RE: Programmers with network engineering skills

2012-02-28 Thread George Bonser
Noon Silk said: Just a practical comment here; part of your problem may be offering c and php together. I don't want to start a war, but I know that at the very least all the c programmers I know would considered php to be ... horribly offensive. So, maybe seperating out these two roles (c

Re: dns and software, was Re: Reliable Cloud host ?

2012-02-28 Thread Owen DeLong
On Feb 27, 2012, at 9:45 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: getaddrinfo was designed to be extensible as was struct addrinfo. Part of the problem with TTL is not data sources used by getaddrinfo have TTL information. Additionally for many uses you want to reconnect to the

Re: dns and software, was Re: Reliable Cloud host ?

2012-02-28 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:45 AM, Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org wrote:        getaddrinfo was designed to be extensible as was struct        addrinfo.  Part of the problem with TTL is not [all] data sources        used by getaddrinfo have TTL information. Hi Mark, By the time getaddrinfo

RE: Programmers with network engineering skills

2012-02-28 Thread Brandt, Ralph
Owen, I can only say it is my opinion, based on some years of experience and working with people who have come from both sides. I have seen more people successfully move from programming to networking than the reverse. Ralph Brandt Communications Engineer HP Enterprise Services Telephone +1

Call for updates: Native IPv6 access providers

2012-02-28 Thread Jeroen Massar
Hi Folks, I would like to get more organizations on the Native IPv6 list: http://www.sixxs.net/faq/connectivity/?faq=native Thus, if you have updates and also new entries, do not hesitate to forward them to i...@sixxs.net. Please provide the list of countries that you are offering the service,

RE: Programmers with network engineering skills

2012-02-28 Thread Brandt, Ralph
Rodrick, give me the name of one of those firms. :) Ralph Brandt -Original Message- From: Rodrick Brown [mailto:rodrick.br...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 6:13 PM To: A. Pishdadi Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: Programmers with network engineering skills On Feb 26, 2012, at

Re: Programmers with network engineering skills

2012-02-28 Thread Rodrick Brown
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Re: Reliable Cloud host ?

2012-02-28 Thread Jared Mauch
On Feb 27, 2012, at 2:53 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:02:04 EST, William Herrin said: The net result is that when you switch the IP address of your server, a percentage of your users (declining over time) will be unable to access it for hours, days, weeks or

Re: Programmers with network engineering skills

2012-02-28 Thread John Mitchell
rant I would wholeheartedly agree with this, but I believe its worse than just that. I used to categorize myself as a full developer, now I'm slightly ashamed to be tainted with that brush since there's so many people using the term who don't know the first thing about programming. It used to

Re: BBC reports Kenya fiber break

2012-02-28 Thread Mike Andrews
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:20:10AM -0800, virendra rode wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 02/27/2012 08:11 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: Is anyone seeing this ? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-17179544 East Africa's high-speed internet access has been

RE: Programmers with network engineering skills

2012-02-28 Thread Jamie Bowden
William Herrin [mailto:b...@herrin.us] On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: On Feb 27, 2012, at 12:02 PM, Brandt, Ralph wrote: Generalists are hard to come by these days. I think you're more likely to find a network engineer with (possibly limited)

Re: Programmers with network engineering skills

2012-02-28 Thread Keegan Holley
+1 on both. Senior network guys learn programming/scripting as a way to automate configuration and deal with large amounts of data. It's an enhancement for us and most network people are willing to expand their programming skills given the time. On the other hand there are way too many jobs

Re: Reliable Cloud host ?

2012-02-28 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net wrote: On Feb 27, 2012, at 2:53 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:02:04 EST, William Herrin said: The net result is that when you switch the IP address of your server, a percentage of your users

Re: Programmers with network engineering skills

2012-02-28 Thread Owen DeLong
While what you say is true (heck, I'm one of them), my point is that a great many network engineers have relatively strong programming backgrounds and if you could convince one of them to go back to writing code (sufficiently interesting project and/or right $$) you'd probably have better luck

Re: Programmers with network engineering skills

2012-02-28 Thread Owen DeLong
This problem is not limited to programming. Education in general has moved from teaching conceptual knowledge re-inforced by practical examples and exercises to teaching methodological and/or procedural knowledge without any effort to convey concepts. It's much like the difference between

Re: Programmers with network engineering skills

2012-02-28 Thread Lamar Owen
On Monday, February 27, 2012 07:53:07 PM William Herrin wrote: .../SCI clearance. The clearance is killing me. The two generalists didn't have a clearance and the cleared applicants are programmers or admins but never both. I just about spewed my chai tea seeing 'SCI' and 'generalist' in

Re: Programmers with network engineering skills

2012-02-28 Thread Jeroen van Aart
Mike Hale wrote: If you're located in a major city, I'm sure you can find a community college that has a networking certificate program you can send your developer to, along with an in-house training program. Oh come on!!!1 Investing in your employee by sending them out to courses, for crying

Re: Programmers with network engineering skills

2012-02-28 Thread Lamar Owen
On Monday, February 27, 2012 05:14:00 PM Owen DeLong wrote: Who is a strong network engineer Who has been a professional software engineer (though many years ago and my skills are rusty and out of date) Owen, you nailed it here. Even the ACM recognizes that a 'Software Engineer' and

Re: Reliable Cloud host ?

2012-02-28 Thread Owen DeLong
On Feb 28, 2012, at 10:22 AM, William Herrin wrote: On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net wrote: On Feb 27, 2012, at 2:53 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:02:04 EST, William Herrin said: The net result is that when you switch the IP

Re: Reliable Cloud host ?

