RE: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

You mean IP TV content products from folks such as SES Americom' IP-PRIME or IPTV Americas or EchoStart IP TV or Intelsat? -Original Message- From: Holmes,David A [mailto:dhol...@mwdh2o.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 3:01 PM To: Michael Holstein; Roy Cc: nanog Subject: RE: Netflix Is

Re: Had an idea - looking for a math buff to tell me if it's possible

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 10:42 PM, Heath Jones wrote: > Example: > I want to send you the number > 1. > The MD5 hash of this is f59a3651eafa7c4dbbb547dd7d6b41d7. > I generate data 0,1,2,3,4,5.. all the way up > to

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

>> Right now I see something like ool-6038bdcc.static.optonline.net for one >> of our servers, how does this >> mean anything to anyone else? > > Does http://وزارة-الأتصالات.مصر/ mean more to you? > > Or http://xn--4gbrim.xnymcbaaajlc6dj7bxne2c.xn--wgbh1c which is what it > translates to in you

NOT Buckaroo (WAS: Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company)

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 07:45:44AM +1000, Jeffrey S. Young wrote: > No matter where you go, there you are. > [--anon?] Oliver's Law of Location Kinda usurped by Buckaroo Banzai in the movie by the same name. It always annoys me when attributed to that character. Go back to your regular programm

Re: IPv6 Conventions

On May 18, 2011, at 8:05 AM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > On 18 mei 2011, at 16:44, Todd Snyder wrote: > >> 1) Is there a general convention about addresses for DNS servers? NTP >> servers? dhcp servers? > > There are people who do stuff like blah::53 for DNS, or blah:193:77:81:20 for > a mac

Re: Had an idea - looking for a math buff to tell me if it's possible with today's technology.

Ha! I was wondering this the whole time - if the size of the counter would make it a zero sum game. That sux! :) On 19 May 2011 03:52, Brett Frankenberger wrote: > On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 12:26:26AM +0100, Heath Jones wrote: > > I wonder if this is possible: > > > > - Take a hash of the original

Re: Had an idea - looking for a math buff to tell me if it's possible with today's technology.

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 12:26:26AM +0100, Heath Jones wrote: > I wonder if this is possible: > > - Take a hash of the original file. Keep a counter. > - Generate data in some sequential method on sender side (for example simply > starting at 0 and iterating until you generate the same as the origi

Re: Had an idea - looking for a math buff to tell me if it's possible

> My point here is it IS possible to transfer just a hash and counter value > and effectively generate identical data at the remote end. Nope. Let's use phone numbers as an example. I want to send you the phone > number 540-231-6000. The hash function is "number mod 17 plus 5". So > 5402316000

Re: Had an idea - looking for a math buff to tell me if it's possible

On Thu, 19 May 2011 01:01:43 BST, Heath Jones said: > My point here is it IS possible to transfer just a hash and counter value > and effectively generate identical data at the remote end. Nope. Let's use phone numbers as an example. I want to send you the phone number 540-231-6000. The hash fu

Re: Had an idea - looking for a math buff to tell me if it's possible with today's technology.

"Compression" is one result. But this is sometimes referred to as the "inverse problem": Given a set of data tell me a function which fits it (or fits it to some tolerance.) It's important in statistics and all kinds of data analyses. Another area is fourier transforms which basically sums sine

Re: Had an idea - looking for a math buff to tell me if it's possible with today's technology.

