Re: What do you think about the Juniper MX line?

2011-06-26 Thread Richard Patterson
We've deployed the MX480s as PEs in multiple countries, and have been pretty damn happy with them for the most part. Any issues we've seen (largely around interface counters/statistics etc) can be chalked up to an older JunOS version that we're running. The CLI is shiny, and easy to use, and

Re: Wacky Weekend: NERC to relax power grid frequency strictures

2011-06-26 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 03:32:09PM -0700, Seth Mattinen wrote: Most of these come in open, delayed, or closed transition models: http://www.gedigitalenergy.com/powerquality/ATSHome.htm I think we're missing something, which is where these ATS's are installed. I don't

Re: Wacky Weekend: NERC to relax power grid frequency strictures

2011-06-26 Thread Jussi Peltola
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 05:27:10AM -0700, Leo Bicknell wrote: It's not that you couldn't install a closed transition ATS in the ATS 1a/1b location from an electrical point of view, but I don't think codes, power companies, or common sense make it a good idea. As others have pointed out, the

RE: Wacky Weekend: NERC to relax power grid frequency strictures

2011-06-26 Thread Alex Rubenstein
It makes little sense to sync to the grid when the generator is only used when the grid is down - and unless you run your generators 24/7 your UPS will have to make up for the comparatively long time it takes for the generator to start, so it's rather useless to sync the generator when the

RE: Wacky Weekend: NERC to relax power grid frequency strictures

2011-06-26 Thread Alex Rubenstein
I think we're missing something, which is where these ATS's are installed. I don't think most utilities allow (largeish) ATS's to do a closed transition from a genset to the utility grid, but I may be wrong. There may be other ATS's in your facility that do a closed transition though. For

RE: Wacky Weekend: NERC to relax power grid frequency strictures

2011-06-26 Thread Matthew Huff
Another couple of reasons to use a delayed transition ATS: 1) Motor lock. Delays on HVAC equipment never get triggered if the system never goes offline. Having a correct open period allows the motors to spin down, and start back up on the delays that are programmed keeping them from being

Re: Wacky Weekend: NERC to relax power grid frequency strictures

2011-06-26 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Michael DeMan na...@deman.com It is my understanding also that most commercial grade gensets have built into the ATS logic that when utility power comesback online, that the transfer back to utility power is coordinated with the ATS driving the generator

Re: Wacky Weekend: NERC to relax power grid frequency strictures

2011-06-26 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Jeff Wheeler j...@inconcepts.biz On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 12:23 AM, Alex Rubenstein a...@corp.nac.net wrote: At least here in JCPL territory (northern NJ), closed transition is frowned upon. Too much risk, they think. They are correct, really, but the

Re: Wacky Weekend: NERC to relax power grid frequency strictures

2011-06-26 Thread Brandon Butterworth
It makes little sense to sync to the grid when the generator is only used when the grid is down I don't know what large DC do but at our large sites we normally get power cheaper in exchange for a load shed agreement. When we got the call we ran some/all of the load on generator so the grid

Re: Wacky Weekend: NERC to relax power grid frequency strictures

2011-06-26 Thread Ingo Flaschberger
Take a guess what the datacenter our equipment is currently hosted in uses. Yet another reason to be glad of a datacenter move that's coming up. Why can't we just all use DC and be happy? motors don't produce DC? dc generators produce dc. tesla vs edison? human safe dc voltage requires

RE: Wacky Weekend: NERC to relax power grid frequency strictures

2011-06-26 Thread Ingo Flaschberger
2) Allowing transformer fields to collapse. Even in phase, without a delayed transition ATS you can end up with a partially collapsed transformer field with a new field being created at non-ground state. This can cause a transient back wave that can snap circuit breakers. Yep, this one

Re: Wacky Weekend: NERC to relax power grid frequency strictures [OT]

2011-06-26 Thread Jussi Peltola
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 11:36:24PM +0200, Ingo Flaschberger wrote: but transforming is not easy. ac/ac transformers are easy tu build and very immune against lightning strikes - inverter systems are not. Switching DC is also problematic since there is no zero crossing to extinguish the arc.

Re: Wacky Weekend: NERC to relax power grid frequency strictures

2011-06-26 Thread Pete Carah
On 06/26/2011 05:43 PM, Ingo Flaschberger wrote: 2) Allowing transformer fields to collapse. Even in phase, without a delayed transition ATS you can end up with a partially collapsed transformer field with a new field being created at non-ground state. This can cause a transient back wave that

Re: Wacky Weekend: NERC to relax power grid frequency strictures [OT]

2011-06-26 Thread Pete Carah
On 06/26/2011 05:55 PM, Jussi Peltola wrote: On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 11:36:24PM +0200, Ingo Flaschberger wrote: but transforming is not easy. ac/ac transformers are easy tu build and very immune against lightning strikes - inverter systems are not. Switching DC is also problematic since

Re: Wacky Weekend: NERC to relax power grid frequency strictures

2011-06-26 Thread Gary Wardell
Hi, Yes, transforming DC is not easy. However, DC works good at long haul transmission because a lot of energy is lost in the revers EMF generated by AC a several hundred volts. Some years ago a high voltage DC line was constructed between Oregon and California to deliver power to

Re: Wacky Weekend: NERC to relax power grid frequency strictures

2011-06-26 Thread Jussi Peltola
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 06:46:09PM -0400, Pete Carah wrote: HVAC compressors have their own problems; once fully stopped you have to wait for the liquid to clear the compressor before restarting, or have LOTS of torque (like a car unit) available (and a supply of new belts :-) [begin OT

website in ipv6

2011-06-26 Thread Deric Kwok
Hi all I am trying to configure website for testing ipv6 Just wander how internet users eg: DSL users can visit this website and any people can access this website over the world Thank you

Re: website in ipv6

2011-06-26 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Sun, 26 Jun 2011, Deric Kwok wrote: I am trying to configure website for testing ipv6 Just wander how internet users eg: DSL users can visit this website and any people can access this website over the world 1. Your web server (operating system, too) needs to be IPv6 enabled. 2. You

Re: website in ipv6

2011-06-26 Thread Mark Andrews
In message banlktikzmcshaxffwq2pidfpkxctqtr...@mail.gmail.com, Deric Kwok wr ites: Hi all I am trying to configure website for testing ipv6 Just wander how internet users eg: DSL users can visit this website and any people can access this website over the world Thank you About 10-6%

Re: website in ipv6

2011-06-26 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 20110627002625.4c8531137...@drugs.dv.isc.org, Mark Andrews writes : In message banlktikzmcshaxffwq2pidfpkxctqtr...@mail.gmail.com, Deric Kwok wr ites: Hi all I am trying to configure website for testing ipv6 Just wander how internet users eg: DSL users can visit this

Re: AS and advertisen questions

2011-06-26 Thread Tony Tauber
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 9:39 PM, Joel Jaeggli joe...@bogus.com wrote: On Jun 25, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Deric Kwok wrote: Can we use same AS to advertise different networks in different location? Assuming you want the two instances to be able talk to each other you just have to relax loop