Re: sort by agony

2010-08-27 Thread Callum Finlayson
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Michael J McCafferty m...@m5computersecurity.com wrote: For kicks, I looked at the most agonizing trip options... I chose a trip from San Diego to New York City... the worst were: 1) Tijuana to Mexico City, 16hr hour layover, then to Newark NJ and cost over

Re: Idea's for donating/recycling server hardware [Off-Topic]

2010-08-27 Thread Cian Brennan
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 04:05:33PM -0700, Wil Schultz wrote: I apologize for being somewhat off topic... I've got a fair amount of SPARC hardware (v210 through v490) and 32bit HP DL360-380 hardware that I'm looking for creative ways to dispose of or to donate. It seems like a waste to

Fwd: Re: [oss-security] CVE Request -- Quagga (bgpd) [two ids] -- 1, Stack buffer overflow by processing crafted Refresh-Route msgs 2, NULL ptr deref by parsing certain AS paths by BGP update request

2010-08-27 Thread Niko Thome
for those who missed it... kind regards, niko Original Message Subject: Re: [oss-security] CVE Request -- Quagga (bgpd) [two ids] -- 1, Stack buffer overflow by processing crafted Refresh-Route msgs 2, NULL ptr deref by parsing certain AS paths by BGP update request Date: Wed,

Re: Idea's for donating/recycling server hardware [Off-Topic]

2010-08-27 Thread Adrian Moisey
Hi It seems like a waste to send it to metal scrap, if anyone has a more creative way of disposal please contact me off list. Local to San Francisco. What about http://www.freecycle.org/ ?

Re: sort by agony

2010-08-27 Thread Andrew Kirch
On 8/27/2010 4:33 AM, Callum Finlayson wrote: On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Michael J McCafferty m...@m5computersecurity.com wrote: For kicks, I looked at the most agonizing trip options... I chose a trip from San Diego to New York City... the worst were: 1) Tijuana to Mexico City, 16hr

Re: sort by agony

2010-08-27 Thread Owen DeLong
On Aug 27, 2010, at 1:33 AM, Callum Finlayson wrote: On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Michael J McCafferty m...@m5computersecurity.com wrote: For kicks, I looked at the most agonizing trip options... I chose a trip from San Diego to New York City... the worst were: 1) Tijuana to Mexico

Re: sort by agony

2010-08-27 Thread Scott Brim
On 08/27/2010 01:46 EDT, JC Dill wrote: What is Agony, and why would I want to sort by it? Agony is our way of sorting flights to take into account price, duration, and number of stops. There's more to a flight than its price, so we provide this sort to give you better all-around results. I

Re: sort by agony

2010-08-27 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Aug 27, 2010, at 6:30 AM, Andrew Kirch wrote: On 8/27/2010 4:33 AM, Callum Finlayson wrote: On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Michael J McCafferty m...@m5computersecurity.com wrote: For kicks, I looked at the most agonizing trip options... I chose a trip from San Diego to New York

Re: sort by agony

2010-08-27 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 00:25:43 PDT, Michael J McCafferty said: 2) Tijuana to Guadalajara for an 8hr layover, then to Atlanta for a 1.5hr layover to New York LGA. I once got booked Roanoke-Pittsburgh-Chicago-St Louis-Columbia MO. All layovers *short* enough to induce run through the airport panic

Re: sort by agony

2010-08-27 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Aug 27, 2010, at 10:08 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 00:25:43 PDT, Michael J McCafferty said: 2) Tijuana to Guadalajara for an 8hr layover, then to Atlanta for a 1.5hr layover to New York LGA. I once got booked Roanoke-Pittsburgh-Chicago-St Louis-Columbia MO.

RE: sort by agony

2010-08-27 Thread Kain, Becki (B.)
My favorite is Detroit to Chicago, via ATL! -Original Message- From: Marshall Eubanks [mailto:t...@americafree.tv] Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 10:32 AM To: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu Cc: NANOG list Subject: Re: sort by agony On Aug 27, 2010, at 10:08 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:

Re: sort by agony

2010-08-27 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 10:32:17 EDT, Marshall Eubanks said: A _really_ intelligent airline scheduling system would (IMHO) be able to offer you options like there is a direct flight Pittsburgh - Kansas City, and from there it is a 2 hour drive to Columbia, so that will save you 5 hours travel

Looking for Fiber Plant Management software

2010-08-27 Thread Jeff Saxe
Good morning, NANOGers. My colleague at work wonders if anyone has suggestions for software to database all our fiber plant that we're constructing. We started out with paper, then Excel spreadsheets in a folder and on paper in a book, but clearly as our plant grows and we do more splicing

Re: Looking for Fiber Plant Management software

2010-08-27 Thread Jason Lixfeld
I've got a client who uses AutoCAD. They use it exclusively and have a pretty big fibre network for someone who's not an ILEC, so I guess it works fairly well. On 2010-08-27, at 11:39 AM, Jeff Saxe wrote: Good morning, NANOGers. My colleague at work wonders if anyone has suggestions for

Did your BGP crash today?