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Heath Jones wrote: > My point here is it IS possible to transfer just a hash and counter value > and effectively generate identical data at the remote end. > The limit that will be hit is the difficulty of generating and comparing > hash values with current process

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

On 18/05/11 5:10 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: Sure, but I'm guessing that something like that 80% of the content that 80% of people watch *is* available on some satellite/cable channel. Yes, but most isn't available "over the air" with rabbit ears and a DVR. One of

Re: Had an idea - looking for a math buff to tell me if it's possible with today's technology.

try itu v.42bis Iridescent iPhone +1 972 757 8894 On May 18, 2011, at 15:07, Landon Stewart wrote: > Lets say you had a file that was 1,000,000,000 characters consisting of > 8,000,000,000bits. What if instead of transferring that file through the > interwebs you transmitted a mathematica

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

On May 17, 2011, at 8:55 AM, Matthew Kaufman wrote: > On 5/17/2011 5:25 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: >> >> My point was that at least in IPv6, you can reach your boxes whereas with >> IPv4, you couldn't reach them at all (unless you used a rendezvous service >> and preconfigured stuff). > > Actually

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

> > >> Sure, but I'm guessing that something like that 80% of the content that >> 80% of people watch *is* available on some satellite/cable channel. >> > > Yes, but most isn't available "over the air" with rabbit ears and a DVR. > One of the big appeals of Netflix is the $8/month for all you can

Re: Had an idea - looking for a math buff to tell me if it's possible

Why is this on nanog? Yes it is "possible". But the CPU use and time will be absurd compared to just sending the data across the network. I would say attempting this with even a small file will end up laughable. Passwords are just several bytes and have significant lifetimes. -- Justin Cook On

Re: Had an idea - looking for a math buff to tell me if it's possible

On Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 6:01 PM, Heath Jones wrote: > My point here is it IS possible to transfer just a hash and counter value > and effectively generate identical data at the remote end. > The limit that will be hit is the difficulty of generating and comparing > hash values with current

Re: Had an idea - looking for a math buff to tell me if it's possible with today's technology.

My point here is it IS possible to transfer just a hash and counter value and effectively generate identical data at the remote end. The limit that will be hit is the difficulty of generating and comparing hash values with current processing power. I'm proposing iterating through generated data up

Re: Had an idea - looking for a math buff to tell me if it's possible

My point here is it IS possible to transfer just a hash and counter value and effectively generate identical data at the remote end. The limit that will be hit is the difficulty of generating and comparing hash values with current processing power. I'm proposing iterating through generated data up

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

On 18/05/11 4:42 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 7:35 PM, JC Dill > wrote: On 18/05/11 1:13 PM, Cameron Byrne wrote: It's not. These people need a pair of rabbit ears and a DVR. Roughly 90% of the content I'm interested in w

Re: Had an idea - looking for a math buff to tell me if it's possible with today's technology.

On Thu, 19 May 2011 00:26:26 BST, Heath Jones said: > I wonder if this is possible: > > - Take a hash of the original file. Keep a counter. > - Generate data in some sequential method on sender side (for example simply > starting at 0 and iterating until you generate the same as the original > dat

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 7:35 PM, JC Dill wrote: > On 18/05/11 1:13 PM, Cameron Byrne wrote: > >> >> It's not. These people need a pair of rabbit ears and a DVR. >> > > Roughly 90% of the content I'm interested in watching is not available over > the air. E.g. Comedy Central, CNN, Discovery, Sh

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

On 18/05/11 1:13 PM, Cameron Byrne wrote: It's not. These people need a pair of rabbit ears and a DVR. Roughly 90% of the content I'm interested in watching is not available over the air. E.g. Comedy Central, CNN, Discovery, Showtime/HBO, etc. jc

Re: Had an idea - looking for a math buff to tell me if it's possible with today's technology.

I wonder if this is possible: - Take a hash of the original file. Keep a counter. - Generate data in some sequential method on sender side (for example simply starting at 0 and iterating until you generate the same as the original data) - Each time you iterate, take the hash of the generated data.

