Re: How Skype uses the network [was: News item: Blackberry services down worldwide]

2011-10-15 Thread Alex Brooks
Howdy, On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.net wrote: On Oct 13, 2011, at 7:26 PM, Matthew Kaufman wrote: On 10/13/11 3:30 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: In fact, Skype, just as a for instance, is worse on hotel wifi as launching the app on a laptop makes you

RE: [OT] Overture's Ethernet over bonded Copper products

2011-10-15 Thread Sutton, Allen
We've used them extensively in our network for years (we have about 2,600 of them in the network). They actually used to be Ceterus devices (it's possible that Hatteras merged with Ceterus or something, but I'm not up on my vendor acquisition current events). We mostly use the UTS 810 and

Re: Weekly Routing Table Report

2011-10-15 Thread Hank Nussbacher
On Fri, 14 Oct 2011, ML wrote: On 10/14/2011 03:21 PM, Routing Analysis Role Account wrote: List of Unregistered Origin ASNs (Global) - Maybe I'm just not in the know on this but if these prefixes/ASes shouldn't be seen on the internet, shouldn't

Re: [routing-wg] The Cidr Report

2011-10-15 Thread Geoff Huston
From what I learned at the latest NANOG it's very clear that nobody reads this any more. Is there any good reason to persist in spamming the nanog list with this report? thanks, Geoff

Re: [routing-wg] BGP Update Report

2011-10-15 Thread Geoff Huston
While I am at it, does anyone read this report, or is this weekly report also just part of the spam load on this list? regards, Geoff

Re: [routing-wg] The Cidr Report

2011-10-15 Thread Geoff Huston
Does anyone give a s**t about this any more? From what I learned at the latest NANOG it's very clear that nobody reads this any more. Is there any good reason to persist in spamming the nanog list with this report? thanks, Geoff

Re: [routing-wg] The Cidr Report

2011-10-15 Thread Randy Bush
From what I learned at the latest NANOG it's very clear that nobody reads this any more. some read it. we are the frustrated ones. no one seems to act on it. Is there any good reason to persist in spamming the nanog list with this report? not clear, sad to say. i really think that the

Re: [routing-wg] BGP Update Report

2011-10-15 Thread Lynda
On 10/15/2011 4:26 AM, Geoff Huston wrote: While I am at it, does anyone read this report, or is this weekly report also just part of the spam load on this list? I read both of them, and also the Weekly Routing Report. I will regret the loss, and consider all three to be far more valuable

Re: [routing-wg] BGP Update Report

2011-10-15 Thread John Peach
On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 22:26:36 +1100 Geoff Huston g...@apnic.net wrote: While I am at it, does anyone read this report, or is this weekly report also just part of the spam load on this list? If you don't want them, filter them to /dev/null. regards, Geoff -- John

Re: [routing-wg] BGP Update Report

2011-10-15 Thread William F. Maton Sotomayor
On Sat, 15 Oct 2011, Lynda wrote: On 10/15/2011 4:26 AM, Geoff Huston wrote: While I am at it, does anyone read this report, or is this weekly report also just part of the spam load on this list? I read both of them, and also the Weekly Routing Report. I will regret the loss, and consider

Re: [routing-wg] The Cidr Report

2011-10-15 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Oct 15, 2011, at 3:29 PM, Randy Bush wrote: From what I learned at the latest NANOG it's very clear that nobody reads this any more. some read it. we are the frustrated ones. Some read it. I think everyone on NANOG is frustrated (or not paying attention). I would suggest that you

Re: Apple updates - Effect on network

2011-10-15 Thread Simon Leinen
Matt Taylor writes: Would love to see some bandwidth graphs. :) Here's one from another network. attachment: akamai-week.pngGuess it was a good idea to upgrade that Akamai cluster's uplink to 10GE, even though 2*GE (or was it 4*GE) looked sufficient at the time. Remember folks, overprovisioning

Re: [routing-wg] BGP Update Report

2011-10-15 Thread Keegan Holley
+1 good to get a view from multiple sources even if they are automated. Should be easy enough to filter for those that do not want them. 2011/10/15 William F. Maton Sotomayor wma...@ottix.net On Sat, 15 Oct 2011, Lynda wrote: On 10/15/2011 4:26 AM, Geoff Huston wrote: While I am at it,

