Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone?

2011-04-30 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2011-04-29 18:34 -0400), david raistrick wrote: 3) as an a midstream network provider I have almost no motivation to support this. Sure, my network usage would be reduced - but I (more or less simplified here, but) make my living on each bit of traffic I carry - if I offered a way for

Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...)

2011-04-30 Thread Jeffrey S. Young
On 30/04/2011, at 5:44 AM, John Levine jo...@iecc.com wrote: Delivering multicast to end users is fundamentally not hard. The biggest issue seems to be with residential CPE (pretty much the same problem as IPv6, really). Well, more than that, since I don't really want my DSL pipe saturated

Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...)

2011-04-30 Thread Lamar Owen
On Friday, April 29, 2011 03:37:04 PM Jay Ashworth wrote: You've conflated my two points. That would tell the *carriers* who's watching what, but they probably don't care. I was talking about *the providers* knowing (think DRM and 3096 viewers online). And then if there's music, the

Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...)

2011-04-30 Thread Lamar Owen
On Friday, April 29, 2011 05:16:51 PM George Bonser wrote: But if broadcast events over the internet are treated the same as broadcast events over RF, who cares? They're not; that's the problem. For the US, at least, the Copyright Office of the Library of Congress has statutory authority in

Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone?

2011-04-30 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Daniel Roesen d...@cluenet.de said: That reminds me of 9/11. When the tragic event unfolded, we sat in the office. News made the rounds verbally, and people started looking for streaming services at their personal desks (no TVs around). People pretty quickly gave up trying to

Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...)

2011-04-30 Thread Antonio Querubin
On Sat, 30 Apr 2011, Chris Adams wrote: I can also see how this affects the ISPs providing bandwidth to the content providers. In our colo for example, we rate-limit customers to the paid-for bandwidth at the colo port. With multicast however, they could use significantly more bandwidth,

Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...)

2011-04-30 Thread Octavio Alvarez
On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 10:34:15 -0700, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: Once upon a time, Octavio Alvarez alvar...@alvarezp.ods.org said: So the first user in a router tunes to a multicast stream. Consumption for the ISP and all the routers in the chain to the source: same as if it were a

Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone?

2011-04-30 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 19:57:42 CDT, Robert Bonomi said: There's a layer 9 (or is it 10? wry grin -- required for legal reasons) answer for that. This layer goes to 11... :) pgpaSdXsuQH8i.pgp Description: PGP signature