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

- Original Message - > From: "Jeffrey S. Young" > > Somebody should invent a a way to stream groups of shows simultaneously > > and just arrange for people to watch the desired stream at a particular > > time. Heck, maybe even do it wireless. > > > > problem solved, right? > > Those who

RE: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

There was also "Planet Connect" years ago that delivered full Usenet (128K worth) along with all my Fidonet BBS updates too .. I think I just dated myself ;) We still have an old Cidera system on a rooftop that nobody has taken down yet ... Paul -Original Message- From: Jon Lewis [mailt

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

On Wed, 18 May 2011, Brielle Bruns wrote: If someone hadn't mentioned already, there used to be a usenet provider that delivered a full feed via Satellite. Anything is feasible, just have to find people who actually want/need it and a provider that isn't blind to long term benefits. Skycach

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

On 19/05/2011, at 6:01 AM, "Holmes,David A" wrote: > I think this shows the need for an Internet-wide multicast implementation. > Although I can recall working on a product that delivered satellite multicast > streams (with each multicast group corresponding to individual TV stations) > to t

Re: Had an idea - looking for a math buff to tell me if it's possiblewith today's technology.

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 1:44 PM, George Bonser wrote: > > Congratulations. You have just invented compression. > Woot. -- Landon Stewart SuperbHosting.Net by Superb Internet Corp. Toll Free (US/Canada): 888-354-6128 x 4199 Direct: 206-438-5879 Web hosting and more "Ahead of the Rest": http:/

Re: Had an idea - looking for a math buff to tell me if it's possible

> > > MD5 compression is lossy in this context. Given big enough files > you're going to start seeing hash collisions. > > > Actually, for a n-bit hash, I can guarantee to find collisions in the universe of files just n+1 bits in size :)

Re: Had an idea - looking for a math buff to tell me if it's possible with today's technology.

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Joe Loiacono wrote: > You also need to include Silver Peak. > only if you like random failures.

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Brielle Bruns wrote: > On 5/18/11 2:33 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: >> >> If we're really talking efficiency, the "popular" stuff should probably >> stream out over the bird of your choice (directv, etc) because it's hard >> to >> beat millions of dishes and dvr's and no

Re: Had an idea - looking for a math buff to tell me if it's possible with today's technology.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 18, 2011, at 4:03 PM, Leo Bicknell wrote: > Bah, you should include the solution, it's so trivial. > > Generate all possible files and then do an index lookup on the MD5. > It's a little CPU heavy, but darn simple to code. Isn't this essentia

Re: Had an idea - looking for a math buff to tell me if it's possible with today's technology.

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Michael Holstein > wrote: >> >>> Just a weird idea I had.  If it's a good idea then please consider this >>> intellectual property. >>> >> >> It's easy .. the zeros are fatter than the ones. > > no no no

Re: user-relative names - was:[Re: Yahoo and IPv6]

On May 17, 2011, at 10:30 13PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > > On May 17, 2011, at 6:09 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: > >> --- joe...@bogus.com wrote: >> From: Joel Jaeggli >> On May 17, 2011, at 4:30 PM, Scott Brim wrote: >>> On May 17, 2011 6:26 PM, wrote: On Tue, 17 May 2011 15:04:19 PDT, Scott Wee

Re: Had an idea - looking for a math buff to tell me if it's possible

> no no no.. it's simply, since the OP posited a math solution, md5. > ship the size of file + hash, compute file on the other side. All > files can be moved anywhere regardless of the size of the file in a > single packet. MD5 compression is lossy in this context. Given big enough files you're g

Re: Had an idea - looking for a math buff to tell me if it's possible with today's technology.

In a message written on Wed, May 18, 2011 at 04:33:34PM -0400, Christopher Morrow wrote: > no no no.. it's simply, since the OP posited a math solution, md5. > ship the size of file + hash, compute file on the other side. All > files can be moved anywhere regardless of the size of the file in a >

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Jeroen van Aart wrote: > Joe Abley wrote: >> >> Or perhaps even some kind of new technology that is independent of the >> Internet! Imagine such futuristic ideas as solar-powered spacecraft in orbit >> around the planet bouncing content back across massive areas so

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

- Original Message - > From: "Joel Jaeggli" > On May 18, 2011, at 1:01 PM, Holmes,David A wrote: > > I think this shows the need for an Internet-wide multicast > > implementation. > > there's a pretty longtailed distribution on what people might chose to > stream. static content is ameni

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

On 5/18/11 2:33 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: If we're really talking efficiency, the "popular" stuff should probably stream out over the bird of your choice (directv, etc) because it's hard to beat millions of dishes and dvr's and no cable plant. Then what won't fit on the bird goes unicast IP from th

RE: Had an idea - looking for a math buff to tell me if it's possible with today's technology.