2010-08-27 Thread Kasper Adel
Havent seen a thread on this one so thought i'd start one. Ripe tested a new attribute that crashed the internet, is that true? Kim

Re: Did your BGP crash today?

2010-08-27 Thread Jared Mauch
I did see some attribute 99 stuff go around earlier today and have not yet researched it. Unknown BGP attribute 99 (flags: 240) Unknown BGP attribute 99 (flags: 240) Unknown BGP attribute 99 (flags: 240) Unknown BGP attribute 99 (flags: 240) Unknown BGP attribute 99 (flags: 240) - Jared On Aug

Re: Did your BGP crash today?

2010-08-27 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 19:27:06 +0200, Kasper Adel said: Havent seen a thread on this one so thought i'd start one. Ripe tested a new attribute that crashed the internet, is that true? If it in fact crashed the internet, as opposed to gave a few buggy routers here and there indigestion, you

re: Did your BGP crash today?

2010-08-27 Thread Nick Olsen
No down time here, Would have been all over the news and everything if it really do crash the internet. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Kasper Adel karim.a...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 1:27 PM To: NANOG list

Re: Did your BGP crash today?

2010-08-27 Thread Nick Olsen
Well played, Sir. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 1:32 PM To: Kasper Adel karim.a...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Did your BGP crash today? On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 19:27:06 +0200,

Re: Did your BGP crash today?

2010-08-27 Thread Thomas Mangin
Looking at the graph of at least one of the european exchange where RIS connect, it had an impact. Now saying it was nothing is like saying that the YouTube incident was nothing as you were not affected as you do not use YouTube. Some people did feel the pain - lucky it was not you :) Thomas

RE: Did your BGP crash today?

2010-08-27 Thread Blake Pfankuch
Ignoring the fact that the original poster has a thing for the dramatic, of those who did feel minor pain from this what hardware platforms were affected and what software versions just for curiosity sake. -Original Message- From: Thomas Mangin

Re: Did your BGP crash today?

2010-08-27 Thread Grzegorz Janoszka
On 27-08-10 19:31, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 19:27:06 +0200, Kasper Adel said: Havent seen a thread on this one so thought i'd start one. Ripe tested a new attribute that crashed the internet, is that true? If it in fact crashed the internet, as opposed to gave a few

Weekly Routing Table Report

2010-08-27 Thread Routing Analysis Role Account
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. The posting is sent to APOPS, NANOG, AfNOG, AusNOG, SANOG, PacNOG, LacNOG, CaribNOG and the RIPE Routing Working Group. Daily listings are sent to

Re: Did your BGP crash today?

2010-08-27 Thread Thomas Mangin
On 27 Aug 2010, at 19:27, Grzegorz Janoszka wrote: On 27-08-10 19:31, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 19:27:06 +0200, Kasper Adel said: Havent seen a thread on this one so thought i'd start one. Ripe tested a new attribute that crashed the internet, is that true? If it

Re: Did your BGP crash today?

2010-08-27 Thread Lucy Lynch
FYI: -- Dear Colleagues, On Friday 27 August, from 08:41 to 09:08 UTC, the RIPE NCC Routing Information Service (RIS) announced a route with an experimental BGP attribute. During this announcement, some Internet Service

Re: sort by agony

2010-08-27 Thread Jon Lewis
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010, Callum Finlayson wrote: 1) Tijuana to Mexico City, 16hr hour layover, then to Newark NJ and cost over $1k. 2) Tijuana to Guadalajara for an 8hr layover, then to Atlanta for a 1.5hr layover to New York LGA. Made all the more agonizing when you arrive in NY and customs

Re: Did your BGP crash today?

2010-08-27 Thread Thomas Mangin
So much for better left off public mailing lists ! sigh ! Thomas On 27 Aug 2010, at 19:42, Lucy Lynch wrote: FYI: -- Dear Colleagues, On Friday 27 August, from 08:41 to 09:08 UTC, the RIPE NCC Routing Information

Re: Did your BGP crash today?

2010-08-27 Thread Lucy Lynch
sorry - found via google... - Lucy On Fri, 27 Aug 2010, Thomas Mangin wrote: So much for better left off public mailing lists ! sigh ! Thomas On 27 Aug 2010, at 19:42, Lucy Lynch wrote: FYI: -- Dear Colleagues, On

Re: Did your BGP crash today?

