Re: [Nanog-futures] Welcome to the Marketing mailing list
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Query : seeking a (low cost secure) turnkey plug-and-play appliance to report network outages
I am seeking a $100 turnkey micro hardware appliance to plug into a LAN hub (behind a consumer-level cable modem) whose only purpose in life is to send heartbeat (and simple quality of service metrics) to a pre-configured central aggregation service on the WAN. Key requirement is the micro hardware appliance will be installed by non-technical elderly end-users -- so, it must be pre-configured and literally plug and play without need for the person installing the appliance to open a web browser to configure. And it must be a secure, good-reputation stand-alone hardware appliance ... because the heartbeat cannot / must not be a service installed on the end-user's computer where it becomes a support burden (e.g., did the end-user turn off their computer? Is their antivirus software blocking the outgoing heartbeat? That the end-user needs to enter a username/password/destination to enable the heartbeat, etc) There is a commercial turnkey solution that meets all the requirements except one -- that the solution cannot exceed $100 per remote appliance : http://www.myconnectionserver.com/learnmore/quality.html Question to the list: do you know of an alternative hardware solution under $100 that would suffice -- and be of such quality that an incumbent internet service provider will not thumb their nose at me when I call in to report remote users are down based upon the loss of heartbeats from the remote users? MOTIVATION FOR THE ABOVE Ten elderly neighbors to my mother in a rural area suffer frequent internet outages from their one (and only) incumbent cable internet service provider. All of them have learned they will encounter one of the following responses : You are the only one reporting a problem OR We need three reports before we take action OR We fixed it. You need to re-boot your modem. (moments later after rebooting cable modem). It must be your computer that is the problem. OR We know there is a problem. We'll send a crew out to repair the issue next week These 10 elderly neighbors are fuming ... and they recently formed a call tree -- so that when one person suffers an internet outage, they call other neighbors in the call tree to see if they too have an outage ... and if so, each calls in an outage report (often 20 minutes of being placed on hold) The call tree is working (somewhat) to improve accountability and response by the cable service provider ... but it is a waste of their time as there is no formal record of outage events to spur the provider to provide refunds for unscheduled service outages. Thus, I am seeking a turnkey quality of service micro appliance that automates (and documents) service outage notifications .. so as to allow me (living in a city and my being on a different internet service provider) to take on the role of calling the rural cable service provider and claim (with authority) that I know that 10 individuals systems (who have the heartbeat appliance installed) are down and that the cable service provider needs to fix the issue...
RE: Query : seeking a (low cost secure) turnkey plug-and-play appliance to report network outages
http://www.appneta.com/ might fit your need sets. Jesse Krembs - Data Network Architecture Planning FairPoint Communications | 800 Hinesburg Rd, South Burlington, VT 05403 | jkre...@fairpoint.com www.FairPoint.com| 802.951.1519 office | 802.735.4886 cell -Original Message- From: A. Chase Turner [mailto:ch...@stumpy.com] Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 7:59 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Query : seeking a (low cost secure) turnkey plug-and-play appliance to report network outages I am seeking a $100 turnkey micro hardware appliance to plug into a LAN hub (behind a consumer-level cable modem) whose only purpose in life is to send heartbeat (and simple quality of service metrics) to a pre-configured central aggregation service on the WAN. Key requirement is the micro hardware appliance will be installed by non-technical elderly end-users -- so, it must be pre-configured and literally plug and play without need for the person installing the appliance to open a web browser to configure. And it must be a secure, good-reputation stand-alone hardware appliance ... because the heartbeat cannot / must not be a service installed on the end-user's computer where it becomes a support burden (e.g., did the end-user turn off their computer? Is their antivirus software blocking the outgoing heartbeat? That the end-user needs to enter a username/password/destination to enable the heartbeat, etc) There is a commercial turnkey solution that meets all the requirements except one -- that the solution cannot exceed $100 per remote appliance : http://www.myconnectionserver.com/learnmore/quality.html Question to the list: do you know of an alternative hardware solution under $100 that would suffice -- and be of such quality that an incumbent internet service provider will not thumb their nose at me when I call in to report remote users are down based upon the loss of heartbeats from the remote users? MOTIVATION FOR THE ABOVE Ten elderly neighbors to my mother in a rural area suffer frequent internet outages from their one (and only) incumbent cable internet service provider. All of them have learned they will encounter one of the following responses : You are the only one reporting a problem OR We need three reports before we take action OR We fixed it. You need to re-boot your modem. (moments later after rebooting cable modem). It must be your computer that is the problem. OR We know there is a problem. We'll send a crew out to repair the issue next week These 10 elderly neighbors are fuming ... and they recently formed a call tree -- so that when one person suffers an internet outage, they call other neighbors in the call tree to see if they too have an outage ... and if so, each calls in an outage report (often 20 minutes of being placed on hold) The call tree is working (somewhat) to improve accountability and response by the cable service provider ... but it is a waste of their time as there is no formal record of outage events to spur the provider to provide refunds for unscheduled service outages. Thus, I am seeking a turnkey quality of service micro appliance that automates (and documents) service outage notifications .. so as to allow me (living in a city and my being on a different internet service provider) to take on the role of calling the rural cable service provider and claim (with authority) that I know that 10 individuals systems (who have the heartbeat appliance installed) are down and that the cable service provider needs to fix the issue... ___ This e-mail message and its attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipients. They may contain confidential information, legally privileged information or other information subject to legal restrictions. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, please do not read, copy, use or disclose this message or its attachments, notify the sender by replying to this message and delete or destroy all copies of this message and attachments in all media.