"Stefan Fouant" wrote on 05/18/2011 04:19:26 PM: > > Lets say you had a file that was 1,000,000,000 characters consisting of > > http://www.riverbed.com/us/ > http://www.juniper.net/us/en/products-services/application-acceleration/wxc- > series/ > http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps5680/

RE: Had an idea - looking for a math buff to tell me if it's possiblewith today's technology.

> -Original Message- > From: Landon Stewart [mailto:lstew...@superb.net] > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 1:08 PM > To: nanog > Subject: Had an idea - looking for a math buff to tell me if it's > possiblewith today's technology. > > Lets say you had a file that was 1,000,000,000 character

Re: Had an idea - looking for a math buff to tell me if it's possible with today's technology.

The concept is called fractals where you can compress the image and send the values and recreate the image. There was a body of work on the subject, I would say in the mid to late eighties where two Georgia Tech professors started a company doing it. John (ISDN) Lee On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 4:07 P

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

>> for some of us, the thing that is wonderful about netflix is the long >> tail.  my tastes are a sigma or three out. > in all seriousness, if the content was available and you could request > it be streamed to you 'sometime tomorrow' or 'sometime before Friday', > you and the other people like yo

Re: Had an idea - looking for a math buff to tell me if it's possible with today's technology.

On Wed, 18 May 2011 13:07:32 -0700 Landon Stewart wrote: > Lets say you had a file that was 1,000,000,000 characters consisting > of 8,000,000,000bits. What if instead of transferring that file > through the interwebs you transmitted a mathematical equation to tell > a computer on the other end

Re: Had an idea - looking for a math buff to tell me if it's possible with today's technology.

On Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: > On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Landon Stewart wrote: > > > Lets say you had a file that was 1,000,000,000 characters consisting of > > 8,000,000,000bits. What if instead of transferring that file through the > > interwebs you transmi

Re: Had an idea - looking for a math buff to tell me if it's possible with today's technology.

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Michael Holstein wrote: > >> Just a weird idea I had.  If it's a good idea then please consider this >> intellectual property. >> > > It's easy .. the zeros are fatter than the ones. no no no.. it's simply, since the OP posited a math solution, md5. ship the size

Re: Had an idea - looking for a math buff to tell me if it's possible with today's technology.

On May 18, 2011, at 4:07 32PM, Landon Stewart wrote: > Lets say you had a file that was 1,000,000,000 characters consisting of > 8,000,000,000bits. What if instead of transferring that file through the > interwebs you transmitted a mathematical equation to tell a computer on the > other end how

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

If we're really talking efficiency, the "popular" stuff should probably stream out over the bird of your choice (directv, etc) because it's hard to beat millions of dishes and dvr's and no cable plant. Then what won't fit on the bird goes unicast IP from the nearest CDN. Kind of like the "on dem

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > > On May 18, 2011, at 1:01 PM, Holmes,David A wrote: > >> I think this shows the need for an Internet-wide multicast implementation. > > there's a pretty longtailed distribution on what people might chose to > stream. static content is amenia

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Randy Bush wrote: >> why not permit your users to subscribe to shows/instances, stream them >> on-demand for viewing later... and leave truly live content >> (news/sports/etc) as is, with only the ability to pause/rewind? >> >> how is this different from broadcast

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

Joe Abley wrote: Or perhaps even some kind of new technology that is independent of the Internet! Imagine such futuristic ideas as solar-powered spacecraft in orbit around the planet bouncing content back across massive areas so that everybody can pick them up at once. Crazy stuff. You mean

Re: Had an idea - looking for a math buff to tell me if it's possible with today's technology.

