Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members

2011-09-16 Thread Dave Temkin
Steve, Can you ensure that you have that budget available before the meeting, hopefully at least a week before? Also, can we have the numbers from NANOG 52 ASAP? Thanks! -Dave On 9/15/11 7:28 PM, Steven Feldman wrote: [Apologies for cross-posting; it turns out many members are not on the

Re: Disappointing ARIN - A great advertisement for the USA ?

2011-09-16 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Someone laying that restful whois to rest or at least maintaining the old whois in parallel would be great. Lots and lots of scripts to go spammer hunting using regexps to find all the netblocks assigned to a spammer had to be rewritten :( On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Randy Bush

Re: routing issue for verizon dsl customers in western massachusetts

2011-09-16 Thread Dave Hart
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 20:52 UTC, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Steve Bohrer skboh...@simons-rock.edu wrote: Traceroutes from Brian's house show that for our blocked hosts, the users don't get beyond Verizon's NAT. I wasn't aware verizon

Re: Disappointing ARIN - A great advertisement for the USA ?

2011-09-16 Thread Randy Bush
Someone laying that restful whois to rest or at least maintaining the old whois in parallel would be great. Lots and lots of scripts to go spammer hunting using regexps to find all the netblocks assigned to a spammer had to be rewritten :( when you have a monopoly, you do not have the

Re: Disappointing ARIN - A great advertisement for the USA ?

2011-09-16 Thread Florian Weimer
* Jon Lewis: No he's not. He's complaining that sometime in the past few weeks (or is it months now?) ARIN changed the behavior of their whois server. Ahem, ARIN's WHOIS server has been sending such responses for ages. Maybe the change is that more addresses trigger this behavior, but you

6To4 Transition Concideration

2011-09-16 Thread Meftah Tayeb
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Re: Disappointing ARIN - A great advertisement for the USA ?

2011-09-16 Thread John Curran
On Sep 16, 2011, at 3:21 AM, Randy Bush wrote: when you have a monopoly, you do not have the slightest instinct to think of the effects of your actions on others. Randy - Over the last decade, we've run multiple consultations with the community regarding changing Whois. These have

Re: routing issue for verizon dsl customers in western massachusetts

2011-09-16 Thread bgold
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 20:52 UTC, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Steve Bohrer skboh...@simons-rock.edu wrote: Traceroutes from Brian's house show that for our blocked hosts, the users don't get beyond Verizon's NAT. I wasn't aware

Re: Disappointing ARIN - A great advertisement for the USA ?

2011-09-16 Thread Randy Bush
If you have a particular suggestion for changing whois, please feel free to submit it. simple. don't. if you want to do something new, don't call it whois. randy

RE: Disappointing ARIN - A great advertisement for the USA ?

2011-09-16 Thread Leigh Porter
-Original Message- From: Randy Bush [mailto:ra...@psg.com] Sent: 16 September 2011 16:05 To: John Curran Cc: NANOG list Subject: Re: Disappointing ARIN - A great advertisement for the USA ? If you have a particular suggestion for changing whois, please feel free to submit it.

Re: Disappointing ARIN - A great advertisement for the USA ?

2011-09-16 Thread John Curran
On Sep 16, 2011, at 10:17 AM, Leigh Porter wrote: -Original Message- From: Randy Bush [mailto:ra...@psg.com] Sent: 16 September 2011 16:05 To: John Curran Cc: NANOG list Subject: Re: Disappointing ARIN - A great advertisement for the USA ? If you have a particular suggestion for

Re: Disappointing ARIN - A great advertisement for the USA ?

2011-09-16 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
As the new arin whois is best suited for REST .. offer it only over REST? Queries from shell prompts can go on the same way they've gone on for years. On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:05 PM, John Curran jcur...@arin.net wrote: One approach would be the use of an option flag on the query to obtain

Re: Disappointing ARIN - A great advertisement for the USA ?