Re: Query : seeking a (low cost secure) turnkey plug-and-play appliance to report network outages
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011, A. Chase Turner wrote: I am seeking a $100 turnkey micro hardware appliance to plug into a LAN hub (behind a consumer-level cable modem) whose only purpose in life is to send heartbeat (and simple quality of service metrics) to a pre-configured central aggregation service on the WAN. It sounds like all you need is a preconfigured device that can boot up, be plugged into their LAN, do DHCP, and then talk to a remote monitoring station at configured intervals. If you're willing to do a bit of work pre-deployment, you could probably pick out an inexpensive DD-WRT/OpenWRT compatible device (i.e. WRT54GL, or maybe a more modern variant with more RAM/Flash) and with a tiny bit of scripting, you're done. Appneta looks even more appropriate, but I couldn't find anything about pricing on them. The WRT54GL is definitely sub $100. The trouble with this sort of thing is that from the docs, it seems alot of the hardware kind of sort of works mostly, and the manufacturers like to make serious enough changes with product revisions, such that you can't be sure a device will work based solely on the model number...you need to know what revision it is. -- Jon Lewis, MCP :) | I route Senior Network Engineer | therefore you are Atlantic Net| _ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_
economic value of low AS numbers
AS path geeks: At the risk of invoking ire and eliciting comparisons to the widely-reviled and growing practice of selling IPv4 addresses, I'm wondering if anyone has sold legacy AS numbers for quick cash. For example, NASA has AS23 among others, and does not use 23. Could they help fund a Mars mission study or two by offering it to the highest bidder? Or would they be lucky to top the $500 ARIN charges for a 32-bit ASN? How about AS1? Level3 uses a different AS. There's one nonpaying customer advertised from AS1, and despite their historical involvement creating the first predecessor of the internet, I bet DoD Network Information Center would be willing to use a different AS for the single prefix advertised by 1 now, if Level3 asked them nicely. Is Level3 leaving money on the table? I looked a bit for any transfer or change policy that might apply without success. Given these are legacy assignments, I have a feeling the POC could be changed without merger or acquisition, and I bet the AS descriptive name could be as well. I know I'd personally find a low AS number worth a pretty penny, if I could find a willing seller. I recognize there's no practical shortage of AS numbers. BGP's preference for low AS numbers doesn't come into play much. On the other hand, a low AS number can't hurt at the human level when negotiating peering or attracting customers. Cheers, Dave Hart
Re: economic value of low AS numbers
Hi Dave, On 17.11.2011 15:53, Dave Hart wrote: I recognize there's no practical shortage of AS numbers. BGP's preference for low AS numbers doesn't come into play much. On the other hand, a low AS number can't hurt at the human level when negotiating peering or attracting customers. Could you explain, what you mean with BGP's preference for low AS numbers. Sebastian
IP Options
Is it just me or has there been an increase in packets with IP options set hitting our front door? There are ways to mitigate e.g. IP options selective discard, and ACL IP options support. ACL entries on the edge appear to be the best way identify and log the source. IP options selective discard drops packets silently so from my view they are not as effective. Is anyone doing anything else to identify and mitigate? I have been seeing hits on our firewalls but would rather take care of it at our edge with little or no impact. Mike
Re: IP Options
got pcaps? On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:04 AM, harbor235 harbor...@gmail.com wrote: Is it just me or has there been an increase in packets with IP options set hitting our front door? There are ways to mitigate e.g. IP options selective discard, and ACL IP options support. ACL entries on the edge appear to be the best way identify and log the source. IP options selective discard drops packets silently so from my view they are not as effective. Is anyone doing anything else to identify and mitigate? I have been seeing hits on our firewalls but would rather take care of it at our edge with little or no impact. Mike
Re: IP Options
Sure, but mirroring a port on the edge may not be the best way to go, ACL hits and logs dumped to syslog may be the best approach. So if your capturing traffic how are you mitigating this traffic with minimal impact? Mike On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: got pcaps? On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:04 AM, harbor235 harbor...@gmail.com wrote: Is it just me or has there been an increase in packets with IP options set hitting our front door? There are ways to mitigate e.g. IP options selective discard, and ACL IP options support. ACL entries on the edge appear to be the best way identify and log the source. IP options selective discard drops packets silently so from my view they are not as effective. Is anyone doing anything else to identify and mitigate? I have been seeing hits on our firewalls but would rather take care of it at our edge with little or no impact. Mike
Re: economic value of low AS numbers
In a message written on Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 02:53:26PM +, Dave Hart wrote: I recognize there's no practical shortage of AS numbers. BGP's preference for low AS numbers doesn't come into play much. On the other hand, a low AS number can't hurt at the human level when negotiating peering or attracting customers. I think you are confusing a low ASN with a low router ID, or maybe low neighbor IP address. For a refresher, see: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk365/technologies_tech_note09186a0080094431.shtml A low ASN has no technical value, as far as I know. Socially perhaps some folks give additional respect/envy to those with low ASN's. There's an old joke in the peering community, ASN 3 digits, peer with them. ASN with 4 digits, think about peering with them. ASN with 5 digits, forget it. However, I do believe it's just a joke, I'm sure more folks peer with Akamai (20940) than with NASA (24). -- Leo Bicknell - bickn...@ufp.org - CCIE 3440 PGP keys at http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/ pgp0uCzbZBhUR.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: IP Options
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:17 AM, harbor235 harbor...@gmail.com wrote: Sure, but mirroring a port on the edge may not be the best way to go, ACL hits and logs dumped to syslog may be the best approach. So if your capturing traffic how are you mitigating this traffic with minimal impact? sorry, my question was: Do you have some pcaps, I'd be interested in seeing what sort of packets you are seeing with options added to them. I've seen things like mcast/pim/etc that will do this, and RSVP, I've not seen in-the-wild packets with options being a 'problem', though in theory they can be painful :( Some vendor gear has 'no ip-options' as an option...(which is really, 'ignore ip options', I believe), some has the ability to filter based on option(s). -chris Mike On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: got pcaps? On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:04 AM, harbor235 harbor...@gmail.com wrote: Is it just me or has there been an increase in packets with IP options set hitting our front door? There are ways to mitigate e.g. IP options selective discard, and ACL IP options support. ACL entries on the edge appear to be the best way identify and log the source. IP options selective discard drops packets silently so from my view they are not as effective. Is anyone doing anything else to identify and mitigate? I have been seeing hits on our firewalls but would rather take care of it at our edge with little or no impact. Mike
Bandwidth Upgrade
Greetings, My team is in the process of putting some documentation together to justify a bandwidth upgrade. I am asking if you would be willing to reply back to me, with how you decide that it is time to upgrade your bandwidth. On-line or off-line reply's will be acceptable. Thank You Daniel Bielawa Network Engineer Liberty University Network Services (434)592-7987 LIBERTY UNIVERSITY 40 Years of Training Champions for Christ: 1971-2011
Re: Bandwidth Upgrade
/lurk 40 Years of Training Champions for Christ: You would have thought they would have trained a /Network Engineer/, or two.. in those 40 years, wouldn't you ? ;-) lurk On 11/17/2011 10:30 AM, Bielawa, Daniel Walter wrote: Greetings, My team is in the process of putting some documentation together to justify a bandwidth upgrade. I am asking if you would be willing to reply back to me, with how you decide that it is time to upgrade your bandwidth. On-line or off-line reply's will be acceptable. Thank You Daniel Bielawa Network Engineer Liberty University Network Services (434)592-7987 LIBERTY UNIVERSITY 40 Years of Training Champions for Christ: 1971-2011
Re: Bandwidth Upgrade
Ideally, when our 95th-percentile hits 65% utilization, we begin the pricing and planning process and its up on peoples radar. Once the 95th-percentile hits 80-85% we start planning the maintenance and execute the upgrades. I say ideally, because in a perfect world this would happen 100% of the time. We try to upgrade when the 95th is at 80-85%, because the 95th-percentiles is based off 5-min polls, so I am sure traffic is spiking higher at peak times. Cheers.. ~Karl On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Bielawa, Daniel Walter dwbiel...@liberty.edu wrote: Greetings, My team is in the process of putting some documentation together to justify a bandwidth upgrade. I am asking if you would be willing to reply back to me, with how you decide that it is time to upgrade your bandwidth. On-line or off-line reply's will be acceptable. Thank You Daniel Bielawa Network Engineer Liberty University Network Services (434)592-7987 LIBERTY UNIVERSITY 40 Years of Training Champions for Christ: 1971-2011
Re: Bandwidth Upgrade