Wildly off-topic for the NANOG mailing-list, as it has -zero- relevance to 'network operations' > Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 13:07:32 -0700 > Subject: Had an idea - looking for a math buff to tell me if it's possible > with today's technology. > From: Landon Stewart > To: nanog > > Lets say

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

- Original Message - > From: "Christopher Morrow" > why not permit your users to subscribe to shows/instances, stream them > on-demand for viewing later... and leave truly live content > (news/sports/etc) as is, with only the ability to pause/rewind? > > how is this different from broadc

RE: Had an idea - looking for a math buff to tell me if it's possible with today's technology.

> -Original Message- > From: Landon Stewart [mailto:lstew...@superb.net] > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 4:08 PM > To: nanog > Subject: Had an idea - looking for a math buff to tell me if it's > possible with today's technology. > > Lets say you had a file that was 1,000,000,000 characters

Re: Had an idea - looking for a math buff to tell me if it's possible with today's technology.

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Landon Stewart wrote: > Lets say you had a file that was 1,000,000,000 characters consisting of > 8,000,000,000bits. What if instead of transferring that file through the > interwebs you transmitted a mathematical equation to tell a computer on the > other end ho

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

On May 18, 2011, at 1:01 PM, Holmes,David A wrote: > I think this shows the need for an Internet-wide multicast implementation. there's a pretty longtailed distribution on what people might chose to stream. static content is ameniable to distribution via cdn (which is frankly a degenerate for

Re: Had an idea - looking for a math buff to tell me if it's possible with today's technology.

> Just a weird idea I had. If it's a good idea then please consider this > intellectual property. > It's easy .. the zeros are fatter than the ones. http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2004-12-09/ ~Mike.

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

On 2011-05-18, at 16:09, Dorn Hetzel wrote: > they can capture popular programs at the time of multicast for later > viewing. Whether this is better than capturing the same programs over a > broadcast medium for later playback, I don't know... ... or a peer to peer medium, which is (as I unders

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

> why not permit your users to subscribe to shows/instances, stream them > on-demand for viewing later... and leave truly live content > (news/sports/etc) as is, with only the ability to pause/rewind? > > how is this different from broadcast tv today though? for some of us, the thing that is wond

Re: Had an idea - looking for a math buff to tell me if it's possible with today's technology.

That's basically what compression is. Except rarely (read: never) does your Real Data (tm) fit just one equation, hence the various compression algorithms that look for patterns etc etc. -J On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Landon Stewart wrote: > Lets say you had a file that was 1,000,000,000 c

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Landon Stewart wrote: >> There was a lengthy discussion about that on NANOG a week or so ago.  I >> don't claim to understand all facets of multicast but it could be a sort of >> way to operate "tv stati

Re: Had an idea - looking for a math buff to tell me if it's possible with today's technology.

We call that "Compression." -j On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Landon Stewart wrote: > Lets say you had a file that was 1,000,000,000 characters consisting of > 8,000,000,000bits. What if instead of transferring that file through the > interwebs you transmitted a mathematical equation to tel

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

> > > I don't see how multicast necasarily solves the netflix on-demand video > problem. you have millions of users streaming different content at different > times. multicast is great for the world cup but how does it solve the video > on demand problem? > > I suppose in theory if you have tivo-li

Had an idea - looking for a math buff to tell me if it's possible with today's technology.

