Re: estimation of number of DFZ IPv4 routes at peak in the future

2011-03-09 Thread Randy Bush
i am more of a pessimist. i suspect that there will be enough v4-only destinations out there that multi-homed enterprises fronting onto dual-stack backbones will announce teenie bits of v4 so they can nat64. that teenie bit better be part of a larger aggregate that can reach at least one of

Re: estimation of number of DFZ IPv4 routes at peak in the future

2011-03-09 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 3/9/11 12:35 AM, Randy Bush wrote: i am more of a pessimist. i suspect that there will be enough v4-only destinations out there that multi-homed enterprises fronting onto dual-stack backbones will announce teenie bits of v4 so they can nat64. that teenie bit better be part of a larger

Re: What vexes VoIP users? - Bufferbloat

2011-03-09 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
Jim Gettys j...@freedesktop.org writes: Now that I have mitigated the bufferbloat disaster in my home cable service via bandwidth shaping, Skype works sooo much better for me. This is what devices such as Ooma are doing. Unfortunately, it means you have to defeat features such as Comcast's

Re: estimation of number of DFZ IPv4 routes at peak in the future

2011-03-09 Thread Randy Bush
one of these curves is steeper than the other. http://www.cidr-report.org/cgi-bin/plota?file=%2fvar%2fdata%2fbgp%2fv6%2fas2.0%2fbgp-active%2etxtdescr=Active%20BGP%20entries%20%28FIB%29ylabel=Active%20BGP%20entries%20%28FIB%29with=step

Re: estimation of number of DFZ IPv4 routes at peak in the future

2011-03-09 Thread Antonio Querubin
On Wed, 9 Mar 2011, Joel Jaeggli wrote: one of these curves is steeper than the other. http://www.cidr-report.org/cgi-bin/plota?file=%2fvar%2fdata%2fbgp%2fv6%2fas2.0%2fbgp-active%2etxtdescr=Active%20BGP%20entries%20%28FIB%29ylabel=Active%20BGP%20entries%20%28FIB%29with=step

RE: Interesting google redirects.

2011-03-09 Thread Gavin Pearce
Sure you all know this already: http://google.com/ncr Temp fix for getting the .com version. G -Original Message- From: Mark Keymer [mailto:m...@viviotech.net] Sent: 04 March 2011 06:14 To: Raymond Macharia Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Interesting google redirects. On this same

Re: IPv4 address shortage? Really?

2011-03-09 Thread Vadim Antonov
On Tue, 2011-03-08 at 07:37 -0500, Steven Bellovin wrote: ...well, kind of. What you don't mention is that it was thought to be ugly and rejected solely on the aesthetic grounds. Which is somewhat different from being rejected because it cannot work. No. It was rejected because

Re: estimation of number of DFZ IPv4 routes at peak in the future

2011-03-09 Thread Arturo Servin
On 9 Mar 2011, at 07:18, Joel Jaeggli wrote: one of these curves is steeper than the other. That's what we wanted for the first one.

Re: IPv4 address shortage? Really?

2011-03-09 Thread Eliot Lear
On 3/8/11 2:32 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Tue, 08 Mar 2011 07:37:27 EST, Steven Bellovin said: No. It was rejected because routers tended to melt down into quivering puddles of silicon from seeing many packets with IP options set -- a fast trip to the slow path. It also

Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table size considerations

2011-03-09 Thread Bill Blackford
Chris, With address exhaustion and deaggregation, the table is only going to get bigger so choosing anything now that can only handle anything south of 1M routes is not a wise investment. Several posters have recommended ASR1002 and MX80. I use both of these platforms in my environment and have

Re: estimation of number of DFZ IPv4 routes at peak in the future

2011-03-09 Thread John Curran
On Mar 9, 2011, at 12:43 AM, Majdi S. Abbas wrote: On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 12:44:05PM +0900, Randy Bush wrote: i am more of a pessimist. i suspect that there will be enough v4-only destinations out there that multi-homed enterprises fronting onto dual-stack backbones will announce teenie

ipv6 question

2011-03-09 Thread ann kok
Hi I read ipv6forum.pdf about ipv6 It said MTU must be at least 1280 bytes (1500+) Does it mean to set the mtu over 1500 I set my linux box eth0 as 2001:db8:cafe:::12/64 but I can't ping it inet6 2001:db8:cafe:::12/64 scope global tentative ls it this problem? Thank you # ping6