Start with why you think it's necessary and what happens if mgt doesn't listen. Bandwidth is like electricity in a sense. Either you have what you need or you go belly up until some utility company can give you more juice. If you notice a growth pattern and are trying to get in front of it that's obviously important. If you are approaching the point where a single link in redundant pairs can't handle the full load during an outage, that's important as well. Knowing how to use power point helps too (avoid animation). Maybe I don't understand the question but this is usually a no-brainer especially if there is an existing capacity management strategy. 2011/11/17 Bielawa, Daniel Walter dwbiel...@liberty.edu Greetings, My team is in the process of putting some documentation together to justify a bandwidth upgrade. I am asking if you would be willing to reply back to me, with how you decide that it is time to upgrade your bandwidth. On-line or off-line reply's will be acceptable. Thank You Daniel Bielawa Network Engineer Liberty University Network Services (434)592-7987 LIBERTY UNIVERSITY 40 Years of Training Champions for Christ: 1971-2011
Re: economic value of low AS numbers
Dave Hart wrote: AS path geeks: At the risk of invoking ire and eliciting comparisons to the widely-reviled and growing practice of selling IPv4 addresses, I'm wondering if anyone has sold legacy AS numbers for quick cash. I have heard first hand stories of folks being offered 5 figures for four digit ASN's in the past (and they did not sell btw). That was before ARIN started recycling unused short ASN's two years ago. There was a three month period in 2009 where almost every ASN assigned by ARIN was 1 as they burned through the backlog. - Kevin
Re: Bandwidth Upgrade
That depends on the network configuration though. If you have redundant links and one link is at 65% and the other is at 35% or more you won't be able to get through a circuit flap or outage without dropping packets. 2011/11/17 Karl Clapp kcl...@staff.gwi.net Ideally, when our 95th-percentile hits 65% utilization, we begin the pricing and planning process and its up on peoples radar. Once the 95th-percentile hits 80-85% we start planning the maintenance and execute the upgrades. I say ideally, because in a perfect world this would happen 100% of the time. We try to upgrade when the 95th is at 80-85%, because the 95th-percentiles is based off 5-min polls, so I am sure traffic is spiking higher at peak times. Cheers.. ~Karl On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Bielawa, Daniel Walter dwbiel...@liberty.edu wrote: Greetings, My team is in the process of putting some documentation together to justify a bandwidth upgrade. I am asking if you would be willing to reply back to me, with how you decide that it is time to upgrade your bandwidth. On-line or off-line reply's will be acceptable. Thank You Daniel Bielawa Network Engineer Liberty University Network Services (434)592-7987 LIBERTY UNIVERSITY 40 Years of Training Champions for Christ: 1971-2011
Re: economic value of low AS numbers
Besides standing at the water cooler at 1:23PM on 12/3 telling AS123 jokes I'm not sure a particular AS number has any relevance or any monetary value unless there is scarcity. 2011/11/17 Kevin Loch kl...@kl.net Dave Hart wrote: AS path geeks: At the risk of invoking ire and eliciting comparisons to the widely-reviled and growing practice of selling IPv4 addresses, I'm wondering if anyone has sold legacy AS numbers for quick cash. I have heard first hand stories of folks being offered 5 figures for four digit ASN's in the past (and they did not sell btw). That was before ARIN started recycling unused short ASN's two years ago. There was a three month period in 2009 where almost every ASN assigned by ARIN was 1 as they burned through the backlog. - Kevin
Re: Bandwidth Upgrade
Very true.. It is an open-ended question that can have many answers, especially without knowing their design... On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Keegan Holley keegan.hol...@sungard.comwrote: That depends on the network configuration though. If you have redundant links and one link is at 65% and the other is at 35% or more you won't be able to get through a circuit flap or outage without dropping packets. 2011/11/17 Karl Clapp kcl...@staff.gwi.net Ideally, when our 95th-percentile hits 65% utilization, we begin the pricing and planning process and its up on peoples radar. Once the 95th-percentile hits 80-85% we start planning the maintenance and execute the upgrades. I say ideally, because in a perfect world this would happen 100% of the time. We try to upgrade when the 95th is at 80-85%, because the 95th-percentiles is based off 5-min polls, so I am sure traffic is spiking higher at peak times. Cheers.. ~Karl On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Bielawa, Daniel Walter dwbiel...@liberty.edu wrote: Greetings, My team is in the process of putting some documentation together to justify a bandwidth upgrade. I am asking if you would be willing to reply back to me, with how you decide that it is time to upgrade your bandwidth. On-line or off-line reply's will be acceptable. Thank You Daniel Bielawa Network Engineer Liberty University Network Services (434)592-7987 LIBERTY UNIVERSITY 40 Years of Training Champions for Christ: 1971-2011
Comcast DNS Contact?
Could a Comcast DNS admin please contact me off-list? We're seeing lots of queries from local Comcast resolvers for a domain which we haven't hosted in nearly a year. Thanks, Steve
Re: Query : seeking a (low cost secure) turnkey plug-and-play appliance to report network outages
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 06:58:46AM -0600, A. Chase Turner wrote: I am seeking a $100 turnkey micro hardware appliance to plug into a LAN hub (behind a consumer-level cable modem) whose only purpose in life is to send heartbeat (and simple quality of service metrics) to a pre-configured central aggregation service on the WAN. Question to the list: do you know of an alternative hardware solution under $100 that would suffice -- and be of such quality that an incumbent internet service provider will not thumb their nose at me when I call in to report remote users are down based upon the loss of heartbeats from the remote users? Pretty much any programmable/flashable little device would be sufficient, I think. Besides WRTG wireless routers as mentioned elsewhere, the smallest device I've set up so far was one of those Seagate docking stations (I think it was a FreeAgent?) which I got for $25 new; flashing it to Linux was straightforward, albeit non-trivial. Other cheap devices that are potentially flashable abound (Raspberry Pi, anyone?), including possibly teensy terminal servers, IP phones, used eBay old smartphone with a cracked screen for $20, etc. The ability to run PoE might also be an attractive feature. The call tree is working (somewhat) to improve accountability and response by the cable service provider ... but it is a waste of their time as there is no formal record of outage events to spur the provider to provide refunds for unscheduled service outages. Thus, I am seeking a turnkey quality of service micro appliance that automates (and documents) service outage notifications .. so as to allow me (living in a city and my being on a different internet service provider) to take on the role of calling the rural cable service provider and claim (with authority) that I know that 10 individuals systems (who have the heartbeat appliance installed) are down and that the cable service provider needs to fix the issue... In this scenario, it sounds like you're depending on end-to-end connectivity, so remember that loss of ping/heartbeat isn't a guarantee that the failure isn't due to something else, though... -- Henry Yen Aegis Information Systems, Inc. Senior Systems Programmer Hicksville, New York
Re: Query : seeking a (low cost secure) turnkey plug-and-play appliance to report network outages
I will second the WRT54GL with OpenWRT. I have a number of them deployed. I run an OpenVPN tunnel from the WRT54GL to a Linux server at our shop so I can remotely log into the box and carry out any tests or changes needed. On 11/17/2011 6:21 AM, Jon Lewis wrote: On Thu, 17 Nov 2011, A. Chase Turner wrote: I am seeking a $100 turnkey micro hardware appliance to plug into a LAN hub (behind a consumer-level cable modem) whose only purpose in life is to send heartbeat (and simple quality of service metrics) to a pre-configured central aggregation service on the WAN. It sounds like all you need is a preconfigured device that can boot up, be plugged into their LAN, do DHCP, and then talk to a remote monitoring station at configured intervals. If you're willing to do a bit of work pre-deployment, you could probably pick out an inexpensive DD-WRT/OpenWRT compatible device (i.e. WRT54GL, or maybe a more modern variant with more RAM/Flash) and with a tiny bit of scripting, you're done. Appneta looks even more appropriate, but I couldn't find anything about pricing on them. The WRT54GL is definitely sub $100. The trouble with this sort of thing is that from the docs, it seems alot of the hardware kind of sort of works mostly, and the manufacturers like to make serious enough changes with product revisions, such that you can't be sure a device will work based solely on the model number...you need to know what revision it is. -- Jon Lewis, MCP :) | I route Senior Network Engineer | therefore you are Atlantic Net| _ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_
Re: Query : seeking a (low cost secure) turnkey plug-and-play appliance to report network outages
Le Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:59:46 -0800, Roy r.engehau...@gmail.com a écrit : I will second the WRT54GL with OpenWRT. That's one possibility. Any router compatible with OpenWRT would do an acceptable job. Another possibility may be more interesting : http://pcengines.ch/alix3d2.htm These ones are cheap (around 70 $ iirc), very low-consumption (around 5W), can use PoE, and you can put a lot of systems on it. From Debian to FreeBSD, OpenBSD... And it is quite powerful, so easy to use for something else (I use some as backup servers, with a USB disk, for very cheap systems).