2010-08-27 Thread Grzegorz Janoszka
On 27-08-10 20:41, Thomas Mangin wrote: I think most of the impact was limited to Europe, especially Amsterdam area. Yes, It had an effect on ISPs which are connected to RIS. http://www.ripe.net/ris/ AFAIK this mean ASes at LINX and AMS-IX . The LINX graph shows a similar (but smaller) dip of

Re: Did your BGP crash today?

2010-08-27 Thread Thomas Mangin
On 27 Aug 2010, at 20:03, Grzegorz Janoszka wrote: On 27-08-10 20:41, Thomas Mangin wrote: I think most of the impact was limited to Europe, especially Amsterdam area. Yes, It had an effect on ISPs which are connected to RIS. http://www.ripe.net/ris/ AFAIK this mean ASes at LINX and AMS-IX

Re: Did your BGP crash today?

2010-08-27 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 01:29:15PM -0400, Jared Mauch wrote: Unknown BGP attribute 99 (flags: 240) Unknown BGP attribute 99 (flags: 240) Unknown BGP attribute 99 (flags: 240) Unknown BGP attribute 99 (flags: 240) Unknown BGP attribute 99 (flags: 240) Just out of curiosity, at what point

Re: Did your BGP crash today?

2010-08-27 Thread Jeroen Massar
On 2010-08-27 21:13, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 01:29:15PM -0400, Jared Mauch wrote: Unknown BGP attribute 99 (flags: 240) Unknown BGP attribute 99 (flags: 240) Unknown BGP attribute 99 (flags: 240) Unknown BGP attribute 99 (flags: 240) Unknown BGP attribute 99

Re: sort by agony

2010-08-27 Thread Johnny Eriksson
Marshall Eubanks t...@americafree.tv wrote: A _really_ intelligent airline scheduling system would (IMHO) be able to offer you options like there is a direct flight Pittsburgh - Kansas City, and from there it is a 2 hour drive to Columbia, so that will save you 5 hours travel time That's

Re: Did your BGP crash today?

2010-08-27 Thread Jared Mauch
On Aug 27, 2010, at 3:13 PM, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 01:29:15PM -0400, Jared Mauch wrote: Unknown BGP attribute 99 (flags: 240) Unknown BGP attribute 99 (flags: 240) Unknown BGP attribute 99 (flags: 240) Unknown BGP attribute 99 (flags: 240) Unknown BGP

Re: Did your BGP crash today?

2010-08-27 Thread Jared Mauch
On Aug 27, 2010, at 3:17 PM, Jeroen Massar wrote: On 2010-08-27 21:13, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 01:29:15PM -0400, Jared Mauch wrote: Unknown BGP attribute 99 (flags: 240) Unknown BGP attribute 99 (flags: 240) Unknown BGP attribute 99 (flags: 240) Unknown BGP

Re: Did your BGP crash today?

2010-08-27 Thread Dave Israel
On 8/27/2010 3:22 PM, Jared Mauch wrote: When you are processing something, it's sometimes hard to tell if something just was mis-parsed (as I think the case is here with the missing-2-bytes) vs just getting garbage. Perhaps there should be some way to re-sync when you are having this

Re: Idea's for donating/recycling server hardware [Off-Topic]

2010-08-27 Thread Warren Kumari
On Aug 26, 2010, at 10:03 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: There's also http://www.nsrc.org at UOregon - as good a home as any , and better than most, for any gear you want to trash. On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 4:35 AM, Wil Schultz wschu...@bsdboy.com wrote: I apologize for being somewhat

Re: Did your BGP crash today?

2010-08-27 Thread Mike Gatti
where's the change management process in all of this. basically now we are going to starting changing things that can potentially have an adverse affect on users without letting anyone know before hand Interesting concept. On Aug 27, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Dave Israel wrote: On 8/27/2010

Re: Did your BGP crash today?

2010-08-27 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Mike Gatti ekim.it...@gmail.com wrote: where's the change management process in all of this. basically now we are going to starting changing things that can potentially have an adverse affect on users without letting anyone know before hand Interesting

Fwd: Idea's for donating/recycling server hardware [Off-Topic]

2010-08-27 Thread Wil Schultz
Thank you for all of the replies, the response has been overwhelming. :-) I think we're going to be able to do some good stuff with this junk, i'm going to start contacting some folks and get things going here shortly. Thank you! -wil Begin forwarded message: From: Wil Schultz

Re: Did your BGP crash today?

2010-08-27 Thread Clay Fiske
On Aug 27, 2010, at 12:13 PM, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: Just out of curiosity, at what point will we as operators rise up against the ivory tower protocol designers at the IETF and demand that they add a mechanism to not bring down the entire BGP session because of a single malformed

Re: Did your BGP crash today?

