Steve,
Can you ensure that you have that budget available before the meeting,
hopefully at least a week before?
Also, can we have the numbers from NANOG 52 ASAP?
Thanks!
-Dave
On 9/15/11 7:28 PM, Steven Feldman wrote:
[Apologies for cross-posting; it turns out many members are not on the
Someone laying that restful whois to rest or at least maintaining
the old whois in parallel would be great.
Lots and lots of scripts to go spammer hunting using regexps to find
all the netblocks assigned to a spammer had to be rewritten :(
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Randy Bush
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 20:52 UTC, Christopher Morrow
morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Steve Bohrer skboh...@simons-rock.edu
wrote:
Traceroutes from Brian's house
show that for our blocked hosts, the users don't get beyond Verizon's NAT.
I wasn't aware verizon
Someone laying that restful whois to rest or at least maintaining
the old whois in parallel would be great.
Lots and lots of scripts to go spammer hunting using regexps to find
all the netblocks assigned to a spammer had to be rewritten :(
when you have a monopoly, you do not have the
* Jon Lewis:
No he's not. He's complaining that sometime in the past few weeks (or
is it months now?) ARIN changed the behavior of their whois server.
Ahem, ARIN's WHOIS server has been sending such responses for ages.
Maybe the change is that more addresses trigger this behavior, but you
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On Sep 16, 2011, at 3:21 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
when you have a monopoly, you do not have the slightest instinct to
think of the effects of your actions on others.
Randy -
Over the last decade, we've run multiple consultations with the
community regarding changing Whois. These have
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 20:52 UTC, Christopher Morrow
morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Steve Bohrer skboh...@simons-rock.edu
wrote:
Traceroutes from Brian's house
show that for our blocked hosts, the users don't get beyond Verizon's
NAT.
I wasn't aware
If you have a particular suggestion for changing whois, please
feel free to submit it.
simple. don't.
if you want to do something new, don't call it whois.
randy
-Original Message-
From: Randy Bush [mailto:ra...@psg.com]
Sent: 16 September 2011 16:05
To: John Curran
Cc: NANOG list
Subject: Re: Disappointing ARIN - A great advertisement for the USA ?
If you have a particular suggestion for changing whois, please
feel free to submit it.
On Sep 16, 2011, at 10:17 AM, Leigh Porter wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Randy Bush [mailto:ra...@psg.com]
Sent: 16 September 2011 16:05
To: John Curran
Cc: NANOG list
Subject: Re: Disappointing ARIN - A great advertisement for the USA ?
If you have a particular suggestion for
As the new arin whois is best suited for REST .. offer it only over
REST? Queries from shell prompts can go on the same way they've gone
on for years.
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:05 PM, John Curran jcur...@arin.net wrote:
One approach would be the use of an option flag on the query to obtain
One approach would be the use of an option flag on the query to obtain
the new hierarchical output No flag = no output change. Would that
suffice?
how to do something new is best discussed by folk who want or need
something new, the folk with skin in the game. so, though i have an
opinion
On Sep 16, 2011, at 10:40 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
One approach would be the use of an option flag on the query to obtain
the new hierarchical output No flag = no output change. Would that
suffice?
how to do something new is best discussed by folk who want or need
something new, the folk
One approach would be the use of an option flag on the query to obtain
the new hierarchical output No flag = no output change. Would that
suffice?
how to do something new is best discussed by folk who want or need
something new, the folk with skin in the game. so, though i have an
Saying NANOG = ARIN is like saying Middle East = Terrorist. That kind
of generalization is never useful. ARIN is one of many non-Government
organizations that make decisions regarding the Internet.
As for your reference to Obama-style I'm not sure if you're trying
to pay homage to, or insult
Saying NANOG = ARIN is like saying Middle East = Terrorist. That kind
of generalization is never useful. ARIN is one of many non-Government
organizations that make decisions regarding the Internet.
As for your reference to Obama-style I'm not sure if you're trying
to pay homage to, or
I think the question was far too vague. The first thing you need to start an
ISP is LOTS OF MONEY.
-Original Message-
From: hass...@hushmail.com [mailto:hass...@hushmail.com]
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 2:10 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: How to begin making my own ISP?
No
On Friday, September 16, 2011 07:51:04 AM Schiller, Heather
A wrote:
I thought AS-plain notation was the standard for 4-byte
ASN's?
as-plain is not the standard per se. Think of it more as
the preferred option within the industry.
o All major vendors support it, so there's no need
The second thing is that you need to have at least a VAGUE idea what you
want to actually offer.
A DSL ISP is VASTLY different than a Co-Location ISP.
I'd say you need to sit down and take a long hard look at exactly you
want to do, *then* figure out what you need to do in order to accomplish
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 02:10:29PM -0400, hass...@hushmail.com wrote:
No one replied with any useful information. I guess no one wants
competition on this list? Pretty poor tactic.
On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:55:01 -0400 hass...@hushmail.com wrote:
I want to begin making my own ISP, mainly for
Based on this email, I would suggest Marketing/PR classes ;)
Accounting?