Re: economic value of low AS numbers
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 15:22, Leo Bicknell bickn...@ufp.org wrote: In a message written on Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 02:53:26PM +, Dave Hart wrote: I recognize there's no practical shortage of AS numbers. BGP's preference for low AS numbers doesn't come into play much. On the other hand, a low AS number can't hurt at the human level when negotiating peering or attracting customers. I think you are confusing a low ASN with a low router ID, or maybe low neighbor IP address. For a refresher, see: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk365/technologies_tech_note09186a0080094431.shtml A low ASN has no technical value, as far as I know. I am exposed! I have never connected to a router that wasn't a looking glass. I am not worthy... I did try to hide that fact by doing a little research. I was fooled by: Prefer the route learned from the BGP speaker with the numerically lowest BGP identifier and (mis)interpreted BGP identifier as ASN. Socially perhaps some folks give additional respect/envy to those with low ASN's. There's an old joke in the peering community, ASN 3 digits, peer with them. ASN with 4 digits, think about peering with them. ASN with 5 digits, forget it. However, I do believe it's just a joke, I'm sure more folks peer with Akamai (20940) than with NASA (24). That's both funny and helpful, thanks. Dave Hart
Re: Query : seeking a (low cost secure) turnkey plug-and-play appliance to report network outages
On 11/17/11 4:58 AM, A. Chase Turner wrote: I am seeking a $100 turnkey micro hardware appliance to plug into a LAN hub (behind a consumer-level cable modem) whose only purpose in life is to send heartbeat (and simple quality of service metrics) to a pre-configured central aggregation service on the WAN. Key requirement is the micro hardware appliance will be installed by non-technical elderly end-users -- so, it must be pre-configured and literally plug and play without need for the person installing the appliance to open a web browser to configure. And it must be a secure, good-reputation stand-alone hardware appliance ... because the heartbeat cannot / must not be a service installed on the end-user's computer where it becomes a support burden (e.g., did the end-user turn off their computer? Is their antivirus software blocking the outgoing heartbeat? That the end-user needs to enter a username/password/destination to enable the heartbeat, etc) Mikrotik RouterBoards are low cost and robust. It can be scripted to do things like call a specific URL every X minutes. Some models have just a single Ethernet port as well (they're designed to be used as a wireless AP/CPE with an add-in mini PCI card) for even less confusion about plugging it in. ~Seth
Re: economic value of low AS numbers
On Nov 17, 2011, at 6:53 AM, Dave Hart wrote: AS path geeks: At the risk of invoking ire and eliciting comparisons to the widely-reviled and growing practice of selling IPv4 addresses, I'm wondering if anyone has sold legacy AS numbers for quick cash. For example, NASA has AS23 among others, and does not use 23. Could they help fund a Mars mission study or two by offering it to the highest bidder? Or would they be lucky to top the $500 ARIN charges for a 32-bit ASN? ARIN also charges $500 for 16 bit ASNs and still has those available. I recognize there's no practical shortage of AS numbers. BGP's preference for low AS numbers doesn't come into play much. On the other hand, a low AS number can't hurt at the human level when negotiating peering or attracting customers. ARIN policy does not currently support the transfer of AS numbers in this manner. IMHO, it shouldn't, but, there is a policy proposal to do so. I suggest that anyone interested in this subject review the proposal and join the discussion on arin-ppml. Owen (Speaking only for myself and not on behalf of the ARIN AC)
Fwd: Welcome to the Marketing mailing list
Um, Can someone explain this one to me? 1. Why was such a list created? 2. Why was I automatically subscribed to it? 3. Why was this done without notice to the community? Thanks, Owen Begin forwarded message: From: marketing-requ...@nanog.org Date: November 17, 2011 7:17:00 AM PST To: o...@delong.com Subject: Welcome to the Marketing mailing list Welcome to the market...@nanog.org mailing list! To post to this list, send your message to: market...@nanog.org General information about the mailing list is at: https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your subscription page at: https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/options/marketing/owen%40delong.com
Re: Bandwidth Upgrade
Yes, lot's of missing pieces here. It depends on your tolerance for delayed and dropped packets during periods of high usage, connection media type, speeds we're talking about, who your users are, and the applications you must support. Generally if your graphs says 75% peak usage, you should have upgraded. If you're output drop counters are unacceptable you also need an upgrade. However cases with a a subrate access network (IE: users capped at 5 meg, on a 1000 megabit upstream pipe) can get away with running closer to capacity a lot more than those with a few enterprise bursty customers who can single handidly burst 50% of your upstream), and demand no dropped or delayed traffic in their SLAs. Also consider failover issues if you're redundantly connected. On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Karl Clapp kcl...@staff.gwi.net wrote: Very true.. It is an open-ended question that can have many answers, especially without knowing their design... On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Keegan Holley keegan.hol...@sungard.comwrote: That depends on the network configuration though. If you have redundant links and one link is at 65% and the other is at 35% or more you won't be able to get through a circuit flap or outage without dropping packets. 2011/11/17 Karl Clapp kcl...@staff.gwi.net Ideally, when our 95th-percentile hits 65% utilization, we begin the pricing and planning process and its up on peoples radar. Once the 95th-percentile hits 80-85% we start planning the maintenance and execute the upgrades. I say ideally, because in a perfect world this would happen 100% of the time. We try to upgrade when the 95th is at 80-85%, because the 95th-percentiles is based off 5-min polls, so I am sure traffic is spiking higher at peak times. Cheers.. ~Karl On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Bielawa, Daniel Walter dwbiel...@liberty.edu wrote: Greetings, My team is in the process of putting some documentation together to justify a bandwidth upgrade. I am asking if you would be willing to reply back to me, with how you decide that it is time to upgrade your bandwidth. On-line or off-line reply's will be acceptable. Thank You Daniel Bielawa Network Engineer Liberty University Network Services (434)592-7987 LIBERTY UNIVERSITY 40 Years of Training Champions for Christ: 1971-2011
Re: Fwd: Welcome to the Marketing mailing list
On 11/17/2011 9:35 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: Um, Can someone explain this one to me? 1. Why was such a list created? 2. Why was I automatically subscribed to it? 3. Why was this done without notice to the community? Before this erupts in yet another thread, this was already asked (and answered) on Futures. Betty had an oops moment this morning, and has since repaired it. Followups to Futures. -- You've confused equality of opportunity for equality of outcomes, and have seriously confused justice with equality. (Woodchuck)
Re: Welcome to the Marketing mailing list
So Sorry Owen, as explained earlier, my mistake in list management! All resolved and those members added to the wrong list have been removed. Again sorry for the email noise. Sincerely, Betty On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: Um, Can someone explain this one to me? 1. Why was such a list created? 2. Why was I automatically subscribed to it? 3. Why was this done without notice to the community? Thanks, Owen Begin forwarded message: From: marketing-requ...@nanog.org Date: November 17, 2011 7:17:00 AM PST To: o...@delong.com Subject: Welcome to the Marketing mailing list Welcome to the market...@nanog.org mailing list! To post to this list, send your message to: market...@nanog.org General information about the mailing list is at: https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your subscription page at: https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/options/marketing/owen%40delong.com -- Betty Burke NewNOG/NANOG Executive Director Office (810) 214-1218 Direct (510) 492-4030