2010-08-27 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:43:39 PDT, Clay Fiske said: If -everyone- dropped the session on a bad attribute, it likely wouldn't make it far enough into the wild to cause these problems in the first place. That works fine for malformed attributes. It blows chunks for legally formed but unknown

Re: Did your BGP crash today?

2010-08-27 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 01:43:39PM -0700, Clay Fiske wrote: If -everyone- dropped the session on a bad attribute, it likely wouldn't make it far enough into the wild to cause these problems in the first place. And if everyone filtered their BGP customers there would be no routing leaks,

Re: Looking for Fiber Plant Management software

2010-08-27 Thread khatfield
Most of the ones I have seen (2 out of 3) were inhouse/home-grown solutions. I believe the other was provided by SA (Scientific Atlanta). I tried to do a quick search on it and it appears that product may now be provided by Cisco in partnership with SA. Best of luck -Original Message-

RE: Looking for Fiber Plant Management software

2010-08-27 Thread Jim Devane
OSP Insight. Pricey but an excellent tool for OSP documentation. -Original Message- From: khatfi...@socllc.net [mailto:khatfi...@socllc.net] Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 2:24 PM To: Jason Lixfeld; Jeff Saxe Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Looking for Fiber Plant Management software

Re: Did your BGP crash today?

2010-08-27 Thread bmanning
come on Chris, is the Internet an experiment or not? :) one would think that a responsible party would have made efforts to let others in the playground know they were going to try something different that could have ramifications on an unkown distribution

Re: Did your BGP crash today?

2010-08-27 Thread Claudio Jeker
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 04:57:17PM -0400, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:43:39 PDT, Clay Fiske said: If -everyone- dropped the session on a bad attribute, it likely wouldn't make it far enough into the wild to cause these problems in the first place. That works

BGP Update Report

2010-08-27 Thread cidr-report
BGP Update Report Interval: 19-Aug-10 -to- 26-Aug-10 (7 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS131072 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASNUpds % Upds/PfxAS-Name 1 - AS541663690 4.3% 513.6 -- BATELCO-BH 2 - AS346425712 1.7%1836.6 --

The Cidr Report

2010-08-27 Thread cidr-report
This report has been generated at Fri Aug 27 21:12:04 2010 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date

Re: Did your BGP crash today?

2010-08-27 Thread Warren Kumari
On Aug 27, 2010, at 5:37 PM, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: come on Chris, is the Internet an experiment or not? :) one would think that a responsible party would have made efforts to let others in the playground know they were going to try something

Re: Did your BGP crash today?

2010-08-27 Thread Clay Fiske
On Aug 27, 2010, at 1:57 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:43:39 PDT, Clay Fiske said: If -everyone- dropped the session on a bad attribute, it likely wouldn't make it far enough into the wild to cause these problems in the first place. That works fine for

Re: Did your BGP crash today?

2010-08-27 Thread Paul Ferguson
of this behavior. I'm just saying, it'd be nice if we could have correct behavior on the basics in the first place. :) As an aside, I see that Cisco has released a late Friday afternoon security advisory on this issue: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/cisco-sa-20100827-bgp.shtml FYI

Re: Did your BGP crash today?

2010-08-27 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Paul Ferguson fergdawgs...@gmail.com said: As an aside, I see that Cisco has released a late Friday afternoon security advisory on this issue: Huh, I had an upstream (with Cisco gear on their end) do URGENT maintenance last night with less than 12 hours notice. I wonder if

Re: Did your BGP crash today?

2010-08-27 Thread Randy Bush
Just out of curiosity, at what point will we as operators rise up against the ivory tower protocol designers at the IETF and demand that they add a mechanism to not bring down the entire BGP session because of a single malformed attribute? there is a problem underlying this. bgp is not tlv.

Re: Did your BGP crash today?

2010-08-27 Thread Randy Bush
So much for better left off public mailing lists ! sigh ! damn! security through obscurity busted again. will people never learn? /sarcasm? randy

Re: Idea's for donating/recycling server hardware [Off-Topic]

2010-08-27 Thread Randy Bush
http://nsrc.org/ will clean up and ship to the academics and ngos in the significantly less spoiled and privileged countries. randy

Re: Looking for Fiber Plant Management software

2010-08-27 Thread Francois Menard
We use Fiberworks from Enghouse. Its built atop ArcObjects and all data is stored in an ARCGIS geodatabase, providing good flexibility to get the data brought up on ArcGIS Server (Web) for web-based editing. The good thing about this system is that it can also be used for design of FTTH as