2011-09-16 Thread Randy Bush
One approach would be the use of an option flag on the query to obtain the new hierarchical output No flag = no output change. Would that suffice? how to do something new is best discussed by folk who want or need something new, the folk with skin in the game. so, though i have an opinion

Re: Disappointing ARIN - A great advertisement for the USA ?

2011-09-16 Thread John Curran
On Sep 16, 2011, at 10:40 AM, Randy Bush wrote: One approach would be the use of an option flag on the query to obtain the new hierarchical output No flag = no output change. Would that suffice? how to do something new is best discussed by folk who want or need something new, the folk

Re: Disappointing ARIN - A great advertisement for the USA ?

2011-09-16 Thread Randy Bush
One approach would be the use of an option flag on the query to obtain the new hierarchical output No flag = no output change. Would that suffice? how to do something new is best discussed by folk who want or need something new, the folk with skin in the game. so, though i have an

Re: Disappointing ARIN - A great advertisement for the USA ?

2011-09-16 Thread Ray Soucy
Saying NANOG = ARIN is like saying Middle East = Terrorist. That kind of generalization is never useful. ARIN is one of many non-Government organizations that make decisions regarding the Internet. As for your reference to Obama-style I'm not sure if you're trying to pay homage to, or insult

Re: Disappointing ARIN - A great advertisement for the USA ?

2011-09-16 Thread Randy Bush
Saying NANOG = ARIN is like saying Middle East = Terrorist. That kind of generalization is never useful. ARIN is one of many non-Government organizations that make decisions regarding the Internet. As for your reference to Obama-style I'm not sure if you're trying to pay homage to, or

RE: How to begin making my own ISP?

2011-09-16 Thread Eric Wieling
I think the question was far too vague. The first thing you need to start an ISP is LOTS OF MONEY. -Original Message- From: hass...@hushmail.com [mailto:hass...@hushmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 2:10 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: How to begin making my own ISP? No

Re: The Cidr Report - 4byte ASN handling

2011-09-16 Thread Mark Tinka
On Friday, September 16, 2011 07:51:04 AM Schiller, Heather A wrote: I thought AS-plain notation was the standard for 4-byte ASN's? as-plain is not the standard per se. Think of it more as the preferred option within the industry. o All major vendors support it, so there's no need

RE: How to begin making my own ISP?

2011-09-16 Thread Matlock, Kenneth L
The second thing is that you need to have at least a VAGUE idea what you want to actually offer. A DSL ISP is VASTLY different than a Co-Location ISP. I'd say you need to sit down and take a long hard look at exactly you want to do, *then* figure out what you need to do in order to accomplish

Re: How to begin making my own ISP?

2011-09-16 Thread mikea
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 02:10:29PM -0400, hass...@hushmail.com wrote: No one replied with any useful information. I guess no one wants competition on this list? Pretty poor tactic. On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:55:01 -0400 hass...@hushmail.com wrote: I want to begin making my own ISP, mainly for

Re: How to begin making my own ISP?

2011-09-16 Thread Jimmy Changa
Based on this email, I would suggest Marketing/PR classes ;) Accounting? On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 2:10 PM, hass...@hushmail.com wrote: No one replied with any useful information. I guess no one wants competition on this list? Pretty poor tactic. On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:55:01 -0400

Re: How to begin making my own ISP?

2011-09-16 Thread Jima
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011, mikea wrote: On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 02:10:29PM -0400, hass...@hushmail.com wrote: No one replied with any useful information. I guess no one wants competition on this list? Pretty poor tactic. It's not safe to ass-u-me that absence of a reply is due to a desire to avoid

Traceroute losses through NYC1.gblx.net?

2011-09-16 Thread Steve Bohrer
My general question is what meaning do I give to lossy traceroutes, even when pings show no problem. Can I expect that backbone routers should never give me timeouts on a traceroute through them, so, lots of asterisks from these systems indicate a packet loss problem that needs to be

Re: How to begin making my own ISP?