Re: economic value of low AS numbers
On Nov 17, 2011, at 9:44 AM, Dave Hart wrote: On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 17:32, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: ARIN policy does not currently support the transfer of AS numbers in this manner. IMHO, it shouldn't, but, there is a policy proposal to do so. I suggest that anyone interested in this subject review the proposal and join the discussion on arin-ppml. Owen (Speaking only for myself and not on behalf of the ARIN AC) Thanks. My policy search was focused on arin.net, but I didn't find what you apparently know. In particular, there's no reference to transfer of AS numbers in the NRPM, nor could I find any policy or procedure regarding updating POC or any other information associated with an AS registration. Do keep in mind I was referring specifically to legacy AS numbers, where it is not clear to me ARIN policy would control, particularly in the case of a merger or acquisition. ARIN is the successor registry to the prior registries that distributed AS Numbers, so, I believe that they are subject to ARIN policy. I realize there are others that have different opinions, but I really don't want to engage in that debate here. ARIN policy currently does not provide for transfer of AS numbers other than through NRPM 8.2 for merger/acquisition. Martin Hannigan proposed the following: http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/2011-September/023136.html which is on the AC docket as Proposal 158. Personally, I do not favor this proposal. I don't think there is good reason to allow the transfer of ASNs and I think that allowing transfers of IPv6 numbers is a really bad idea. However, anyone with an interest in this proposal, whether in favor or opposed should bring their opinion to arin-ppml. Would you refer me to the current ARIN policy regarding transfers of or updates to ASN registrations? Updates are processed through the standard ARIN-online process like updates to any other number resources. If you want additional assistance on that, I suggest contacting the registration services help desk by phone (703-227-0660) or email (hostmas...@arin.net). Owen
Re: Fwd: Welcome to the Marketing mailing list
On Thu, 2011-11-17 at 09:35 -0800, Owen DeLong wrote: Can someone explain this one to me? 1. Why was such a list created? 2. Why was I automatically subscribed to it? 3. Why was this done without notice to the community? Thanks, This has a lot of us wondering the same as Owen. This is also not typical of how NANOG does things. Hopefully as the day progresses we will get some insight. Richard Golodner
Re: economic value of low AS numbers
On Nov 17, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Keegan Holley wrote: Besides standing at the water cooler at 1:23PM on 12/3 telling AS123 jokes I'm not sure a particular AS number has any relevance or any monetary value unless there is scarcity. You are discounting (pun intended) vanity and marketing. I am no longer surprised at what people will be willing to pay (sometimes astonishing amounts of) money for. Regards, -drc
Re: Welcome to the Marketing mailing list
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:59:38 EST, Betty Burke be...@nanog.org said: So Sorry Owen, as explained earlier, my mistake in list management! All resolved and those members added to the wrong list have been removed. It's OK.. Everybody's entitled to at least one low-caffeine low-impact faux pax a year. ;) pgpZOGivvUcaC.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: economic value of low AS numbers
At 10:21 17/11/2011 -0800, David Conrad wrote: On Nov 17, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Keegan Holley wrote: Besides standing at the water cooler at 1:23PM on 12/3 telling AS123 jokes I'm not sure a particular AS number has any relevance or any monetary value unless there is scarcity. You are discounting (pun intended) vanity and marketing. I am no longer surprised at what people will be willing to pay (sometimes astonishing amounts of) money for. AS-envy. -Hank
Re: Fwd: Welcome to the Marketing mailing list
Everyone: This was truly just a honest mistake on my part. You are all right, should not have happened and I apologize. market...@nanog.org is a list used in connection with Sponsorship inquiries/activity. refer to http://www.nanog.org/sponsors/ Membership of market...@nanog.or is the Development Committee and NANOG Staff. As I indicated, I was planning to update the members@nanog,org list, and just happened to be in the wrong interface. All best. Betty On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Richard Golodner rgolod...@infratection.com wrote: On Thu, 2011-11-17 at 09:35 -0800, Owen DeLong wrote: Can someone explain this one to me? 1. Why was such a list created? 2. Why was I automatically subscribed to it? 3. Why was this done without notice to the community? Thanks, This has a lot of us wondering the same as Owen. This is also not typical of how NANOG does things. Hopefully as the day progresses we will get some insight. Richard Golodner -- Betty Burke NewNOG/NANOG Executive Director Office (810) 214-1218 Direct (510) 492-4030
RE: OT -- seeking a knowledgable AS 701 technical contact.
Hi! Now that you have my email address, ping me offline and I'll see if I can help. --Heather ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Heather Schiller Network Security - Verizon Business 1.800.900.0241secur...@verizonbusiness.com -Original Message- From: Robert Bonomi [mailto:bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 5:36 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: OT -- seeking a knowledgable AS 701 technical contact. Apologies for the noise, but I have been absolutely unable -- despite literally *hours* of trying --to contact anyone at _any_ of the published Verizon Business phone numbers who has any comprehension of what I am talking about -- to wit: I am looking for someone with _any_ awareness/knowledge of Verizon Business's public-access anonymous FTP server, with the hostname 'ftp.uu.net'. The published Verizon Business technical contact number -- both in 'whois' for uu.net, and Jared's NOC contact list is only the 'ticket center', and won't open a ticket for someone who is not Verizon customer. Customer service doesn't know what 'ftp' is, and vacillates between thinking it is a circuit problem, or that I am having a problem with -my- domain. Call-transfer to 'technical support' was answered by someone handling 'delinquent payments'. Another transfer attempt ended up on somebody's cell phone.
Re: economic value of low AS numbers
2011/11/17 David Conrad d...@virtualized.org On Nov 17, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Keegan Holley wrote: Besides standing at the water cooler at 1:23PM on 12/3 telling AS123 jokes I'm not sure a particular AS number has any relevance or any monetary value unless there is scarcity. You are discounting (pun intended) vanity and marketing. I am no longer surprised at what people will be willing to pay (sometimes astonishing amounts of) money for. I suppose I can't argue with that, but anyone technical enough to know what an AS is should know better. Also, would it really count? What if I opened a small ISP in some carrier hotel and paid 1000 bucks for AS 1. I'm not sure I'd want to sign a contract with someone dumb enough to think I was the first company on the internet.
Re: economic value of low AS numbers
/lurk Since AS1 (BBNPLANET) was bought for around 666 million way back when, as I recall.. your 1k purchase would be -outstanding-. lurk On 11/17/2011 01:55 PM, Keegan Holley wrote: 2011/11/17 David Conradd...@virtualized.org On Nov 17, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Keegan Holley wrote: Besides standing at the water cooler at 1:23PM on 12/3 telling AS123 jokes I'm not sure a particular AS number has any relevance or any monetary value unless there is scarcity. You are discounting (pun intended) vanity and marketing. I am no longer surprised at what people will be willing to pay (sometimes astonishing amounts of) money for. I suppose I can't argue with that, but anyone technical enough to know what an AS is should know better. Also, would it really count? What if I opened a small ISP in some carrier hotel and paid 1000 bucks for AS 1. I'm not sure I'd want to sign a contract with someone dumb enough to think I was the first company on the internet.
