in the NSP-SEC

Re: NSP-SEC

2010-03-19 Thread John Kristoff
On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 04:43:18 +0100 Guillaume FORTAINE gforta...@live.com wrote: First question : Why was I able to find this mail on the Internet if it should be kept secret ? nsp-security was originally formed out of the dissatisfaction with other so-called private collaborative channels back

Re: NSP-SEC

2010-03-19 Thread Leo Bicknell
I'd like to nominate this for the Best of Nanog 2010. In a message written on Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 02:50:37AM -0700, Paul WALL wrote: On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Guillaume FORTAINE gforta...@live.com wrote: Misses, Misters, You forgot the ballers, shot callers, brawlers, those who

Re: NSP-SEC

2010-03-19 Thread William Pitcock
On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 08:31 -0500, John Kristoff wrote: An ongoing area of work is to build better closed, trusted communities without leaks. Have you ever considered that public transparency might not be a bad thing? This seems to be the plight of many security people, that they have to be

Re: NSP-SEC

2010-03-19 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 06:42:44 PDT, Leo Bicknell said: I'd like to nominate this for the Best of Nanog 2010. Amen to that. As the Jargon File says, C|NK. Unfortunately, I was eating breakfast, and it was corn flakes not coffee. Ouch. pgpxfLFPGhvAM.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: NSP-SEC

2010-03-19 Thread David Barak
Total transparency in security matters works about as well as it would for law enforcement: fine for tactical concerns, but not so great for long-term strategic concerns. -David Barak On Fri Mar 19th, 2010 9:44 AM EDT William Pitcock wrote: On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 08:31 -0500, John Kristoff

Re: NSP-SEC - should read Integrity

2010-03-19 Thread bmanning
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 08:44:29AM -0500, William Pitcock wrote: On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 08:31 -0500, John Kristoff wrote: An ongoing area of work is to build better closed, trusted communities without leaks. Have you ever considered that public transparency might not be a bad thing? This

Cogent outage yesterday

2010-03-19 Thread Lorell Hathcock
All: Does anyone know anything about a Cogent outage yesterday? Thanks, Lorell Hathcock

RE: NSP-SEC - should read Integrity

2010-03-19 Thread Green, Tim R
There are some out there..Infragard?(shrugs shoulders).. -Original Message- From: bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com [mailto:bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 9:57 AM To: William Pitcock Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: NSP-SEC - should read Integrity On

Open Security (was Re:[a string that stops delivery here])

2010-03-19 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 3/19/2010 08:44, William Pitcock wrote: On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 08:31 -0500, John Kristoff wrote: An ongoing area of work is to build better closed, trusted communities without leaks. Have you ever considered that public transparency might not be a bad thing? This seems to be the plight

Re: NSP-SEC - should read Integrity

2010-03-19 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Mar 19, 2010, at 9:56 AM, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 08:44:29AM -0500, William Pitcock wrote: On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 08:31 -0500, John Kristoff wrote: An ongoing area of work is to build better closed, trusted communities without leaks. Have you ever

Re: NSP-SEC

2010-03-19 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 04:43:18 BST, Guillaume FORTAINE said: First question : Why was I able to find this mail on the Internet if it should be kept secret ? Congratulations. You found an example of a mailing list where applying a standard disclaimer by default *does* make sense, which then got

Re: Using private APNIC range in US

2010-03-19 Thread Charles Mills
I love war stories. I once got chewed out by a colleague ? from another organization because we were using their address space. We were using 10.0.0.0/8. Explanation of NAT and RFC1918 was met with a deer in the headlights look. On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Matt Shadbolt

RE: NSP-SEC

2010-03-19 Thread Adam Stasiniewicz
IMHO, I think you have it backwards. I see strategic discussions (like new crypto algorithms, technologies, initiatives, etc) should be open to public debate, review, and scrutiny. But operational/tactical discussions (like new malware, software exploits, virus infected hosts, botnets, etc)