2011-09-16 Thread bmanning
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 02:10:29PM -0400, hass...@hushmail.com wrote: No one replied with any useful information. I guess no one wants competition on this list? Pretty poor tactic. On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:55:01 -0400 hass...@hushmail.com wrote: I want to begin making my own ISP, mainly for

Re: How to begin making my own ISP?

2011-09-16 Thread Henry Yen
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 21:55:01PM -0400, hass...@hushmail.com wrote: I want to begin making my own ISP, mainly for high speed servers and such, but also branching out to residential customers. I'm going to be in Germany for the next school year (probably either Frankfurt am Main or

Re: Traceroute losses through NYC1.gblx.net?

2011-09-16 Thread Jared Mauch
On Sep 16, 2011, at 2:42 PM, Steve Bohrer wrote: My general question is what meaning do I give to lossy traceroutes, even when pings show no problem. Can I expect that backbone routers should never give me timeouts on a traceroute through them, so, lots of asterisks from these systems

Re: Traceroute losses through NYC1.gblx.net?

2011-09-16 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Steve Bohrer skboh...@simons-rock.edu wrote: Can I expect that backbone routers should never give me timeouts on a traceroute through them, so, lots of asterisks from these systems indicate a packet loss problem that needs to be fixed? something inside the

Re: How to begin making my own ISP?

2011-09-16 Thread bmanning
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 02:10:29PM -0400, hass...@hushmail.com wrote: No one replied with any useful information. I guess no one wants competition on this list? Pretty poor tactic. On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:55:01 -0400 hass...@hushmail.com wrote: I want to begin making my own ISP, mainly for

Re: How to begin making my own ISP?

2011-09-16 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 18:42:18 -, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com said: Configure Quagga w/ the obtained ASN and announce the IP prefix(es). TaDa ... You are an ISP! Now all you need is a business plan that pays for the rack space. ;) pgpKBjfFJNMbn.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: How to begin making my own ISP?

2011-09-16 Thread bmanning
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 02:53:03PM -0400, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 18:42:18 -, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com said: Configure Quagga w/ the obtained ASN and announce the IP prefix(es). TaDa ... You are an ISP! Now all you need is a business plan that pays

Re: The Cidr Report - 4byte ASN handling

2011-09-16 Thread Daniel Roesen
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 02:11:24AM +0800, Mark Tinka wrote: I thought AS-plain notation was the standard for 4-byte ASN's? as-plain is not the standard per se. RFC5396 on as-plain is on track becoming one. Best regards, Daniel -- CLUE-RIPE -- Jabber: d...@cluenet.de -- dr@IRCnet --

Weekly Routing Table Report

2011-09-16 Thread Routing Analysis Role Account
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. The posting is sent to APOPS, NANOG, AfNOG, AusNOG, SANOG, PacNOG, LacNOG, CaribNOG and the RIPE Routing Working Group. Daily listings are sent to

wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-16 Thread Charles N Wyble
Wow this turned into a very long post On 09/16/2011 01:10 PM, hass...@hushmail.com wrote: No one replied with any useful information. I guess no one wants competition on this list? Pretty poor tactic. On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:55:01 -0400 hass...@hushmail.com wrote: Mr

RE: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-16 Thread Leigh Porter
-Original Message- From: Charles N Wyble [mailto:char...@knownelement.com] Sent: 16 September 2011 20:47 To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Wow this turned into a very long post On 09/16/2011

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-16 Thread Charles N Wyble
On 09/16/2011 02:58 PM, Leigh Porter wrote: -Original Message- From: Charles N Wyble [mailto:char...@knownelement.com] Sent: 16 September 2011 20:47 To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Wow this turned into a

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-16 Thread bmanning
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 07:58:30PM +, Leigh Porter wrote: I wonder what would happen if a new ARIN member requested an IPv4 block of say a /16 for a new business? Or even a smaller block. I don't know what the current ARIN rules are but RIPE will currently give out six months worth of

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-16 Thread Randy Bush
As an ISP, ARIN will not give you any space if you are new. You have to already have an equivalent amount of space from another provider. does arin *really* still have that amazing barrier to market entry? arin claims to be a shining example of industry self-governance. to me, this barrier to