Re: Fwd: Welcome to the Marketing mailing list
To echo what Betty said and address an unspoken concern: market...@nanog.org is the mailing list (and external interface?) for the folks who make sure that there are good cookies and other break goodies, beer-n-gear sponsors, meeting hosts, etc. It is most assuredly not a spamming list, which I suppose is probably what went through folks' minds when they got that email. I know that's what I would be wondering if I randomly got that kind of mail with no background info. If you've ever been unfortunate enough to manage Mailman, you're probably as astonished as I am that this sort of pilot error doesn't happen more often. :-) Now that that's out of the way, if you think you might have something to contribute to the community (marketing or otherwise) they're always looking for volunteers... so maybe you *want* to be on that mailing list - the community will be grateful. -R (former Board, fomrer MLC) Betty Burke be...@nanog.org be...@newnog.org writes: Everyone: This was truly just a honest mistake on my part. You are all right, should not have happened and I apologize. market...@nanog.org is a list used in connection with Sponsorship inquiries/activity. refer to http://www.nanog.org/sponsors/ Membership of market...@nanog.or is the Development Committee and NANOG Staff. As I indicated, I was planning to update the members@nanog,org list, and just happened to be in the wrong interface. All best. Betty On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Richard Golodner rgolod...@infratection.com wrote: On Thu, 2011-11-17 at 09:35 -0800, Owen DeLong wrote: Can someone explain this one to me? 1. Why was such a list created? 2. Why was I automatically subscribed to it? 3. Why was this done without notice to the community? Thanks, This has a lot of us wondering the same as Owen. This is also not typical of how NANOG does things. Hopefully as the day progresses we will get some insight. Richard Golodner -- Betty Burke NewNOG/NANOG Executive Director Office (810) 214-1218 Direct (510) 492-4030
Re: economic value of low AS numbers
On Nov 17, 2011, at 10:55 AM, Keegan Holley wrote: You are discounting (pun intended) vanity and marketing. I am no longer surprised at what people will be willing to pay (sometimes astonishing amounts of) money for. I suppose I can't argue with that, but anyone technical enough to know what an AS is should know better. whois -h whois.arin.net 42 :-) (no idea if any money changed hands) Regards, -drc
Re: economic value of low AS numbers
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 18:55, Keegan Holley keegan.hol...@sungard.com wrote: I suppose I can't argue with that, but anyone technical enough to know what an AS is should know better. Also, would it really count? What if I opened a small ISP in some carrier hotel and paid 1000 bucks for AS 1. I'm not sure I'd want to sign a contract with someone dumb enough to think I was the first company on the internet. Did you intend to say the first autonomous system number assigned for use on ARPAnet? Pedantically yours, Dave Hart
Re: economic value of low AS numbers
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:55:46 EST, Keegan Holley said: I suppose I can't argue with that, but anyone technical enough to know what an AS is should know better. Also, would it really count? What if I opened a small ISP in some carrier hotel and paid 1000 bucks for AS 1. I'm not sure I'd want to sign a contract with someone dumb enough to think I was the first company on the internet. On the other hand, if you are unable to sign said contract on *very* favorable terms, maybe *you* shouldn't be signing contracts. :) pgpMfI22kPUBE.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: economic value of low AS numbers
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 19:08, David Conrad d...@virtualized.org wrote: whois -h whois.arin.net 42 RFC 943: 42 THINK-AS [BJN1] [BJN1]Bruce Nemnich TMC b...@mit-mc.arpa I have no idea which registry was maintaining AS number registrations when AS42 changed hands. I suppose it's possible the current registrant acquired or merged with whatever entity THINK refers to, but I doubt it, so it seems likely at least at one time transfers were reflected in updated registrations. I bet Douglas would have been tickled. Cheers, Dave Hart
Re: economic value of low AS numbers
2011/11/17 Dave Hart daveh...@gmail.com On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 18:55, Keegan Holley keegan.hol...@sungard.com wrote: I suppose I can't argue with that, but anyone technical enough to know what an AS is should know better. Also, would it really count? What if I opened a small ISP in some carrier hotel and paid 1000 bucks for AS 1. I'm not sure I'd want to sign a contract with someone dumb enough to think I was the first company on the internet. Did you intend to say the first autonomous system number assigned for use on ARPAnet? Pedantically yours, I have to admit I wasn't sure. I know ARPAnet predated BGP and EGP I believe so I wasn't sure if there were ASN's then.
Re: economic value of low AS numbers
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 07:30:17PM +, Dave Hart wrote: 42 THINK-AS [BJN1] [BJN1]Bruce Nemnich TMC b...@mit-mc.arpa I have no idea which registry was maintaining AS number registrations when AS42 changed hands. I suppose it's possible the current registrant acquired or merged with whatever entity THINK refers to, THINK, TMC and MIT give strong hints towards Thinking Machines Corporation, a once-famous vendor of pretty supercomputers. :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thinking_Machines_Corporation Best regards, Daniel -- CLUE-RIPE -- Jabber: d...@cluenet.de -- dr@IRCnet -- PGP: 0xA85C8AA0
Re: economic value of low AS numbers
Updates are processed through the standard ARIN-online process like updates to any other number resources. If you want additional assistance on that, I suggest contacting the registration services help desk by phone (703-227-0660) or email (hostmas...@arin.net). I was looking for policy, not actually attempting to change registration information for a specific AS, and I think you've provided it. It is a common misconception that these contact points are only for making changes. The folks at ARIN are actually quite helpful in answering policy questions and helping folks navigate or understand the various ARIN processes. My policy information may not be complete and may or may not address your specific needs. The ARIN staff is a much more authoritative source. Owen
Re: economic value of low AS numbers
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thinking_Machines_Corporation Assets acquired by Sun Microsystems do maybe Oracle today. -b Sent from my iPhone On Nov 17, 2011, at 14:30, Dave Hart daveh...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 19:08, David Conrad d...@virtualized.org wrote: whois -h whois.arin.net 42 RFC 943: 42 THINK-AS [BJN1] [BJN1]Bruce Nemnich TMC b...@mit-mc.arpa I have no idea which registry was maintaining AS number registrations when AS42 changed hands. I suppose it's possible the current registrant acquired or merged with whatever entity THINK refers to, but I doubt it, so it seems likely at least at one time transfers were reflected in updated registrations. I bet Douglas would have been tickled. Cheers, Dave Hart
CDN locations for US eyeball networks
Hello NANOGers. I am in the process of scouting for CDN node locations for content delivery to end users in the US. Currently looking at Seattle, Los Angeles, Dallas, Chicago, Miami and New York. Would much appreciate any recommendations, best practices or advice on how/where to get good connectivity to the large eyeball networks. Being small fish, connectivity will be based on the transit I can score or in general connectivity that DCs/server providers offer in the locations chosen. John
Re: Bandwidth Upgrade
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011, Bielawa, Daniel Walter wrote: My team is in the process of putting some documentation together to justify a bandwidth upgrade. I am asking if you would be willing to reply back to me, with how you decide that it is time to upgrade your bandwidth. On-line or off-line reply's will be acceptable. Capacity planning is one of those things that (can) fall into the technical, business, and political aspects of network engineering. Addressing the technical aspects is pretty straightforward. The first thing is having data to show how much of your bandwidth you're using now. Even something as basic as a set of MRTG (not knocking MRTG at all) graphs. If you have that, or data from some other package, then that's a good start. If they show things like saturation of your existing pipe, then that's an important data point to share with your management, because flat-topping has a tendency to turn into sluggish performance and unhappy customers pretty quickly. I would agree with other posters that we start looking at capacity upgrades when we get to about 65% usage, and have the upgrades completed before we get to 80-85%. Depending on what size pipes you have now, you can also possibly significantly reduce your cost per Mb/s, though this depends a lot on your location and what sort of comms facilities are in your area. Don't be afraid to call some carriers and get quotes. Having historical data that shows the growth of your bandwidth needs is even more useful, to a point. The reason I said to a point, is because a straight graph of inbound and outbound traffic doesn't answer questions about what is going on that is driving traffic growth. At that point, you start getting into the realm of traffic analysis. Addressing the business aspects starts to get into areas that we (people on NANOG) can only offer generic advice, because you would know how to present the business case for an upgrade to your management better than we would. For example, if keeping customer complaints about network performance as low as possible is a business priority, then showing reports of related trouble tickets your helpdesk has received from your user base might be another important data point as well. Also keep in mind that what might start out as we need more bandwidth could turn into other costs as well. A larger pipe might mean you need a new interface card for your router, or other upgrades to the internal network to make use of that larger external pipe. Most managers I've worked with would rather get the bad news (requests for money) all at once, so they only have to 'go to the well' one time, rather than making requests for money to upgrade the pipe, then another request for the new interface card, etc. That also starts to get you into the possibly political aspects of working through your business environment. Hope this helps. jms