Re: NSP-SEC

2010-03-19 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 10:08:55 CDT, Adam Stasiniewicz said: IMHO, I think you have it backwards. I see strategic discussions (like new crypto algorithms, technologies, initiatives, etc) should be open to public debate, review, and scrutiny. But operational/tactical discussions (like new

RE: NSP-SEC

2010-03-19 Thread David Barak
--- On Fri, 3/19/10, Adam Stasiniewicz a...@adamstas.com wrote: IMHO, I think you have it backwards.  I see strategic discussions (like new crypto algorithms, technologies, initiatives, etc) should be open to public debate, review, and scrutiny.  But operational/tactical discussions (like

Re: NSP-SEC

2010-03-19 Thread Brielle Bruns
On 3/19/10 6:42 AM, Leo Bicknell wrote: I'd like to nominate this for the Best of Nanog 2010. I'd like to second/third/whatever that nomination as well. :) Epic win. Not only did it make me fall off the chair laughing, but I highly doubt Fortaine will understand why its so funny.

Re: Using private APNIC range in US

2010-03-19 Thread Craig Vuljanic
Chuck - Very true... What about the time our old manager (MARTIN) gave your old organization that Entire Class B On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Charles Mills w3y...@gmail.com wrote: I love war stories. I once got chewed out by a colleague ? from another organization because we were

Re: NSP-SEC

2010-03-19 Thread Michael Dillon
When the Sun shines upon Earth, 2 - major Time points are created on opposite sides of Earth - known as Midday and Midnight. Where the 2 major Time forces join, synergy creates 2 new minor Time points we recognize as Sunup and Sundown. The 4-equidistant Time points can be considered as Time

RE: Cogent outage yesterday

2010-03-19 Thread Lorell Hathcock
Thanks for the responses to my query. Here's what happened to my network. On 3/17/2010 in the morning Central Time in Houston we started having issues connecting to parts of the rest of the world on an intermittent basis. We were troubleshooting our own equipment for quite some time and

Re: NSP-SEC

2010-03-19 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Fri, 19 Mar 2010, William Pitcock wrote: On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 08:31 -0500, John Kristoff wrote: An ongoing area of work is to build better closed, trusted communities without leaks. Have you ever considered that public transparency might not be a bad thing? This seems to be the plight

Weekly Routing Table Report

2010-03-19 Thread Routing Analysis Role Account
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. Daily listings are sent to bgp-st...@lists.apnic.net For historical data, please see http://thyme.apnic.net. If you have any comments please contact Philip Smith

ATT MIS Testing Center Manager

2010-03-19 Thread Micheal Patterson
Is there a manager in the ATT MIS Testing center by chance on the list, or anyone have a contact that can put me in direct touch with one? I've got one circuit out of a bonded set that the testing center has had in a loopback now for almost 24 hours and after level 3 escalation, it's still not

BGP Update Report

2010-03-19 Thread cidr-report
BGP Update Report Interval: 11-Mar-10 -to- 18-Mar-10 (7 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS131072 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASNUpds % Upds/PfxAS-Name 1 - AS665 99574 8.9%1059.3 -- DNIC-ASBLK-00616-00665 - DoD Network Information Center 2

The Cidr Report

2010-03-19 Thread cidr-report
This report has been generated at Fri Mar 19 21:11:43 2010 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date

Re: NSP-SEC

2010-03-19 Thread Jorge Amodio
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 8:42 AM, Leo Bicknell bickn...@ufp.org wrote: I'd like to nominate this for the Best of Nanog 2010. +1. Does the nomination include a sample ? J

Re: CRS-3

2010-03-19 Thread Steve Meuse
Paul Ferguson expunged (fergdawgs...@gmail.com): -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Anyone have any idea how much a fully configured CRS-3 would cost? Or how much power it would consume? Or how much heat it would generate? Admittedly, my information on these topics comes from NPR

Re: CRS-3

2010-03-19 Thread jim deleskie
Thats funny, not sure if Cisco sells one or not but back in the day, I worked @ Avici, and we did in fact have a special jack used to move the chassis around :) -jim On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Steve Meuse sme...@mara.org wrote: Paul Ferguson expunged (fergdawgs...@gmail.com):