--- adr...@creative.net.au wrote:
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011, Jay Ashworth wrote:
(cough)multicast(cough)
But... but... how do we count the viewers, then?
With HTML cookies and AJAX, like everyone else[1].
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Can anyone suggest any open source DPI (deep packet inspection) projects?
I am working on various telco projects in emerging markets, but can't
quite justify the price for the bigger and more well known players.
:/
(Until then, I'll have to rely on some of the more well known Linux
and BSD
On 29 Apr 2011, at 03:26, Rob V wrote:
Not just that ... Youtube is apparently expecting 400 million (?!) viewers!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/zd/20110428/tc_zd/263745
The doomsayers are out with freshly painted signs ... the Internet will break
tomorrow morning! :-)
Must say the quality
On Apr 29, 2011, at 3:54 AM, Rogelio wrote:
Can anyone suggest any open source DPI (deep packet inspection) projects?
I'll recommend Bro-IDS (http://www.bro-ids.org/) as it's what I spend my days
working on. It's essentially a programming language for long term network
traffic monitoring
Can anyone suggest any open source DPI (deep packet inspection)
projects?
I'll recommend Bro-IDS (http://www.bro-ids.org/) as it's what I spend my
days working on. It's essentially a programming language for long term
network traffic monitoring which is focused on doing deep decoding of
Snort (http://www.snort.org/) is also a nice IDS. They provide paid and free
rules/signatures.
-k
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Raymond Burkholder r...@oneunified.netwrote:
Can anyone suggest any open source DPI (deep packet inspection)
projects?
I'll recommend Bro-IDS
How is this being done? I've looked at looked at PF_RING and TNAPI... is
there anything better out there?
--Kyle
On Apr 29, 2011, at 3:55 PM, Kyle Creyts wrote:
How is this being done? I've looked at looked at PF_RING and TNAPI... is
there anything better out there?
http://events.ccc.de/congress/2006/Fahrplan/attachments/1225-23c3-slides-av.pdf
That should give you some answers. :-)
-- Attilla
How is this being done? I've looked at looked at PF_RING and TNAPI... is
there anything better out there?
Those two (thanks to Luca) can get you most of the way there, but to
really hit the target you need dedicated kit like Endace (and a few
others) make. They basically do what was
On Fri, 29 Apr 2011, Michael Holstein wrote:
Those two (thanks to Luca) can get you most of the way there, but to
really hit the target you need dedicated kit like Endace (and a few
others) make. They basically do what was represented in the CCC slides
somebody else posted (FPGA with own
Might also take a look at Gigamon, Anue Systems, and similar vendors. It's
possible to use these switches to slice and dice traffic from a 10g input to
a farm of 1g tools for packet capture, ids, waf, content filtering etc.
Although there is a cost, it's usually cheaper than having to upgrade
- Original Message -
From: Ryan Malayter malay...@gmail.com
On Apr 28, 11:14 pm, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote:
(cough)multicast(cough)
But... but... how do we count the viewers, then?
Isn't the real problem with global multicast: How do we ultimately
bill the
I just wanted to pass on a huge thanks to the members of this list who gave
suggestions, and ultimately VZW's LERG Contact and the tech who contacted me
this morning and got the routing translation fixed. It once again proves
how valuable Nanog list membership can be in identifying the
Isn't the real problem with global multicast: How do we ultimately
bill the broadcaster for all that traffic amplification that happened
*inside* every other AS? It seems like you'd have to do per-packet
accounting at every router, and coordinate billing/reporting amongst
all providers that
- Original Message -
From: Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com
Isn't the real problem with global multicast: How do we ultimately
bill the broadcaster for all that traffic amplification that
happened
*inside* every other AS? It seems like you'd have to do per-packet
accounting at
On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 13:48:51 EDT, Jay Ashworth said:
Will they not complain about having their equipment utilization go up
with no recompense -- for something that is only of benefit to commercial
customers of some other entity?
Like their load didn't go up with no recompense this morning.
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com
Isn't the real problem with global multicast: How do we ultimately
bill the broadcaster for all that traffic amplification that
happened
*inside* every
On 29/04/11 14:04 -0400, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 13:48:51 EDT, Jay Ashworth said:
Will they not complain about having their equipment utilization go up
with no recompense -- for something that is only of benefit to commercial
customers of some other entity?
Like
On Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 01:48:51PM -0400, Jay Ashworth wrote:
Will they not complain about having their equipment utilization go up
with no recompense -- for something that is only of benefit to commercial
customers of some other entity?
Sorry, but are your eyeballs not already paying you for
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From: Simon Lockhart si...@slimey.org
On Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 01:48:51PM -0400, Jay Ashworth wrote:
Will they not complain about having their equipment utilization go up
with no recompense -- for something that is only of benefit to
commercial customers of some
On 4/29/11 10:12 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
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From: Ryan Malayter malay...@gmail.com
On Apr 28, 11:14 pm, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote:
(cough)multicast(cough)
But... but... how do we count the viewers, then?
Isn't the real problem with global multicast:
On Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 03:03:47PM -0400, Jay Ashworth wrote:
The real problem I see myself is that *the Mbone has to be pervasive* (or
mostly so) for this to be a worthwhile investment for providers.
What is missing is an adaptive client (be it flash, or HTML5) which will
transparently use
On 4/29/2011 2:47 PM, Dan White wrote:
On 29/04/11 14:04 -0400, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 13:48:51 EDT, Jay Ashworth said:
What's the break-even point, the number of streams being sent at once
where
multicasting it starts taking less resources than N unicast streams?