Lets say you had a file that was 1,000,000,000 characters consisting of 8,000,000,000bits. What if instead of transferring that file through the interwebs you transmitted a mathematical equation to tell a computer on the other end how to *construct* that file. First you'd feed the file into a cru

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

On 2011-05-18, at 16:01, Holmes,David A wrote: > I think this shows the need for an Internet-wide multicast implementation. Or perhaps even some kind of new technology that is independent of the Internet! Imagine such futuristic ideas as solar-powered spacecraft in orbit around the planet boun

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

On 05/18/2011 04:01 PM, Holmes,David A wrote: I think this shows the need for an Internet-wide multicast implementation. Although I can recall working on a product that delivered satellite multicast streams (with each multicast group corresponding to individual TV stations) to telco CO's. This

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Landon Stewart wrote: > There was a lengthy discussion about that on NANOG a week or so ago.  I > don't claim to understand all facets of multicast but it could be a sort of > way to operate "tv station" type scheduled programming for streaming media. > There's no

RE: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

I think this shows the need for an Internet-wide multicast implementation. Although I can recall working on a product that delivered satellite multicast streams (with each multicast group corresponding to individual TV stations) to telco CO's. This enabled the telco to implement multicast at the

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Michael Holstein < michael.holst...@csuohio.edu> wrote: > > > http://e.businessinsider.com/public/184962 > > > > Somebody should invent a a way to stream groups of shows simultaneously > and just arrange for people to watch the desired stream at a particular > tim

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

> http://e.businessinsider.com/public/184962 > Somebody should invent a a way to stream groups of shows simultaneously and just arrange for people to watch the desired stream at a particular time. Heck, maybe even do it wireless. problem solved, right? Cheers, Michael Holstein Cleveland State

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

Paul Vixie wrote: time in Nicaragua he said that he has a lot of days like this and he'd like more work to be possible when only local connectivity was available. Compelling stuff. Pity there's no global market for localized services or we'd already have it. Nevertheless this must and will get

Re: Experience with Open Source load balancers?

We're using both an F5 BigIP as well as Nginx (open source software) in a production environment. They both have their merits, but when we recently came under some advanced DDoSes (slowloris, slow POST, and more), we couldn't process certain types of layer 7 insepction/modification because it was

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

Steve Clark wrote: This is all very confusing to me. How are meaningful names going to assigned automatically? Right now I see something like ool-6038bdcc.static.optonline.net for one of our servers, how does this mean anything to anyone else? Does http://وزارة-الأتصالات.مصر/ mean more to you

Re: Experience with Open Source load balancers?

> > Recommend: F5 and Citrix Netscaler. If you are looking to combine your L7 FW > into your LB then you might lean towards NetScaler. If you are looking at > seperating those duties you can look at F5. IRules (F5) are the bomb. Except that under (Mozilla) load, Netscaler fell apart. F5, at t

Re: IPv6 Conventions

> 1) Is there a general convention about addresses for DNS servers? NTP > servers? dhcp servers? DNS server addresses should be short and easy to tape, as already mentioned. > 2) Are we tending to use different IPs for each service on a device? In many cases yes - because that makes it possible

Re: Experience with Open Source load balancers?

I've worked with everything over the years. BigIP, CSS, CSM, ACE (blows), NetScaler, say when. I've been thru a few RFPs and bake offs and also evaluated open source options. 1. If you are looking for simple round robin load balancing with decent load capabilities then there are several open sourc

Re: IPv6 Conventions

On May 18, 2011 8:07 AM, "Iljitsch van Beijnum" wrote: > > On 18 mei 2011, at 16:44, Todd Snyder wrote: > > > 1) Is there a general convention about addresses for DNS servers? NTP > > servers? dhcp servers? > > There are people who do stuff like blah::53 for DNS, or blah:193:77:81:20 for a machine

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than AnyOther Company

On 18 mei 2011, at 12:06, Leigh Porter wrote: > Well it depends if Netflix pay for the bandwidth they use or if they get > it all for free with non settlement peering. The whole point of peering is that both sides benefit. A bit like one bringing the traffic to the half way point and the other t