Re: The Cidr Report - 4byte ASN handling

2011-09-16 Thread Tassos Chatzithomaoglou
Strangely, both the RFC (5396) and the CIDR report appear to be written by the same guy...Geoff. btw, am i the only one who finds it easier to remember asdot formatted ASNs? - Tassos Nick Hilliard wrote on 16/9/2011 23:06: On 16/09/2011 00:51, Schiller, Heather A wrote: I thought AS-plain

RE: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-16 Thread Nathan Eisenberg
As an ISP, ARIN will not give you any space if you are new. You have to already have an equivalent amount of space from another provider. does arin *really* still have that amazing barrier to market entry? Yes. If you want PI space, you have to start off with PA space, utilize it, and

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-16 Thread bmanning
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 08:50:56PM +, Nathan Eisenberg wrote: As an ISP, ARIN will not give you any space if you are new. You have to already have an equivalent amount of space from another provider. does arin *really* still have that amazing barrier to market entry? Yes. If you

Re: How to begin making my own ISP?

2011-09-16 Thread hasserw
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 16:02:39 -0400 Markus unive...@truemetal.org wrote: Wait a sec :) So the info I sent you about RIPE and Germany wasn't useful to you at all? :( I didn't receive any such email, sorry. Try resending it if you still have it ? @ Everyone else: thank you for the useful

Re: How to begin making my own ISP?

2011-09-16 Thread Charles N Wyble
On 09/16/2011 04:28 PM, hass...@hushmail.com wrote: On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 16:02:39 -0400 Markus unive...@truemetal.org wrote: I didn't receive any such email, sorry. Try resending it if you still have it ? Maybe hushmail blocked it? :) @ Everyone else: thank you for the useful information.

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-16 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011, Randy Carpenter wrote: I wonder what would happen if a new ARIN member requested an IPv4 block of say a /16 for a new business? Or even a smaller block. I don't know what the current ARIN rules are but RIPE will currently give out six months worth of space. Now, in six

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-16 Thread Charles N Wyble
On 09/16/2011 04:34 PM, Justin M. Streiner wrote: On Fri, 16 Sep 2011, Randy Carpenter wrote: If you go to ARIN, day one, and ask for address space, they have no way of determining if your request is justified, beyond whatever pie-in-the-sky guesses and growth projections you give them.

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-16 Thread Randy Bush
As an ISP, ARIN will not give you any space if you are new. You have to already have an equivalent amount of space from another provider. I think it is really stupid, and encourages wasting IP space, but that is what the current policy is. If you go to ARIN, day one, and ask for address

Re: How to begin making my own ISP?

2011-09-16 Thread Michael Painter
hass...@hushmail.com wrote: On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 16:02:39 -0400 Markus unive...@truemetal.org wrote: Wait a sec :) So the info I sent you about RIPE and Germany wasn't useful to you at all? :( I didn't receive any such email, sorry. Try resending it if you still have it ? @ Everyone else:

Re: How to begin making my own ISP?

2011-09-16 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011, hass...@hushmail.com wrote: No one replied with any useful information. I guess no one wants competition on this list? Pretty poor tactic. Honestly, I did have an insightful email drafted up for your original post, but the more I thought about it, the more I felt like I

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-16 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011, Randy Bush wrote: If you go to ARIN, day one, and ask for address space, they have no way of determining if your request is justified, beyond whatever pie-in-the-sky guesses and growth projections you give them. why is this not a problem in any other region? I don't

RE: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-16 Thread Leigh Porter
-Original Message- From: Randy Bush [mailto:ra...@psg.com] Sent: 16 September 2011 21:38 To: Randy Carpenter Cc: North American Network Operators' Group Subject: Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network As an ISP, ARIN will not

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-16 Thread Randy Bush
People have been bleating about routing tables sizes for years and everything has been fine. You could argue that the bleating has helped keep the size down of course, perhaps it has. guy walks into a psychiatrist's office waving a newspaper. shrink asks why are you waving that newspaper?