From: Jay Ashworth
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 10:13 AM
To: NANOG
Subject: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal
Wedding...)
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From: Ryan Malayter
On Apr 28, 11:14 pm, Jay Ashworth wrote:
(cough)multicast(cough)
But... but...
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Internet engineers are prone to try to solve this problem in favor of
the viewer, and their networks -- with their networks winning in case
of a push.
Should be easy enough on your subscriber ports to use igmp to see who
Delivering multicast to end users is fundamentally not hard. The
biggest issue seems to be with residential CPE (pretty much the same
problem as IPv6, really).
Well, more than that, since I don't really want my DSL pipe saturated
with TV that I'm not watching, you need some way for the CPE to
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Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 14:23:23 -0300
Subject: Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...)
From: Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com
To: Nanog nanog@nanog.org
Isn't the real problem with
Transfers of IPv4 address space beginning to heat up.
FYI,
/John
John Curran
President and CEO
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On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Joel Jaeggli joe...@bogus.com wrote:
On 4/29/11 10:12 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
It turns out that as a content provider you can unicast video delivery
without coordinating the admission of your content onto every edge
eyeball network on the planet. It's cheap
You've conflated my two points. That would tell the *carriers* who's
watching
what, but they probably don't care. I was talking about *the
providers*
knowing (think DRM and 3096 viewers online).
Cheers,
-- jra
It would be done the same way it is done currently with cable TV. Who
Well, more than that, since I don't really want my DSL pipe saturated
with TV that I'm not watching, you need some way for the CPE to tell
the ISP send me stream N
That is what igmp is for. Only send what I specifically request.
Imagine: multicast internet radio! Awesome!
I have a feeling streaming is going to stay unicast.
Multicast is a great technical solution in search of a good business
problem.
--
Tim:
Multicast is perfect for a live event. Unicast is best for on demand
viewing of something.
An event
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From: George Bonser gbon...@seven.com
Multicast is perfect for a live event. Unicast is best for on demand
viewing of something.
An event such as today's wedding, a conference viewed in real-time, a
sports event, etc. is well-suited for multicast.
Great. So,
On Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 05:40:59PM -0400, Jay Ashworth wrote:
Great. So, as I asked earlier (as yet unanswered):
I have in my hand an NTSC video cable and an XLR with audio. How do I hook
that to the mbone? :-)
Simple.
Go get yourself an encoder - VBrick, Envivio, Tandberg, etc, etc -
On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 10:48:51 -0700, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com
And that's the snap answer, yes. But the *load*, while admittedly
lessened over unicast, falls *mostly* to the carriers, who cannot anymore
bill for it,
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From: Simon Lockhart si...@slimey.org
I have in my hand an NTSC video cable and an XLR with audio. How do
I hook that to the mbone? :-)
Simple.
Go get yourself an encoder - VBrick, Envivio, Tandberg, etc, etc - there's
plenty out there, take your pick.
Original Message -
From: Tim Durack tdur...@gmail.com
Imagine: multicast internet radio! Awesome!
That would, indeed, be awesome; when everyone in my office was listening to
the royal wedding, there would be a *much* higher chance of them all being
in sync.
Cheers,
-- jra
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Great. So, as I asked earlier (as yet unanswered):
I have in my hand an NTSC video cable and an XLR with audio. How do I
hook
that to the mbone? :-)
Cheers,
-- jra
Might want to ask the folks at Silicon Valley Linux Users group, they used to
broadcast their meetings on the mbone,
Imagine: multicast internet radio! Awesome!
That would, indeed, be awesome; when everyone in my office was
listening to
the royal wedding, there would be a *much* higher chance of them all
being
in sync.
Cheers,
-- jra
Exactly. If more people/networks took advantage of multicast,
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From: david raistrick dr...@icantclick.org
1) As a consumer network (enterprise, home) - that case is VERY rare.
50 people consuming it at your house? Or at the office consuming the same
feed? (even at a 10k employee company, the rate of that is fairly low,
On Fri, 29 Apr 2011, Jay Ashworth wrote:
I'd expect it to be fairly common at colleges; possibly in companies,
ok, colleges I can buy.
Is it still this fragile in 2011?
It was in 2009, anyway.
And you haven't written the O'Reilly book yet... why? :-)
Because it's not an experience I
Daniel,
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Daniel Roesen d...@cluenet.de wrote:
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 05:51:25PM -0400, Jay Ashworth wrote:
Imagine: multicast internet radio! Awesome!
That would, indeed, be awesome; when everyone in my office was listening to
the royal wedding, there would
On Apr 29, 2011, at 3:44 PM, John Levine wrote:
Delivering multicast to end users is fundamentally not hard. The
biggest issue seems to be with residential CPE (pretty much the same
problem as IPv6, really).
Well, more than that, since I don't really want my DSL pipe saturated
with TV
On Apr 29, 2011, at 4:40 PM, Tim Durack wrote:
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Joel Jaeggli joe...@bogus.com wrote:
On 4/29/11 10:12 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
It turns out that as a content provider you can unicast video delivery
without coordinating the admission of your content onto every
On Apr 29, 2011, at 7:44 PM, Daniel Roesen wrote:
IP multicast was the only way for us to see what happened, live.
Unicast failed miserably.
I'll say that today with some providers offering streaming to customers iPad
and other types of devices, the problem isn't the capacity to the
Subject: RE: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone?
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 15:15:42 -0700
From: George Bonser gbon...@seven.com
Imagine: multicast internet radio! Awesome!
That would, indeed, be awesome; when everyone in my office was
listening to the royal wedding, there would
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