Re: ipv6 question

2011-03-09 Thread imNet Administrator
On 3/9/2011 8:41 AM, ann kok wrote: Hi I read ipv6forum.pdf about ipv6 It said MTU must be at least 1280 bytes (1500+) Does it mean to set the mtu over 1500 No, it simply means that the minimum MTU for IPv6 is 1280. I set my linux box eth0 as 2001:db8:cafe:::12/64 but I can't

Re: L3DSR server side bits open sourced

2011-03-09 Thread Shane Amante
On Mar 9, 2011, at 00:35 MST, Igor Gashinsky wrote: On Wed, 9 Mar 2011, Randy Bush wrote: :: a real use for the diffserv bits! why not flowlabel in 6? it's been :: looking for a use for a decade. Honestly, we figured flowlabel might actually find a use before all the values of diffserv

How many IPv6 BGP routes are you planning for in DFZ?

2011-03-09 Thread Jeff Wheeler
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 2:19 AM, George Bonser gbon...@seven.com wrote: The ipv4-ipv6-2 CAM profile in 5.1 gives 768K v4 routes and 64k v6 routes which should be good for quite a while.  That is provided you How many IPv6 BGP routes are folks typically planning for in the DFZ before a hardware

Re: IPv4 address shortage? Really?

2011-03-09 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 03:34:18 PST, Vadim Antonov said: Steven Bellovin wrote: And then some other dim bulb will connect one of those 5 layers to the outside world... Broken attribution alert - I wrote that, not Steve.. A dim bulb has infinite (and often much subtler) ways of screwing

Re: estimation of number of DFZ IPv4 routes at peak in the future

2011-03-09 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 3/9/11 1:55 AM, Antonio Querubin wrote: On Wed, 9 Mar 2011, Joel Jaeggli wrote: one of these curves is steeper than the other.

RE: estimation of number of DFZ IPv4 routes at peak in the future

2011-03-09 Thread George Bonser
the last serious satainc phylters died in 2001. salesmarketing pressure. when eyecandy.com is behind a /27, or your sm folk sell to weenie.foo who wants you to announce their /26, it will be the end of the /24 barrier. Sure, you can sell to someone who wants to announce a /26 and you can

Re: estimation of number of DFZ IPv4 routes at peak in the future

2011-03-09 Thread Owen DeLong
On Mar 9, 2011, at 4:06 AM, Arturo Servin wrote: On 9 Mar 2011, at 07:18, Joel Jaeggli wrote: one of these curves is steeper than the other. That's what we wanted for the first one.

Re: estimation of number of DFZ IPv4 routes at peak in the future

2011-03-09 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: On Mar 9, 2011, at 4:06 AM, Arturo Servin wrote: On 9 Mar 2011, at 07:18, Joel Jaeggli wrote: one of these curves is steeper than the other.       That's what we wanted for the first one.

RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table size considerations

2011-03-09 Thread Chris Enger
Thank you everyone for the suggestions both on and off list. We will be looking at a few additional devices along with what we have researched. Thanks, Chris -Original Message- From: Bill Blackford [mailto:bblackf...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 5:53 AM To: Chris

Re: estimation of number of DFZ IPv4 routes at peak in the future

2011-03-09 Thread Arturo Servin
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=enas_sdt=0,5cluster=6058676534328717115 @article{cittadini2010evolution, title={{Evolution of Internet Address Space Deaggregation: Myths and Reality}}, author={Cittadini, L. and Muhlbauer, W. and Uhlig, S. and Bush, R. and Fran{\c{c}}ois, P.

Re: L3DSR server side bits open sourced

2011-03-09 Thread Igor Gashinsky
On Wed, 9 Mar 2011, Shane Amante wrote: :: :: On Mar 9, 2011, at 00:35 MST, Igor Gashinsky wrote: :: On Wed, 9 Mar 2011, Randy Bush wrote: :: :: :: a real use for the diffserv bits! why not flowlabel in 6? it's been :: :: looking for a use for a decade. :: :: Honestly, we figured

Geolocation Info Correction Needed at Apple, Yahoo, MSN

2011-03-09 Thread Schiller, Heather A
If anyone is listening, would you be so kind as to update geolocation info for the following-- they are in Mexico, not Argentina. inetnum: 186.64.16.176/29 status: reallocated owner: Infor Global Solutions Mexico SA de CV ownerid: MX-IGSM-LACNIC responsible: Hector Garcia

RE: Geolocation Info Correction Needed at Apple, Yahoo, MSN

2011-03-09 Thread Frank Bulk
There is no (publicly) known process for those three major sites -- if anyone does learn, please update the wiki. Probably the best place to start with each of those is the generic support e-mail/web form. Frank -Original Message- From: Schiller, Heather A

Re: Geolocation Info Correction Needed at Apple, Yahoo, MSN

2011-03-09 Thread Joel Jaeggli
I'd be willing to bet that's maxmind's geoip database. for some if not all three it corroborates the argentina response... correct...@maxmind.com On 3/9/11 11:32 AM, Schiller, Heather A wrote: If anyone is listening, would you be so kind as to update geolocation info for the following--

RE: Anyone has a contact with IP clue at VerizonBusiness?