Re: [routing-wg] The Cidr Report

2011-10-15 Thread Simon Leinen
Geoff Huston writes: Does anyone give a s**t about this any more? I do; I check the weekly increase every week, and check who the top offenders are. If someone from my vicinity/circles is on the list (doesn't happen frequently; more often for the BGP updates report than for CIDR), I may send

Re: Please change Mailman back to NOT force the rewrite for Reply-to

2011-10-15 Thread John Peach
On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 13:51:55 -0700 Lynda shr...@deaddrop.org wrote: I see that someone has instructed Mailman to munge the reply-to. Please don't do that. I was about to make a *private* reply to someone, and realized that the setting had changed, and that I was trapped into replying to

Re: Please change Mailman back to NOT force the rewrite for Reply-to

2011-10-15 Thread Phil Regnauld
John Peach (john-nanog) writes: Normally I'd have just made this point privately, and perhaps only on Futures, but since it seems to be a recent change, I'm doing the public service of pointing it out, while asking that it be adjusted back. I don't see that; I have to specifically

Re: Please change Mailman back to NOT force the rewrite for Reply-to

2011-10-15 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Oct 15, 2011, at 5:17 PM, Phil Regnauld wrote: John Peach (john-nanog) writes: Normally I'd have just made this point privately, and perhaps only on Futures, but since it seems to be a recent change, I'm doing the public service of pointing it out, while asking that it be adjusted back.

Re: Please change Mailman back to NOT force the rewrite for Reply-to

2011-10-15 Thread Glenn Sieb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/15/11 5:17 PM, Phil Regnauld wrote: John Peach (john-nanog) writes: Normally I'd have just made this point privately, and perhaps only on Futures, but since it seems to be a recent change, I'm doing the public service of pointing it out,

Re: [routing-wg] The Cidr Report

2011-10-15 Thread Hank Nussbacher
On Sat, 15 Oct 2011, Simon Leinen wrote: Ditto here. -Hank Geoff Huston writes: Does anyone give a s**t about this any more? I do; I check the weekly increase every week, and check who the top offenders are. If someone from my vicinity/circles is on the list (doesn't happen frequently;

Re: Please change Mailman back to NOT force the rewrite for Reply-to

2011-10-15 Thread Lynda
On 10/15/2011 3:23 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: - Original Message - From: Lyndashr...@deaddrop.org I see that someone has instructed Mailman to munge the reply-to. Please don't do that. I was about to make a *private* reply to someone, and realized that the setting had changed, and that

Re: Apple updates - Akamai effect

2011-10-15 Thread J
Simon Leinen wrote: Guess it was a good idea to upgrade that Akamai cluster's uplink to 10GE, even though 2*GE (or was it 4*GE) looked sufficient at the time. Remember folks, overprovisioning is a misnomer, it should be

Re: [routing-wg] The Cidr Report

2011-10-15 Thread joe...@bogus.com
I read it every week. It's a finger on the pulse of a system on which I am totally dependent... Geoff Huston g...@apnic.net wrote: Does anyone give a s**t about this any more? From what I learned at the latest NANOG it's very clear that nobody reads this any more. Is there any good reason

Re: [routing-wg] The Cidr Report

2011-10-15 Thread Randy Bush
I read it every week. It's a finger on the pulse of a system on which I am totally dependent... the email i want to see here is i wuz a polluter, but i read the cidr report, i haz seen the light, and i'm gonna stop polluting. no, i am not holding my breath. randy

Re: [routing-wg] The Cidr Report

2011-10-15 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
those who read it and follow routing best practicez will continue to do those, those who havent yet given a shit wont get a sudden dose of exlax after seeing their asn in it. --srs (iPad) On 16-Oct-2011, at 5:47, joe...@bogus.com joe...@bogus.com wrote: I read it every week. It's a finger

Re: Apple updates - Akamai effect

2011-10-15 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Oct 15, 2011, at 20:06, J na...@namor.ca wrote: Simon Leinen wrote: Guess it was a good idea to upgrade that Akamai cluster's uplink to 10GE, even though 2*GE (or was it 4*GE) looked sufficient at the time. Remember folks, overprovisioning is a misnomer, it should be called provisioning

13 years ago today - October 16, 1998...