Re: CDN locations for US eyeball networks
Hi John, Take a look at - http://as7018.peeringdb.com http://as701.peeringdb.com http://as7922.peeringdb.com http://as7843.peeringdb.com http://as22773.peeringdb.com http://as20115.peeringdb.com Most list interconnect locations, others have policy pointers which list cities of interest. Cheers, -ren On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:30 PM, John Bell john_c.b...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello NANOGers. I am in the process of scouting for CDN node locations for content delivery to end users in the US. Currently looking at Seattle, Los Angeles, Dallas, Chicago, Miami and New York. Would much appreciate any recommendations, best practices or advice on how/where to get good connectivity to the large eyeball networks. Being small fish, connectivity will be based on the transit I can score or in general connectivity that DCs/server providers offer in the locations chosen. John
Re: Welcome to the Marketing mailing list
- Original Message - From: Richard Golodner rgolod...@infratection.com 1. Why was such a list created? 2. Why was I automatically subscribed to it? 3. Why was this done without notice to the community? This has a lot of us wondering the same as Owen. This is also not typical of how NANOG does things. Hopefully as the day progresses we will get some insight. My, but there are a lot of people, in my best friend's favorite phrase, spring loaded to the pissed-off position. I didn't think NANOGers were quite so prone to recreational indignation... Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink j...@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://baylink.pitas.com 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274
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Re: CDN locations for US eyeball networks
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:30 PM, John Bell john_c.b...@yahoo.com wrote: I am in the process of scouting for CDN node locations for content delivery to end users in the US. Currently looking at Seattle, Los Angeles, Dallas, Chicago, Miami and New York. Hi John, Add Northern Virginia to the list. Then move it to the top. Historically, telecommunications on the US east coast hubbed in NoVA, just outside Washington DC, making it an attractive area for early Internet peering points like MAE-East. That has evolved over the past decade but NoVA still holds a commanding position in Internet interconnectivity. There are a number of local data centers most interconnected by multiple dark fiber providers. The most connected is probably Equinix in Ashburn VA. YMMV as to whether its cost-effective for a small fish. Regards, Bill Herrin -- William D. Herrin her...@dirtside.com b...@herrin.us 3005 Crane Dr. .. Web: http://bill.herrin.us/ Falls Church, VA 22042-3004
Re: economic value of low AS numbers
- Original Message - From: Dave Hart daveh...@gmail.com On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 19:08, David Conrad d...@virtualized.org wrote: whois -h whois.arin.net 42 RFC 943: 42 THINK-AS [BJN1] [BJN1] Bruce Nemnich TMC b...@mit-mc.arpa I have no idea which registry was maintaining AS number registrations when AS42 changed hands. I suppose it's possible the current registrant acquired or merged with whatever entity THINK refers to, but I doubt it, so it seems likely at least at one time transfers were reflected in updated registrations. I'd be shocked, shocked I tell... oh, yes; put the money over here please. Shocked, I tell you, if that wasn't Thinking Machines Corp., which was formed by MIT grads, as I remember it. The real question is whether it was issued after HHGTTG. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink j...@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://baylink.pitas.com 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274
Re: economic value of low AS numbers
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: The real question is whether it was issued after HHGTTG. HHGTTG first appeared on the BBC in 1978. Thinking Machines Corporation was formed in 1982. As far as I can tell the first BGP RFC is 1105 and was published in 1989. -- Jeff Ollie
Re: Query : seeking a (low cost secure) turnkey plug-and-play appliance to report network outages
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 7:58 AM, A. Chase Turner ch...@stumpy.com wrote: I am seeking a $100 turnkey micro hardware appliance to plug into a LAN hub (behind a consumer-level cable modem) whose only purpose in life is to send heartbeat (and simple quality of service metrics) to a pre-configured central aggregation service on the WAN. Key requirement is the micro hardware appliance will be installed by non-technical elderly end-users -- so, it must be pre-configured and literally plug and play without need for the person installing the appliance to open a web browser to configure. And it must be a secure, good-reputation stand-alone hardware appliance ... because the heartbeat cannot / must not be a service installed on the end-user's computer where it becomes a support burden (e.g., did the end-user turn off their computer? Is their antivirus software blocking the outgoing heartbeat? That the end-user needs to enter a username/password/destination to enable the heartbeat, etc) There is a commercial turnkey solution that meets all the requirements except one -- that the solution cannot exceed $100 per remote appliance : http://www.myconnectionserver.com/learnmore/quality.html Question to the list: do you know of an alternative hardware solution under $100 that would suffice -- and be of such quality that an incumbent internet service provider will not thumb their nose at me when I call in to report remote users are down based upon the loss of heartbeats from the remote users? MOTIVATION FOR THE ABOVE Ten elderly neighbors to my mother in a rural area suffer frequent internet outages from their one (and only) incumbent cable internet service provider. All of them have learned they will encounter one of the following responses : You are the only one reporting a problem OR We need three reports before we take action OR We fixed it. You need to re-boot your modem. (moments later after rebooting cable modem). It must be your computer that is the problem. OR We know there is a problem. We'll send a crew out to repair the issue next week These 10 elderly neighbors are fuming ... and they recently formed a call tree -- so that when one person suffers an internet outage, they call other neighbors in the call tree to see if they too have an outage ... and if so, each calls in an outage report (often 20 minutes of being placed on hold) The call tree is working (somewhat) to improve accountability and response by the cable service provider ... but it is a waste of their time as there is no formal record of outage events to spur the provider to provide refunds for unscheduled service outages. Thus, I am seeking a turnkey quality of service micro appliance that automates (and documents) service outage notifications .. so as to allow me (living in a city and my being on a different internet service provider) to take on the role of calling the rural cable service provider and claim (with authority) that I know that 10 individuals systems (who have the heartbeat appliance installed) are down and that the cable service provider needs to fix the issue... OpenWRT running on one of these: http://embeddedtimes.blogspot.com/2011/09/tp-link-tl-wr703n-tiny-linux-capable.html I ordered mine from the Volume Rates link: http://www.volumerates.com/product/genuine-tp-link-tl-wr703n-150m-11n-mini-wifi-wireless-router-for-instant-wifi-connection-99273 You could order all 10 for around $180 + shipping (straight from Hong Kong). I have two, they're pretty awesome and potentially useful for all kinds of things... -- Kristian Kielhofner
Re: economic value of low AS numbers
Jeffrey Ollie j...@ocjtech.us writes: On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: The real question is whether it was issued after HHGTTG. HHGTTG first appeared on the BBC in 1978. Thinking Machines Corporation was formed in 1982. As far as I can tell the first BGP RFC is 1105 and was published in 1989. http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc827 -r
Re: Welcome to the Marketing mailing list
