Joe Greco wrote:
The ideal world contains a mix of techniques.
Yes and copying parts of relevant code of an MTA could be one.
You cannot just blindly leave it to the MTA to decide what's valid.
Along that path lies madness. How do you pass the address to the MTA?
Don't do it as a system()
William Herrin wrote:
When I ran the numbers a few years ago, a route had a global cost
impact in the neighborhood of $8000/year. It's tough to make a case
that folks who need multihoming's reliability can't afford to put that
much into the system.
The cost for bloated DFZ routing table is
Hi
Can someone from HSBC (specially Canada) who is involved in network
operation contact me off-list. Some of our customers which get IP address
from specific network blocks, could not reach hsbc.ca. follow-up with
internet banking staff, customer support, and .., did not point us to the
right
On 13 March 2012 06:50, Jeroen van Aart jer...@mompl.net wrote:
Unless in cases such as Owen mentioned I'd say it's a pretty good
solution. The madness to me lies in making your own email validating code...
Not forgetting Lett's Law
Aled
On Mar 13, 2:21 am, Masataka Ohta mo...@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp
wrote:
William Herrin wrote:
When I ran the numbers a few years ago, a route had a global cost
impact in the neighborhood of $8000/year. It's tough to make a case
that folks who need multihoming's reliability can't afford
Ryan Malayter wrote:
If the number of routes in DFZ is, say, 100, many routers and
hosts will be default free
For quite some time, a sub-$2000 PC running Linux/BSD has been able to
cope with DFZ table sizes and handle enough packets per second to
saturate two or more if the prevalent LAN
The ideal world contains a mix of techniques.
You cannot just blindly leave it to the MTA to decide what's valid.
Along that path lies madness. How do you pass the address to the MTA?
Don't do it as a system() call unless you want someone to own your
box with a semicolon.
Only if
In a message written on Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 02:19:00PM +1100, Geoff Huston
wrote:
On 13/03/2012, at 2:31 AM, Leo Bicknell wrote:
It was never clear to me that even if it worked 100% as advertised that
it would be cheaper / better in the global sense.
I think that's asking too much of the
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:18 PM, Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org wrote:
Only if you don't properly quote/escape the arguments you are passing.
You're using your OS wrong if you are quoting/escaping the arguments.
You do not need a shell involved to use fork() + exec() + wait(), as
the shell is not
I may add that when I reached the point of having my 'AT cagnazzo.name'
address rejected by the form, I was already pretty angry because the
form had a sign, all written in UPPER CASE LETTERS, saying that the form
did not support other browsers than Internet Explorer.
:=)
C.
On 3/12/12 7:43 PM,
Hi :
If there is anyone out there that has experience with migrating Email from one
ISP to another at the retail level using products such as the True Switch
product from ESAYA, and would be willing to share some thoughts/experiences,
could you please contact me off list ?
Thanks
mike
Hi,
Does anyone have a contact at CISCO that deals with their ASA botnet
filtering software? I'm having trouble finding out why our network is
listed.
Thanks,
Jeff
2012/3/13 Masataka Ohta mo...@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp:
William Herrin wrote:
http://bill.herrin.us/network/bgpcost.html
If you believe there's an error in my methodology, feel free to take
issue with it.
Your estimate on the number of routers in DFZ:
somewhere between 120,000
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Leo Bicknell bickn...@ufp.org wrote:
I'm hard pressed in my head to rationalize how maintaining software for
the next 50 years on a few billion or so boxes is cheaper in the global
sense than adding memory to perhaps half a million routers.
For a one-order of
Trying to work on an interesting project, where it would be nice to monitor the
routing table of a collection of routers, store it, and look at it later, as a
snapshot of what the routing table for a particular router looked at a
particular time. All the information I'm wanting (route entry,
Try RIS from RIPE NCC or routeviews.
regards,
as
Sent from my mobile device
(please excuse typoss and brevit.)
On 13 Mar 2012, at 11:54, Walter Keen walter.k...@rainierconnect.net wrote:
Trying to work on an interesting project, where it would be nice to monitor
the routing table of a
In a message written on Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:54:08AM -0700, Walter Keen
wrote:
Trying to work on an interesting project, where it would be nice to monitor
the routing table of a collection of routers, store it, and look at it later,
as a snapshot of what the routing table for a particular
I've successfully used YippieMove in the past migrating from Google Apps to
Exchange.
http://www.yippiemove.com/
-Mike
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Mike Rae mike@sjrb.ca wrote:
Hi :
If there is anyone out there that has experience with migrating Email from
one ISP to another at
Hello Mike
You can look for my friends form shuttlecloud.com
They are much into hard core data migration.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:06 PM, Mike Rae mike@sjrb.ca wrote:
Hi :
If there is anyone out there that has experience with migrating Email from
one ISP to another at the retail
Hi
I use bgpmon.net
That include among others ripe ris info
Might be worth to have look at that
Cheers
JC
Sent from whatever
On 13 Mar 2012, at 19:00, Walter Keen walter.k...@rainierconnect.net wrote:
Trying to work on an interesting project, where it would be nice to monitor
the
On Mar 13, 2012, at 6:03 AM, Masataka Ohta wrote:
Ryan Malayter wrote:
If the number of routes in DFZ is, say, 100, many routers and
hosts will be default free
For quite some time, a sub-$2000 PC running Linux/BSD has been able to
cope with DFZ table sizes and handle enough packets per
It's _WAY_ more than a billion boxes at this point.