2011-10-15 Thread Rodney Joffe
we lost Jon. It feels like just yesterday. http://www.apps.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2468.html

Re: 13 years ago today - October 16, 1998...

2011-10-15 Thread Randy
Yes..and we all owe him a debt of gratitude. --- On Sat, 10/15/11, Rodney Joffe rjo...@centergate.com wrote: From: Rodney Joffe rjo...@centergate.com Subject: 13 years ago today - October 16, 1998... To: nanog@nanog.org Date: Saturday, October 15, 2011, 7:14 PM we lost Jon. It feels like

Re: 13 years ago today - October 16, 1998...

2011-10-15 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Rodney Joffe rjo...@centergate.com Subject: 13 years ago today - October 16, 1998... we lost Jon. It feels like just yesterday. http://www.apps.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2468.html My path didn't cross Jon's much... but he was nice enough to reserve the really

Re: [Nanog] Ballot Confirmation

2011-10-15 Thread Randy Epstein
On 10/15/11 11:21 PM, Randy Epstein repst...@hostleasing.net wrote: Betty, I believe there was a problem with the voting system this past election. Proposed amendment 1, which I voted NO on, did not register. It does not show a vote in the ballot confirmation email (well, it just doesn't say

Re: [routing-wg] BGP Update Report

2011-10-15 Thread Skeeve Stevens
I read them all too. BUT, I get some 5 or 6 copies of them from all the lists I am on. I would rather subscribe to a list that was just for those. …Skeeve -- Skeeve Stevens, CEO - eintellego Pty Ltd ske...@eintellego.netmailto:ske...@eintellego.net ; www.eintellego.net Phone: 1300 753 383

Re: [routing-wg] BGP Update Report

2011-10-15 Thread Skeeve Stevens
John, Bit hard for Geoff to devnull them, he is the author ;-) …Skeeve -- Skeeve Stevens, CEO - eintellego Pty Ltd ske...@eintellego.netmailto:ske...@eintellego.net ; www.eintellego.net Phone: 1300 753 383 ; Fax: (+612) 8572 9954 Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve

Re: [routing-wg] BGP Update Report

2011-10-15 Thread Don Gould
I agree with Skeeve that it hits a number of lists, but I think that is a good thing and is of value. I agree with others who have said that there is any amount of worthless noise on lists and we can just filter if not required. Personally iirc, it was this content that led me to find

Re: [routing-wg] BGP Update Report

2011-10-15 Thread Charles N Wyble
On 10/15/2011 10:48 PM, Skeeve Stevens wrote: I read them all too. BUT, I get some 5 or 6 copies of them from all the lists I am on. I would rather subscribe to a list that was just for those. +1. Or an rss feed or something. That way interested folks could easily pull the data and stay up

Re: [routing-wg] BGP Update Report

2011-10-15 Thread Randy Bush
BUT, I get some 5 or 6 copies of them from all the lists I am on. I would rather subscribe to a list that was just for those. procmail is your friend # prevent dupes # :0 Whc: msgid.lock | formail -D 65536 msgid.cache :0 a:0 $TRASH

[routing-wg] The Cidr Report

2011-10-15 Thread Kyle Creyts
I may not read it for the purpose of aggregation, but it is useful data to me for other purposes. As long as there is one person talking and at least one person listening, a thread is in order, and it isn't spam. On Oct 15, 2011 3:25 PM, Geoff Huston g...@apnic.net wrote: From what I learned at

Re: [routing-wg] The Cidr Report

2011-10-15 Thread James McMurry
Ditto, and I do find it informative. Jim On Oct 15, 2011, at 10:35 PM, Kyle Creyts kyle.cre...@gmail.com wrote: I may not read it for the purpose of aggregation, but it is useful data to me for other purposes. As long as there is one person talking and at least one person listening, a