For the 2010 NANOG election, there is one charter amendment currently under
consideration by the Steering Committee, which would add a section to the
charter enabling and endorsing the the transition of NANOG from of Merit to
NewNOG.
The full text of the proposed amendment is at:
In the early internet, let's call that prior to 1990, the hierarchy
wasn't price etc, it was:
During the pre-1990's, I doubt any of the Internet founders were thinking
of how to pay for networks other than asking for more grant money. ARPA and
friends paid the bills, and asked for things
On Sep 14, 2010, at 1:37 AM, Michael Dillon wrote:
And let's not forget that the article which came up with the title of this
thread equates IETF with Internet Founders and is talking about the 1990s
and the introduction of diffserv.
If that's the case, the proceedings of ISOC's INET '98
Since I am a dinosaur and remember what was going on then ( one of
many on this list I am sure )
1) There was no clue that what we have today would develop.
2) General solutions to what were then abstract problems caused a lot
of open things to be thrown around.
And what does this appeal to the
* Leo Bicknell:
Rather than network neutrality, I'd simply like to see truth in
advertising applied. If my provider advertises 8 Mbps service
then I should be able to get 8 Mbps from Google, or Yahoo, or you,
or anyone else on the network, provided of course they have also
purchased an 8
On 2010-09-14 14:27, Elmar K. Bins wrote:
Hi guys,
I am looking for operational experience here.
We have just turned up IPv6 in our guest wireless, by way of using RA
for address distribution and DHCPv6 for the DNS server address (stupid, yup).
Unfortunately not a lot of gear understands
On Sep 14, 2010, at 5:27 AM, Elmar K. Bins wrote:
Hi guys,
I am looking for operational experience here.
We have just turned up IPv6 in our guest wireless, by way of using RA
for address distribution and DHCPv6 for the DNS server address (stupid, yup).
Apart from the dhcp6 part
On (2010-09-14 14:27 +0200), Elmar K. Bins wrote:
I as a networking droid have not much quarrel with that, but I am interested
in how or whether at all others handle this.
About year ago I spent half and hour hacking together base36 and rfc2289
stateless DNS for IPv6. I'm not making any
On 9/13/10 5:39 PM, Sean Donelan wrote:
On Mon, 13 Sep 2010, Barry Shein wrote:
In the early internet, let's call that prior to 1990, the hierarchy
wasn't price etc, it was:
1. ARPA/ONR (and later NSF) Research sites and actual network research
2. Faculty with funding from 1 at major
On 9/13/2010 12:05 PM, William Herrin wrote:
It's a question of double-billing. I've already paid you to send and
receive packets on my behalf. Detuning my packets because a second
party hasn't also paid you is cheating, maybe fraudulent.
Would you object to an ISP model where a content
On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 11:47:38 EDT, Dave Sparro said:
Would you object to an ISP model where a content provider could pay to
get an ISP subscriber's package upgraded on a dynamic basis?
It would look something like my Road Runner PowerBoost(tm) service, only
it never cuts off when the
Would you object to an ISP model where a content provider could pay to get an
ISP subscriber's package upgraded on a dynamic basis?
Yes - and the reason is extremely simple. There are a lot of ISPs and a lot of
plans. If I'm an entrepreneur looking to build Hulu from the ground up in a
On Sep 14, 2010, at 8:47 AM, Dave Sparro wrote:
On 9/13/2010 12:05 PM, William Herrin wrote:
It's a question of double-billing. I've already paid you to send and
receive packets on my behalf. Detuning my packets because a second
party hasn't also paid you is cheating, maybe fraudulent.
On 9/14/2010 1:08 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
On Sep 14, 2010, at 8:47 AM, Dave Sparro wrote:
On 9/13/2010 12:05 PM, William Herrin wrote:
It's a question of double-billing. I've already paid you to send and
receive packets on my behalf. Detuning my packets because a second
party hasn't also
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 02:27:59PM +0200, Elmar K. Bins wrote:
Are you creating DNS entries somehow (reverse and, ultimately, forward),
are you using BIND generate statements, are you using wildcards...or
are you just ignoring this for the dynamic boxes?
I haven't had my coffee yet this
Dave Sparro wrote:
I just don't see a way to get passed the current impasse.
The consumers are saying I want faster, as long as I don't have to
pay more.
Content providers are saying, If consumers had faster, I'd be able to
invent 'Killer App'. I sure wish the ISPs would upgrade their
Hi All,
I have an XMLRPC server/API that I implemented (written in perl) to manage most
of the cisco kit on the network, with most of the worker methods using
Net::Telnet::Cisco. Our new datacenter, however, has Cisco Nexus equipment
which totally breaks the API since Net::Telnet::Cisco
The consumers are saying I want faster, as long as I don't have to pay more.
