Re: vyatta for bgp

2011-09-13 Thread Tom Hill
On Mon, 2011-09-12 at 15:41 -0400, Jared Geiger wrote: There was a bug where you couldn't use two IPv4 peers and then add IPv6. I haven't tested the newest versions yet to see if it still exists. Works great for two IPv4 peers. Discussion between developers on bugfixes can often be seen in

BGP Communities for H.E. and Deltacom?

2011-09-13 Thread Graham Wooden
Hi there, Any one know what are the acceptable BGP communities are for H.E. and Deltacom? At one of our POPs we¹re using an aggregate provider and I need to help them to fix some prefixes that I am announcing from another POP (ie. Lower the metric so only use the backhaul for failure of the other

Re: vyatta for bgp

2011-09-13 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 20:48:31 CDT, Jimmy Hess said: One thing.. the OP was asking about anyone using Vyatta for BGP. Using Vyatta for BGP doesn't necessarily mean the Vyatta unit is actually a device forwarding the packets... someone could be using it as a route server, or for otherwise

Re: vyatta for bgp

2011-09-13 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 22:38:57 BST, Nick Hilliard said: Let's throw some figures around (ridiculously simplified): a company has a choice between a pair of $10k software routers or something like a pair of MX80s for $25k each. So, one solution costs $20k; the other $50k. $30k cost difference

Re: Microsoft deems all DigiNotar certificates untrustworthy, releases

2011-09-13 Thread Tei
*a random php programmer shows* He, I just want to self-sign my CERT's and remove the ugly warning that browsers shows. I don't want to pay 1000$ a year, or 1$ a year for that. I just don't want to use cleartext for internet data transfer. HTTP is like telnet, and HTTPS is like ssh. But with ssh

Re: Microsoft deems all DigiNotar certificates untrustworthy, releases

2011-09-13 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Tei oscar.vi...@gmail.com said: He, I just want to self-sign my CERT's and remove the ugly warning that browsers shows. SSL without some verification of the far end is useless, as a man-in-the-middle attack can create self-signed certs just as easily. -- Chris Adams

Soliciting your opinions on routing research: A routing policies survey

2011-09-13 Thread Sharon Goldberg
Hi NANOG, 27 ops have already responded to our routing policies survey; we're hoping to gather more responses before the week is over. We're collecting information about how you configure routing policies in your network to improve the models we use in our research on routing and security.

Re: Microsoft deems all DigiNotar certificates untrustworthy, releases

2011-09-13 Thread Peter Kristolaitis
Really? You can just connect with SSH? root@somebox:~# ssh 1.2.3.4 The authenticity of host '1.2.3.4 (1.2.3.4)' can't be established. RSA key fingerprint is 03:26:2c:b2:cd:fd:05:fc:87:70:4b:06:58:40:e7:c3. Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? That's no different that having

Re: Microsoft deems all DigiNotar certificates untrustworthy, releases

2011-09-13 Thread David Israel
On 9/13/2011 10:29 AM, Tei wrote: *a random php programmer shows* He, I just want to self-sign my CERT's and remove the ugly warning that browsers shows. I don't want to pay 1000$ a year, or 1$ a year for that. I just don't want to use cleartext for internet data transfer. HTTP is like telnet,

Re: Microsoft deems all DigiNotar certificates untrustworthy, releases

2011-09-13 Thread Brett Frankenberger
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 09:45:39AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Tei oscar.vi...@gmail.com said: He, I just want to self-sign my CERT's and remove the ugly warning that browsers shows. SSL without some verification of the far end is useless, as a man-in-the-middle attack can

Re: Microsoft deems all DigiNotar certificates untrustworthy, releases

2011-09-13 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 16:29:30 +0200, Tei said: He, I just want to self-sign my CERT's and remove the ugly warning that browsers shows. I don't want to pay 1000$ a year, or 1$ a year for that. I The warning is there for a *reason* - namely that if you have a self-signed cert, a first time visitor

Re: Microsoft deems all DigiNotar certificates untrustworthy, releases

2011-09-13 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Brett Frankenberger rbf+na...@panix.com said: On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 09:45:39AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Tei oscar.vi...@gmail.com said: He, I just want to self-sign my CERT's and remove the ugly warning that browsers shows. SSL without some

Re: Microsoft deems all DigiNotar certificates untrustworthy, releases

2011-09-13 Thread Michiel Klaver
At 22-07-28164 20:59, Tei wrote: *a random php programmer shows* He, I just want to self-sign my CERT's and remove the ugly warning that browsers shows. I don't want to pay 1000$ a year, or 1$ a year for that. I just don't want to use cleartext for internet data transfer. HTTP is like telnet,

Re: Microsoft deems all DigiNotar certificates untrustworthy, releases

2011-09-13 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu valdis.kletni...@vt.edu said: If you use SSH to connect, and either ignore the host key has changed or authenticity can't be established, continue connecting? messages, you get what you deserve - those are the *exact* same issues that your browser warns

Re: Microsoft deems all DigiNotar certificates untrustworthy, releases

2011-09-13 Thread Jima
On 2011-09-13 20:26, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Michiel Klavermich...@klaver.it wrote: No need for (financial) pain, there are free of charge ssl certificates available, see for example: http://www.startssl.com/?app=1 eddy stopped issuing Huh? I'm a bit

Re: Microsoft deems all DigiNotar certificates untrustworthy, releases

2011-09-13 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Jima na...@jima.tk wrote: On 2011-09-13 20:26, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Michiel Klavermich...@klaver.it  wrote: No need for (financial) pain, there are free of charge ssl certificates available, see for example:

Re: Microsoft deems all DigiNotar certificates untrustworthy, releases

2011-09-13 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:44 PM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Jima na...@jima.tk wrote: On 2011-09-13 20:26, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Michiel Klavermich...@klaver.it  wrote: No need for (financial)

Re: Microsoft deems all DigiNotar certificates untrustworthy, releases

2011-09-13 Thread Ted Cooper
On 14/09/11 13:44, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Jima na...@jima.tk wrote: Huh? I'm a bit lost here, since I had two StartSSL certs issued yesterday afternoon. orly? wierd, they made a press release ~last-june (I think?) stating they were stopping issuance

Re: what about the users re: NAT444 or ?

2011-09-13 Thread Owen DeLong
On Sep 8, 2011, at 9:52 AM, Dan Wing wrote: -Original Message- From: Christian de Larrinaga [mailto:c...@firsthand.net] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 8:05 AM To: Cameron Byrne Cc: NANOG Subject: what about the users re: NAT444 or ? I wonder if the discussion as useful as it

Re: NAT444 or ?

2011-09-13 Thread Owen DeLong
Good point, but aside from these scaling issues which I expect can be resolved to a point, the more serious issue, I think, is applications that just do not work with double NAT. Now, I have not conducted any serious research into this, but it seems that draft-donley-nat444- impacts does

RE: what about the users re: NAT444 or ?

2011-09-13 Thread Dan Wing
One can do that with or without NAT. This claim that one cannot keep a network running without a service provider connected if you don't run NAT is a myth of dubious origin. If the hosts are running DHCP, and the ISP is running the DHCP server? I guess they will fall back (after a while) to

RE: NAT444 or ?

2011-09-13 Thread Dan Wing
-Original Message- From: Owen DeLong [mailto:o...@delong.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 9:43 PM To: Dan Wing Cc: 'Leigh Porter'; 'David Israel'; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: NAT444 or ? Good point, but aside from these scaling issues which I expect can be resolved to