BGP Update Report

2011-09-16 Thread cidr-report
BGP Update Report Interval: 08-Sep-11 -to- 15-Sep-11 (7 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS131072 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASNUpds % Upds/PfxAS-Name 1 - AS8447 100707 3.4%1038.2 -- TELEKOM-AT A1 Telekom Austria AG 2 - AS23966

The Cidr Report

2011-09-16 Thread cidr-report
This report has been generated at Fri Sep 16 21:12:30 2011 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date

RE: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-16 Thread Nathan Eisenberg
When I still worked in the ISP world, the startup I worked for started off with PA space, and then grew into PI space, and handed the PA space back to their upstreams as it was vacated. I had no problems getting subsequent PI blocks because our documentation was in order. The documentation

Re: IPV6 over a PPTP Link

2011-09-16 Thread Fredy Kuenzler
Am 15.09.2011 18:24, schrieb Meftah Tayeb: can i ofer ipv6 addresses through a PPTP connection using cisco ? if yes, how please ? These slides were presented on various conferences showing native v6 via L2TP. While you asked for PPTP, I thought to point to the link anyway, maybe the slides

Re: How to begin making my own ISP?

2011-09-16 Thread Lynda
On 9/16/2011 2:43 PM, Michael Painter wrote: hass...@hushmail.com wrote: @ Everyone else: thank you for the useful information. I didn't mean to come off as being bratty with my competition notation, it was meant as a bump to the posting and not an insult at anyone. Oldie but goodie:

Re: Disappointing ARIN - A great advertisement for the USA ?

2011-09-16 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 5:53 AM, John Curran jcur...@arin.net wrote: On Sep 16, 2011, at 3:21 AM, Randy Bush wrote: Randy -  Over the last decade, we've run multiple consultations with the While I appreciate that ARIN has had community consultations... It needs to be understood that the WHOIS

Re: Disappointing ARIN - A great advertisement for the USA ?

2011-09-16 Thread Charles N Wyble
Does whois have a bug tracker somewhere? That seems to be the place to file these sort of things.

Re: How to begin making my own ISP?

2011-09-16 Thread Ben McGinnes
On 17/09/11 7:34 AM, Charles N Wyble wrote: On 09/16/2011 04:28 PM, hass...@hushmail.com wrote: On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 16:02:39 -0400 Markus unive...@truemetal.org wrote: I didn't receive any such email, sorry. Try resending it if you still have it ? Maybe hushmail blocked it? :) That's

Re: How to begin making my own ISP?

2011-09-16 Thread Joe Hamelin
When we needed an ISP in Yakima back in '95 we found a rich guy in Seattle, got him to hire an old SunOS geek and an illegal Englishman, and a very small space on the 19th floor of the Westin. Then we talked him into putting his first POP in Yakima where he would have immediate paying customers.

Re: The Cidr Report - 4byte ASN handling

2011-09-16 Thread Mark Tinka
On Saturday, September 17, 2011 03:16:01 AM Daniel Roesen wrote: RFC5396 on as-plain is on track becoming one. Indeed. I suppose it will be interesting to see how the vendors respond to this. Would they retract support for as-dot, as it's been shipping for a while now? Cheers, Mark.

Re: The Cidr Report - 4byte ASN handling

2011-09-16 Thread Mark Tinka
On Saturday, September 17, 2011 04:49:17 AM Tassos Chatzithomaoglou wrote: btw, am i the only one who finds it easier to remember asdot formatted ASNs? They're easier to remember, but if you operate an ASN for a reasonable period of time, it's okay to assume that you will remember it,

Re: The Cidr Report - 4byte ASN handling

2011-09-16 Thread Joe Hamelin
I say we all start using octal two's complement for extended ASNs. (note to self: don't post to NANOG after a night out with a vendor.) -- Joe Hamelin, W7COM, Tulalip, WA, 360-474-7474 On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:39 PM, Mark Tinka mti...@globaltransit.netwrote: On Saturday, September 17, 2011