Content providers are saying, If consumers had faster, I'd be able to invent
'Killer App'. I sure wish the ISPs would upgrade their networks.
ISPs are saying, Why should we upgrade our networks, nobody is willing to
On 9/14/2010 4:02 PM, Nathan Eisenberg wrote:
The consumers are saying I want faster, as long as I don't have to pay more.
Content providers are saying, If consumers had faster, I'd be able to invent
'Killer App'. I sure wish the ISPs would upgrade their networks.
ISPs are saying, Why should we
probably an odd question …
we have been assigned a few large blocks of IPs, and while configuring BGP i
got to wondering what these block's history might be. who had them in the
past,etc..
is there a publicly accessible db or similar which tracks that type of
information, or is that
www.Whois.net; whois.arin.net, etc.
~Jay Murphy
IP Network Specialist
NM State Government
We move the information that moves your world.
“Good engineering demands that we understand what we’re doing and why, keep an
open mind, and learn from experience.”
“Engineering is about finding the sweet
Hello:
Nominations for the NANOG Communications Committee are now open. This
is a great way to become involved and serve the NANOG community. From
the website:
The Communications Committee is a group of five individuals from the
NANOG community who together are responsible for the
that will show past whois records or just current? I didn't see any options
for historic records on arin,
thanks by the way.
-g
On Sep 14, 2010, at 4:56 PM, Murphy, Jay, DOH wrote:
www.Whois.net; whois.arin.net, etc.
~Jay Murphy
IP Network Specialist
NM State Government
We move
I second this...
~Jay Murphy
IP Network Specialist
NM State Government
We move the information that moves your world.
“Good engineering demands that we understand what we’re doing and why, keep an
open mind, and learn from experience.”
“Engineering is about finding the sweet spot between
Dear all,
The Tools track at NANOG Atlanta is a chance to talk about and
discover non-commercial network tools of interest to network operations.
If you have open-source or non-commercial software that you wrote or
use and is relevant to NANOG, consider presenting at this NANOGs Tools
Thanks for the pointers Joel!
google knows all, scary isn't it?
-g
On Sep 14, 2010, at 5:01 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
assuming the whois data has been cleaned up the next resource to look at
is:
routeviews or ris table dumps to see where or if it was advertised in
the past, and from
On Sep 14, 2010, at 11:57 AM, Dave Sparro wrote:
On 9/14/2010 1:08 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
On Sep 14, 2010, at 8:47 AM, Dave Sparro wrote:
On 9/13/2010 12:05 PM, William Herrin wrote:
It's a question of double-billing. I've already paid you to send and
receive packets on my behalf.
On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 08:06:03 -0700
Leo Bicknell bickn...@ufp.org wrote:
In a message written on Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 09:44:40AM -0500, Brian Johnson
wrote:
OK... so doesn't this speak to the commoditization of service providers?
I'm against more regulation and for competition.
On September 14, 2010 at 00:49 williams.br...@gmail.com (Bruce Williams) wrote:
And what does this appeal to the ancient wisdom have to do with
technology and business today anyway?
The article claimed that ATT is claiming (to the FCC I think it was)
that net non-neutrality was an early
On Sep 14, 2010, at 9:30 32PM, Barry Shein wrote:
On September 14, 2010 at 00:49 williams.br...@gmail.com (Bruce Williams)
wrote:
And what does this appeal to the ancient wisdom have to do with
technology and business today anyway?
The article claimed that ATT is claiming (to the FCC
Colleagues,
Following advanced notice sent to this list on 2010-08-03, the IANA
testbed was shut down on 2010-09-03.
For more details on the IANA DNSSEC testbed, see https://ns.iana.org/.
For more details on DNSSEC deployment in the Root Zone, see
http://www.root-dnssec.org/.
Queries to the
RIPE has been developing a couple of projects to support this sort of
history searching:
Internet Resource Database (INRDB):
http://labs.ripe.net/Members/kistel/content-intro-inrdb-internet-number-resource-database
Resource EXplainer (REX):
http://rex.ripe.net/
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:46 PM,
There has been a suggestion in the ARIN region for a whowas service.
- Suggestion 2008.15 – WHOWAS service. Implementation to be completed as
part of ARIN Online
-
---CJ
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Greg Whynott greg.whyn...@oicr.on.cawrote:
probably an odd question …
we have
***Apologies for cross-postings***
FINAL CALL FOR PAPER
Submission deadline; September 30 2010
The 2nd volume and 5th Issue of
International Journal of Computer Networks (IJCN)
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