On Nov 17, 2011, at 3:47 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: - Original Message - From: Richard Golodner rgolod...@infratection.com 1. Why was such a list created? 2. Why was I automatically subscribed to it? 3. Why was this done without notice to the community? This has a lot of us wondering the same as Owen. This is also not typical of how NANOG does things. Hopefully as the day progresses we will get some insight. My, but there are a lot of people, in my best friend's favorite phrase, spring loaded to the pissed-off position. I didn't think NANOGers were quite so prone to recreational indignation... Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink j...@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://baylink.pitas.com 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274 Someone once wrote,approximately, Assume the best possible intentions. Thus, bafflement .ne. spring loaded to the pissed-off position. Regards. James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: Bandwidth Upgrade
For the past 17 years I have managed to keep my bandwidth budget the same. I had 1 T1 in 1994 and have multiple GigEs now. I still pay roughly the same price. So, shop it around and see if you can upgrade without affecting your budget. It is much easier to justify when it doesn't change the bottom line. -Matt - Original Message - From: Daniel Walter Bielawa dwbiel...@liberty.edu To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:30:01 AM Subject: Bandwidth Upgrade Greetings, My team is in the process of putting some documentation together to justify a bandwidth upgrade. I am asking if you would be willing to reply back to me, with how you decide that it is time to upgrade your bandwidth. On-line or off-line reply's will be acceptable. Thank You Daniel Bielawa Network Engineer Liberty University Network Services (434)592-7987 LIBERTY UNIVERSITY 40 Years of Training Champions for Christ: 1971-2011
Re: economic value of low AS numbers
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Robert E. Seastrom r...@seastrom.com wrote: Jeffrey Ollie j...@ocjtech.us writes: On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: The real question is whether it was issued after HHGTTG. HHGTTG first appeared on the BBC in 1978. Thinking Machines Corporation was formed in 1982. As far as I can tell the first BGP RFC is 1105 and was published in 1989. http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc827 Which describes EGP and was published in 1982. EGP does use the notion of an autonomous system number. When the conversion from EGP to BGP was made did networks keep the same autonomous system numbers? -- Jeff Ollie
Re: Welcome to the Marketing mailing list
On 11/17/2011 3:47 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: My, but there are a lot of people, in my best friend's favorite phrase, spring loaded to the pissed-off position. I didn't think NANOGers were quite so prone to recreational indignation... Cheers, -- jra If only there was some sort of movement where they could show up and, by their presence let us know of their impotent rage. Perhaps if they all sat in a park near the hosting facility that holds NANOG.org, occupying it in some way, things might get better here. Andrew
Re: economic value of low AS numbers
From nanog-bounces+bonomi=mail.r-bonomi@nanog.org Thu Nov 17 14:53:57 2011 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:52:33 -0500 (EST) From: Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com To: NANOG nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: economic value of low AS numbers - Original Message - From: Dave Hart daveh...@gmail.com On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 19:08, David Conrad d...@virtualized.org wrote: whois -h whois.arin.net 42 RFC 943: 42 THINK-AS [BJN1] [BJN1] Bruce Nemnich TMC b...@mit-mc.arpa I have no idea which registry was maintaining AS number registrations when AS42 changed hands. I suppose it's possible the current registrant acquired or merged with whatever entity THINK refers to, but I doubt it, so it seems likely at least at one time transfers were reflected in updated registrations. I'd be shocked, shocked I tell... oh, yes; put the money over here please. Shocked, I tell you, if that wasn't Thinking Machines Corp., which was formed by MIT grads, as I remember it. The real question is whether it was issued after HHGTTG. I think it was abaout the time they clustered a group of nine 6-node machines.
Re: Welcome to the Marketing mailing list
On 11/17/2011 10:47 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: My, but there are a lot of people, in my best friend's favorite phrase, spring loaded to the pissed-off position. I didn't think NANOGers were quite so prone to recreational indignation... Cheers, -- jra NANOG where no day is complete without a bit of righteous indignation. Paul
Re: economic value of low AS numbers
- Original Message - From: Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com 42 THINK-AS [BJN1] The real question is whether it was issued after HHGTTG. I think it was abaout the time they clustered a group of nine 6-node machines. As long as they worked in base-13. As it happens, Woody owns that ASN now, according to my whois, at least. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink j...@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://baylink.pitas.com 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274
Re: economic value of low AS numbers
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 21:11, Robert E. Seastrom r...@seastrom.com wrote: Jeffrey Ollie j...@ocjtech.us writes: On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: The real question is whether it was issued after HHGTTG. HHGTTG first appeared on the BBC in 1978. Thinking Machines Corporation was formed in 1982. As far as I can tell the first BGP RFC is 1105 and was published in 1989. http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc827 AS42 was assigned after publication of RFC 923 (Oct 1984) and no later than the superceding RFC 943 (April 1985). AS numbers definitely predate BGP. AS1 was assigned by or before RFC 820 (Jan 1983). EGP was RFC 827 (Oct 1982). Presumably the development involved informal assignment of at least test AS numbers. Cheers, Dave Hart
Re: economic value of low AS numbers
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:21:59AM -0800, David Conrad wrote: On Nov 17, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Keegan Holley wrote: Besides standing at the water cooler at 1:23PM on 12/3 telling AS123 jokes I'm not sure a particular AS number has any relevance or any monetary value unless there is scarcity. You are discounting (pun intended) vanity and marketing. I am no longer surprised at what people will be willing to pay (sometimes astonishing amounts of) money for. UAE license plate auctions, 1 sold for $14 million http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchivesid=aJ8EZTdrItjs Lebanon phone number auction, 71-44 went for $68,000 http://www.ameinfo.com/207677.html -- [ Jim Mercer Reptilian Research j...@reptiles.org +1 416 410-5633 ] [ stressed spelled backwards is desserts.] [coincidence? i think not. ]
Re: Fwd: Welcome to the Marketing mailing list
Betty Burke be...@nanog.org wrote: Everyone: This was truly just a honest mistake on my part. You are all right, should not have happened and I apologize. No worries, Betty. The only ones amongst us who don't make mistakes are the ones who don't do anything. --Michael
Re: J.D. Falk has passed on
Somewhere in hell, Spamford Wallace is smiling. A wonderful colleague, friend, and leading purveyor of industry counter-rhetoric solutions. http://www.maawg.org/page/memorial-jd-falk http://www.cauce.org/2011/11/jdfalk.html http://www.facebook.com/jdfalk regards, fh --- Pure J.D. :) Whether you are acting as a Mailbox Provider or a Feedback Consumer, Complaint Feedback processing can be complex and scary -- or, with some intelligence and automation, simple and easy. In either case, it is an important and necessary tool for detecting messaging abuse and ensuring End User satisfaction. http://www.rfc-editor.org/?rfc/pdfrfc/rfc6449.txt.pdf
Re: Bandwidth Upgrade
--- dwbiel...@liberty.edu wrote: From: Bielawa, Daniel Walter dwbiel...@liberty.edu My team is in the process of putting some documentation together to justify a bandwidth upgrade. I am asking if you would be willing to reply back to me, with how you decide that it is time to upgrade your bandwidth. On-line or off-line reply's will be acceptable. Empirical data rules; WAGs don't... ;-) If you have a year's worth of traffic graphed, extrapolate the growth to find out when you will hit about 85%-90% of the capacity of the circuit at peak load. Find out how long the providers in your area take to turn up a circuit of the type and size you need. Then work backwards from there, so that the circuit is in production when you hit that percentage of utilization. Your particular numbers will depend on your growth rate. scott
Folks colo'd at COCOFLMA
Hello, I have a need to for layer2 connectivity between the COCOFLMA CO in Cocoa, FL over to ColoSolutions in Orlando. If any folks are on the list that are located in both locations and have some room (20-40Mb) on your backhaul circuits, please let me know off-list please. Would rather pay you than ATT. Thanks! -graham
Verizon 3G/4G
Multi question email. Is there anyone on this list that supports this infrastructure, (verizon 3G/4G Broadband) or is there a place a seasoned admin can go outside of the general support desk to get assistance when a major outage is occurring? Secondly has anyone on this list deployed this technology within their infrastructure and can speak on the experience. Thank you