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 2:10 PM, hass...@hushmail.com wrote:
No one replied with any useful information. I guess no one wants
competition on this list? Pretty poor tactic.
On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:55:01 -0400
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011, mikea wrote:
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 02:10:29PM -0400, hass...@hushmail.com wrote:
No one replied with any useful information. I guess no one wants
competition on this list? Pretty poor tactic.
It's not safe to ass-u-me that absence of a reply is due to a desire to
avoid
My general question is what meaning do I give to lossy traceroutes,
even when pings show no problem.
Can I expect that backbone routers should never give me timeouts on a
traceroute through them, so, lots of asterisks from these systems
indicate a packet loss problem that needs to be
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 02:10:29PM -0400, hass...@hushmail.com wrote:
No one replied with any useful information. I guess no one wants
competition on this list? Pretty poor tactic.
On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:55:01 -0400 hass...@hushmail.com wrote:
I want to begin making my own ISP, mainly for
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 21:55:01PM -0400, hass...@hushmail.com wrote:
I want to begin making my own ISP, mainly for high speed servers
and such, but also branching out to residential customers. I'm
going to be in Germany for the next school year (probably either
Frankfurt am Main or
On Sep 16, 2011, at 2:42 PM, Steve Bohrer wrote:
My general question is what meaning do I give to lossy traceroutes, even
when pings show no problem.
Can I expect that backbone routers should never give me timeouts on a
traceroute through them, so, lots of asterisks from these systems
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Steve Bohrer skboh...@simons-rock.edu wrote:
Can I expect that backbone routers should never give me timeouts on a
traceroute through them, so, lots of asterisks from these systems indicate a
packet loss problem that needs to be fixed?
something inside the
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 02:10:29PM -0400, hass...@hushmail.com wrote:
No one replied with any useful information. I guess no one wants
competition on this list? Pretty poor tactic.
On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:55:01 -0400 hass...@hushmail.com wrote:
I want to begin making my own ISP, mainly for
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 18:42:18 -, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com said:
Configure Quagga w/ the obtained ASN and announce the IP prefix(es).
TaDa ... You are an ISP!
Now all you need is a business plan that pays for the rack space. ;)
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On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 02:53:03PM -0400, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 18:42:18 -, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com said:
Configure Quagga w/ the obtained ASN and announce the IP prefix(es).
TaDa ... You are an ISP!
Now all you need is a business plan that pays
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 02:11:24AM +0800, Mark Tinka wrote:
I thought AS-plain notation was the standard for 4-byte
ASN's?
as-plain is not the standard per se.
RFC5396 on as-plain is on track becoming one.
Best regards,
Daniel
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Wow this turned into a very long post
On 09/16/2011 01:10 PM, hass...@hushmail.com wrote:
No one replied with any useful information. I guess no one wants
competition on this list? Pretty poor tactic.
On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:55:01 -0400 hass...@hushmail.com wrote:
Mr
-Original Message-
From: Charles N Wyble [mailto:char...@knownelement.com]
Sent: 16 September 2011 20:47
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building
a nationwide network
Wow this turned into a very long post
On 09/16/2011
On 09/16/2011 02:58 PM, Leigh Porter wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Charles N Wyble [mailto:char...@knownelement.com]
Sent: 16 September 2011 20:47
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building
a nationwide network
Wow this turned into a
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 07:58:30PM +, Leigh Porter wrote:
I wonder what would happen if a new ARIN member requested an IPv4 block of
say a /16 for a new business? Or even a smaller block. I don't know what the
current ARIN rules are but RIPE will currently give out six months worth of
As an ISP, ARIN will not give you any space if you are new. You have
to already have an equivalent amount of space from another provider.
does arin *really* still have that amazing barrier to market entry?
arin claims to be a shining example of industry self-governance. to me,
this barrier to
Strangely, both the RFC (5396) and the CIDR report appear to be written by the same
guy...Geoff.
btw, am i the only one who finds it easier to remember asdot formatted ASNs?
-
Tassos
Nick Hilliard wrote on 16/9/2011 23:06:
On 16/09/2011 00:51, Schiller, Heather A wrote:
I thought AS-plain
As an ISP, ARIN will not give you any space if you are new. You have
to already have an equivalent amount of space from another provider.
does arin *really* still have that amazing barrier to market entry?
Yes. If you want PI space, you have to start off with PA space, utilize it,
and
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 08:50:56PM +, Nathan Eisenberg wrote:
As an ISP, ARIN will not give you any space if you are new. You have
to already have an equivalent amount of space from another provider.
does arin *really* still have that amazing barrier to market entry?
Yes. If you
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 16:02:39 -0400 Markus unive...@truemetal.org
wrote:
Wait a sec :) So the info I sent you about RIPE and Germany
wasn't useful to you at all? :(
I didn't receive any such email, sorry. Try resending it if you
still have it ?
@ Everyone else: thank you for the useful
On 09/16/2011 04:28 PM, hass...@hushmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 16:02:39 -0400 Markus unive...@truemetal.org
wrote:
I didn't receive any such email, sorry. Try resending it if you
still have it ?
Maybe hushmail blocked it? :)
@ Everyone else: thank you for the useful information.