Re: IPv6 Conventions

On 18 mei 2011, at 16:44, Todd Snyder wrote: > 1) Is there a general convention about addresses for DNS servers? NTP > servers? dhcp servers? There are people who do stuff like blah::53 for DNS, or blah:193:77:81:20 for a machine that has IPv4 address 193.177.81.20. For the DNS, I always recomm

Re: IPv6 Conventions

On 2011-May-18 16:44, Todd Snyder wrote: > As I start working more and more with IPv6 and find myself having to address > services, I am wondering if there are any sort of written or unwritten > 'conventions'/best practices that are being adopted about how to address > devices/servers/services. >

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

- Original Message - > From: "Randy Bush" > > Since a good number of us get paid for delivering bits, isn't this a > > good thing? > > at layer eight, having a single very large customer can be a source of > unhappy surprises. I have first hand experience, having been laid off from my l

IPv6 Conventions

As I start working more and more with IPv6 and find myself having to address services, I am wondering if there are any sort of written or unwritten 'conventions'/best practices that are being adopted about how to address devices/servers/services. Specifically: 1) Is there a general convention abo

Re: blocking unwanted traffic from hitting gateway

On May 18, 2011, at 5:42 AM, Rogelio wrote: > I've got about 1000 people hammering a Linux gateway with http > requests, but only about 150 of them are authenticated users for the > ISP. > > Once someone authenticates, then I want their traffic to pass through > okay. But if they're not an authe

Re: blocking unwanted traffic from hitting gateway

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 09:42:03AM -0300, Rogelio wrote: > I've got about 1000 people hammering a Linux gateway with http > requests, but only about 150 of them are authenticated users for the > ISP. Are you the ISP, or someone else? Why is the gateway caring that the requests are HTTP? Is it al

Re: blocking unwanted traffic from hitting gateway

On May 18, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Rogelio wrote: > This solution would need to be tied into the authentication services so > authenticated users hit the gateway. So the attackers can just hammer the authentication subsystem and take it down, instead? ;> By going the 'authentication' route in the

blocking unwanted traffic from hitting gateway

I've got about 1000 people hammering a Linux gateway with http requests, but only about 150 of them are authenticated users for the ISP. Once someone authenticates, then I want their traffic to pass through okay. But if they're not an authenticated user, I would like to ideally block those http r

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

On 5/18/11 2:36 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > at layer eight, having a single very large customer can be a source of > unhappy surprises. Heh- no matter what layers one through seven are...

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

> Since a good number of us get paid for delivering bits, isn't this a > good thing? at layer eight, having a single very large customer can be a source of unhappy surprises. randy

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Randy Bush wrote: > > another view might be that netflix's customers are eating the bandwidth > > randy > One of the UKs large residential ISPs publishes what their customers use bandwidth for at http://www.talktalkmembers.com/content/view/154/159/ "Streaming prot

Re: MITM attacks or the Half/Circuit model - was Netflix Is Eating

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 12:32:49PM +0200, Phil Regnauld wrote: > Leigh Porter (leigh.porter) writes: > > > > Well it depends if Netflix pay for the bandwidth they use > > You mean, customers have to pay for the bandwidth they use. > I'm sure NetFlix is paying *their* network and other

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than AnyOther Company

Leigh Porter (leigh.porter) writes: > > Well it depends if Netflix pay for the bandwidth they use You mean, customers have to pay for the bandwidth they use. I'm sure NetFlix is paying *their* network and other transit providers for outgoing bandwidth they consume. > or i

RE: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than AnyOther Company

> -Original Message- > From: Carl Rosevear [mailto:crosev...@skytap.com] > > "Eating Up" sounds so overweight and unhealthy. Since a good number > of us get paid for delivering bits, isn't this a good thing? Always > glad to see bits and dollars flowing into the Internet, personally. >

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

"Eating Up" sounds so overweight and unhealthy. Since a good number of us get paid for delivering bits, isn't this a good thing? Always glad to see bits and dollars flowing into the Internet, personally. However must express severe dissatisfaction with the topic of the thread a while ago referenc