2011-03-09 Thread Schiller, Heather A
Hi :) I don't manage IP space day to day anymore.. But can get you in touch w/ the folks who do. No promises, as I don't know what the issue is - but I can try to help clear up any problem as well. ..and there really isn't a panic over here, we've known it was coming for years. --Heather

Re: estimation of number of DFZ IPv4 routes at peak in the future

2011-03-09 Thread Randy Bush
The implication of this statement would seem to be that the reason the routing tables are growing is due primarily to allocations and not deaggregation (e.g., for traffic engineering). Does anyone have any actual data to corroborate or refute this? Luca Cittadini, Wolfgang Mühlbauer, Steve

Re: ipv6 question

2011-03-09 Thread Karl Auer
On Wed, 2011-03-09 at 09:01 -0600, imNet Administrator wrote: Where are you pinging it from? also, the 2001:db8::/32 prefix is used for documentation purposes and might be handled differently by the TCP/IP stack. Works fine in Linux - I've been using it (in an isolated training room setup) for

Re: ipv6 question

2011-03-09 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 1299711449.2109.98.camel@karl, Karl Auer writes: On Wed, 2011-03-09 at 09:01 -0600, imNet Administrator wrote: Where are you pinging it from? also, the 2001:db8::/32 prefix is used for documentation purposes and might be handled differently by the TCP/IP stack. Works fine in

Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table size considerations

2011-03-09 Thread Chris Woodfield
I think this is the point where I get a shovel, a bullwhip and head over to the horse graveyard that is CAM optimization... -C On Mar 8, 2011, at 5:18 20PM, Chris Enger wrote: Our Brocade reps pointed us to the CER 2000 series, and they can do up to 512k v4 or up to 128k v6. With other

dhcp6 solicit

2011-03-09 Thread Jeroen van Aart
I was doing some packet scanning on one of my IPv6 enabled servers and I found traffic such as the following frequently (IPs slightly edited): 02:23:02.410360 IP6 fe80::ff78.546 ff02::2.547: dhcp6 solicit Not having done too much ipv6 packet scanning yet I am curious to know if this is a

Re: dhcp6 solicit

2011-03-09 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 18:20:12 PST, Jeroen van Aart said: I was doing some packet scanning on one of my IPv6 enabled servers and I found traffic such as the following frequently (IPs slightly edited): 02:23:02.410360 IP6 fe80::ff78.546 ff02::2.547: dhcp6 solicit The addresses are not mine,

RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-09 Thread George Bonser
-Original Message- From: Chris Woodfield [mailto:rek...@semihuman.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 6:11 PM To: Chris Enger Cc: 'jgood...@studio442.com.au'; 'nanog@nanog.org' Subject: Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations I think this is

Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-09 Thread Ulf Zimmermann
On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 07:00:57PM -0800, George Bonser wrote: -Original Message- From: Chris Woodfield [mailto:rek...@semihuman.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 6:11 PM To: Chris Enger Cc: 'jgood...@studio442.com.au'; 'nanog@nanog.org' Subject: Re: Internet Edge Router

Re: ipv6 question

2011-03-09 Thread Karl Auer
On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 11:43 +1100, Mark Andrews wrote: In message 1299711449.2109.98.camel@karl, Karl Auer writes: On Wed, 2011-03-09 at 09:01 -0600, imNet Administrator wrote: Where are you pinging it from? also, the 2001:db8::/32 prefix is used for documentation purposes and might be

RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-09 Thread George Bonser
No SNMP stats for virtual vlan interfaces and when asking Brocade about it, you get told it is too hard to program. You gotta be kiddin me Yeah, that is something that has been bugging me. No stats on ve interfaces. Or how they do vlan configurations. I have complained about that,

Long Distance Dark Fiber

2011-03-09 Thread nanog
Good Evening all. I got an odd and somewhat crazy request from our development group for a long haul OC48 connection for testing (they specifically said from their office in Utah to the east coast and back) with minimal jitter. They need to be able to run their own framing Sonet and WDM - don't