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011, Randy Carpenter wrote:
I wonder what would happen if a new ARIN member requested an IPv4
block of say a /16 for a new business? Or even a smaller block. I
don't know what the current ARIN rules are but RIPE will currently
give out six months worth of space. Now, in six
On 09/16/2011 04:34 PM, Justin M. Streiner wrote:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011, Randy Carpenter wrote:
If you go to ARIN, day one, and ask for address space, they have no
way of determining if your request is justified, beyond whatever
pie-in-the-sky guesses and growth projections you give them.
As an ISP, ARIN will not give you any space if you are new. You have to
already have an equivalent amount of space from another provider. I
think it is really stupid, and encourages wasting IP space, but that is
what the current policy is.
If you go to ARIN, day one, and ask for address
hass...@hushmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 16:02:39 -0400 Markus unive...@truemetal.org
wrote:
Wait a sec :) So the info I sent you about RIPE and Germany
wasn't useful to you at all? :(
I didn't receive any such email, sorry. Try resending it if you
still have it ?
@ Everyone else:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011, hass...@hushmail.com wrote:
No one replied with any useful information. I guess no one wants
competition on this list? Pretty poor tactic.
Honestly, I did have an insightful email drafted up for your original
post, but the more I thought about it, the more I felt like I
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011, Randy Bush wrote:
If you go to ARIN, day one, and ask for address space, they have no way of
determining if your request is justified, beyond whatever pie-in-the-sky
guesses and growth projections you give them.
why is this not a problem in any other region?
I don't
-Original Message-
From: Randy Bush [mailto:ra...@psg.com]
Sent: 16 September 2011 21:38
To: Randy Carpenter
Cc: North American Network Operators' Group
Subject: Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on
building a nationwide network
As an ISP, ARIN will not
People have been bleating about routing tables sizes for years and
everything has been fine. You could argue that the bleating has helped
keep the size down of course, perhaps it has.
guy walks into a psychiatrist's office waving a newspaper. shrink
asks why are you waving that newspaper?
BGP Update Report
Interval: 08-Sep-11 -to- 15-Sep-11 (7 days)
Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS131072
TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS
Rank ASNUpds % Upds/PfxAS-Name
1 - AS8447 100707 3.4%1038.2 -- TELEKOM-AT A1 Telekom Austria AG
2 - AS23966
This report has been generated at Fri Sep 16 21:12:30 2011 AEST.
The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router
and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table.
Check http://www.cidr-report.org for a current version of this report.
Recent Table History
Date
When I still worked in the ISP world, the startup I worked for started off
with
PA space, and then grew into PI space, and handed the PA space back to
their upstreams as it was vacated. I had no problems getting subsequent PI
blocks because our documentation was in order.
The documentation
Am 15.09.2011 18:24, schrieb Meftah Tayeb:
can i ofer ipv6 addresses through a PPTP connection using cisco ?
if yes, how please ?
These slides were presented on various conferences showing native v6 via
L2TP. While you asked for PPTP, I thought to point to the link anyway, maybe
the slides
On 9/16/2011 2:43 PM, Michael Painter wrote:
hass...@hushmail.com wrote:
@ Everyone else: thank you for the useful information. I didn't
mean to come off as being bratty with my competition notation, it
was meant as a bump to the posting and not an insult at anyone.
Oldie but goodie:
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 5:53 AM, John Curran jcur...@arin.net wrote:
On Sep 16, 2011, at 3:21 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
Randy -
Over the last decade, we've run multiple consultations with the
While I appreciate that ARIN has had community consultations...
It needs to be understood that the WHOIS
Does whois have a bug tracker somewhere? That seems to be the place to
file these sort of things.
On 17/09/11 7:34 AM, Charles N Wyble wrote:
On 09/16/2011 04:28 PM, hass...@hushmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 16:02:39 -0400 Markus unive...@truemetal.org
wrote:
I didn't receive any such email, sorry. Try resending it if you
still have it ?
Maybe hushmail blocked it? :)
That's
When we needed an ISP in Yakima back in '95 we found a rich guy in Seattle,
got him to hire an old SunOS geek and an illegal Englishman, and a very
small space on the 19th floor of the Westin. Then we talked him into
putting his first POP in Yakima where he would have immediate paying
customers.
On Saturday, September 17, 2011 03:16:01 AM Daniel Roesen
wrote:
RFC5396 on as-plain is on track becoming one.
Indeed.
I suppose it will be interesting to see how the vendors
respond to this. Would they retract support for as-dot, as
it's been shipping for a while now?
Cheers,
Mark.
On Saturday, September 17, 2011 04:49:17 AM Tassos
Chatzithomaoglou wrote:
btw, am i the only one who finds it easier to remember
asdot formatted ASNs?
They're easier to remember, but if you operate an ASN for a
reasonable period of time, it's okay to assume that you will
remember it,
I say we all start using octal two's complement for extended ASNs.
(note to self: don't post to NANOG after a night out with a vendor.)
--
Joe Hamelin, W7COM, Tulalip, WA, 360-474-7474
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:39 PM, Mark Tinka mti...@globaltransit.netwrote:
On Saturday, September 17, 2011
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