2012-02-28 Thread david raistrick
On Tue, 28 Feb 2012, Owen DeLong wrote: But they don't have to... They can simply use getaddrinfo()/getnameinfo() and let the OS libraries do it. The fact that some applications choose to use their own resolvers instead of system libraries is what is broken. Not always true - firewall

Re: Programmers with network engineering skills

2012-02-28 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Lamar Owen lo...@pari.edu wrote: On Monday, February 27, 2012 07:53:07 PM William Herrin wrote: .../SCI clearance. The clearance is killing me. The two generalists didn't have a clearance and the cleared applicants are programmers or admins but never both.

Re: Programmers with network engineering skills

2012-02-28 Thread Jeroen van Aart
John Mitchell wrote: rant I would wholeheartedly agree with this, but I believe its worse than teaching process is one of learning to program like a monkey, monkey see monkey do. People are no longer taught to think for themselves, but instead taught to program in a specific language (PHP,

Re: dns and software, was Re: Reliable Cloud host ?

2012-02-28 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org wrote: DNS TTL works.  Applications that don't honour it arn't a indication that it doesn't work. Mark, If three people died and the building burned down then the sprinkler system didn't work. It may have sprayed water, but it didn't

RE: Programmers with network engineering skills

2012-02-28 Thread Brandt, Ralph
I would hope that the working with the team aspect would have been have been handled BEFORE you spend time on this. Let HR do it, then check if they did it right because they screw it up at times. I have been overridden twice in hiring decisions over the years by my boss. Both of them lived

Re: FCoE/CNA Deployment w/ Nexus 5K, HP 580s, QLogic

2012-02-28 Thread David Newman
On 2/28/12 2:55 AM, David Swafford wrote: Yeah, our vendors epically failed here! Were these QLogic 2400s or 2500s by any chance? https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F15/FEDORA-2012-1863 dn

Time Warner Cable issues in Ohio ?

2012-02-28 Thread Randy Carpenter
We're seeing some strange issues with our fiber connection to TWC in Ohio. Intermittent packet loss to/from some IPs. It gets as specific as from a certain IP outside our network, packets to a.b.c.10 are fine, but pings to a.b.c.50 (same subnet of same netblock) lose ~75% of the packets.

Re: Time Warner Cable issues in Ohio ?

2012-02-28 Thread Jonas Frey (Probe Networks)
Sounds very much like an issue with a link aggregation. Seen this a couple of times with various carriers...apparently monitoring lag's isnt a top priority nowadays. Try to find out which hop is causing the problems (do multiple traceroute's or use mtr on affected and unaffected servers) and drop

Alaska peering

2012-02-28 Thread Mehmet Akcin
Hi I have read there was a discussion in 2010 regarding an IX in Alaska and whether it existed. seems like the most logical point to get to Alaska is Seattle. Is that still the case? Is there any peering point in Alaska? please contact me offlist if you know some colo / Internet service

Re: Time Warner Cable issues in Ohio ?

2012-02-28 Thread Pete Carah
On Feb 28, 2012, at 15:22, Randy Carpenter rcar...@network1.net wrote: We're seeing some strange issues with our fiber connection to TWC in Ohio. Intermittent packet loss to/from some IPs. It gets as specific as from a certain IP outside our network, packets to a.b.c.10 are fine, but

Re: FCoE/CNA Deployment w/ Nexus 5K, HP 580s, QLogic

2012-02-28 Thread David Swafford
The full SKU of the original cards was QLE8242-CU-CK (dual port copper). The replacements were the same, but SR instead of CU. Here's a quick link of detail on these cards -- http://www.qlogic.com/Resources/Documents/DataSheets/Adapters/Datasheet_8200_Series_Adapters.pdf . The copper

Re: Programmers with network engineering skills

2012-02-28 Thread Jeroen van Aart
Jamie Bowden wrote: Hey now...the time from zero to TS/SCI has gone from over half a decade to a mere quarter decade. You can totally pay these guys to sit around doing drudge work while their skills atrophy in the interim. Of course, if you need a poly on top, add some more time and stir

Re: dns and software, was Re: Reliable Cloud host ?

2012-02-28 Thread Mark Andrews
In message CAP-guGXK3WQGPLpmnVsnM0xnnU8==4zONK=uwtlkywudua6...@mail.gmail.com, William Herrin writes: On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org wrote: DNS TTL works. =A0Applications that don't honour it arn't a indication th= at it doesn't work. Mark, If three

RE: Programmers with network engineering skills

2012-02-28 Thread George Bonser
That sparked my interest. Did I miss something? One can lie about TS/CSI clearance and be believed as long as one can fool a lie detector? How safe is that? That strikes me as a bit odd. Yeah, you missed something. TS/SCI w/polygraph means that you underwent a Special Background

Re: Alaska peering

2012-02-28 Thread Mr. James W. Laferriere
Hello Mehmet , On Tue, 28 Feb 2012, Mehmet Akcin wrote: Hi I have read there was a discussion in 2010 regarding an IX in Alaska and whether it existed. seems like the most logical point to get to Alaska is Seattle. Is that still the case? Is there any peering point in Alaska?

Re: [Outages-discussion] Recent outage in Australia affecting Telstra

2012-02-28 Thread Gary Buckmaster
On 2/25/2012 2:46 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: - Original Message - From: Gert Doering g...@greenie.muc.de One of Telstra's downstream customers, a smaller ISP called Dodo, accidentally announced the global table to Telstra (or perhaps a very large portion of it.) Enough of it to cause

Re: [Outages-discussion] Recent outage in Australia affecting Telstra

2012-02-28 Thread Skeeve Stevens
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