Owen
On Mar 13, 2012, at 10:27 AM, William Herrin wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Leo Bicknell bickn...@ufp.org wrote:
I'm hard pressed in my head to rationalize how maintaining software for
the next 50 years on a few billion or so
Joe Greco wrote:
The ideal world contains a mix of techniques.
Yes and copying parts of relevant code of an MTA could be one.
May actually be one of the few sane ones.
You cannot just blindly leave it to the MTA to decide what's valid.
Along that path lies madness. How do you pass the
On Mar 13, 2:18 pm, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
On Mar 13, 2012, at 6:03 AM, Masataka Ohta wrote:
Ryan Malayter wrote:
If the number of routes in DFZ is, say, 100, many routers and
hosts will be default free
For quite some time, a sub-$2000 PC running Linux/BSD has been able
Does anyone know of a similar tool (opensource/low cost) for the IGPs? It
would be really cool to have a snapshot for troubleshooting post-mortem.
Thanks!
David.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Bontje, Juan Carlos
j.bon...@cordares.nlwrote:
Hi
I use bgpmon.net
That include among others
I know this is a little outside of the traditional NANOG realm but...
I have a customer looking at a fair number of Xirrus Wireless Arrays for
802.11a/b/g/n implementations and am looking for some real world insight into
them. On the cover they look cool, the white papers look cool, but I am
[direct link to IPv6 operational deployment [plans] survey
if you don't need background:
http://www.surveygizmo.com/s3/749797/ipv6survey
]
hello folks,
we're trying to do some quantitative modeling of
the IPv4-IPv6 transition, including the impact of
On Mar 13, 8:03 am, Masataka Ohta mo...@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp
wrote:
The point of
http://bill.herrin.us/network/bgpcost.html
was that routers are more expensive because of bloated routing
table.
If you deny it, you must deny its conclusion.
Bill's analysis is quite interesting,
Does anyone know of a similar tool (opensource/low cost) for the IGPs?
packet design
randy
Yes, the economics of routing are strange, and the lack of any real
strictures in the routing tables are testament to the observation that
despite more than two decades of tossing the idea around we've yet to
find the equivalent of a route deaggregation tax or a route
advertisement tax or any
On 2012-03-13 16:33, Joe Greco wrote:
Joe Greco wrote:
The ideal world contains a mix of techniques.
Yes and copying parts of relevant code of an MTA could be one.
May actually be one of the few sane ones.
You cannot just blindly leave it to the MTA to decide what's valid.
Along that path
All:
I realize this might be a bit of a fool's errand, but I'm trying to
determine if Verizon will speak BGP with FiOS business customers. Their
website is relatively lean on details. Everything that mentions BGP
points to VZB services, which does not appear to include FiOS. Looking at
On 03/13/2012 02:34 PM, Blake Pfankuch wrote:
I know this is a little outside of the traditional NANOG realm but...
I have a customer looking at a fair number of Xirrus Wireless Arrays for
802.11a/b/g/n implementations and am looking for some real world insight into
them. On the cover they
On 14/03/2012, at 9:16 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
Yes, the economics of routing are strange, and the lack of any real
strictures in the routing tables are testament to the observation that
despite more than two decades of tossing the idea around we've yet to
find the equivalent of a route
On 03/13/2012 03:35 PM, Blake Pfankuch wrote:
Thanks Pete, that does help. Now hopefully I can get someone who has
experience with 500+ devices running on a single one in a fairly small area
(High School Gym).
There was a thread about this a couple of months back, I'm pretty sure
it was
Yes, the economics of routing are strange, and the lack of any real
strictures in the routing tables are testament to the observation
that despite more than two decades of tossing the idea around we've
yet to find the equivalent of a route deaggregation tax or a
route advertisement tax or any
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Justin M. Streiner
strei...@cluebyfour.org wrote:
I realize this might be a bit of a fool's errand, but I'm trying to
determine if Verizon will speak BGP with FiOS business customers. Their
website is relatively lean on details. Everything that mentions BGP
Anyone from the Telstra NOC lurking - or can pass on a Telstra technical
contact? Having no luck through the usual channels.
Looking to utilise some data from some cables you have lurking around.
Ideally someone with global net ops insight rather than local coverage.
Many thanks,
Robert.
Haha true that. How else would.they.push their atm and.Ethernet products.
chris
On Mar 13, 2012 7:04 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Justin M. Streiner
strei...@cluebyfour.org wrote:
I realize this might be a bit of a fool's errand, but I'm trying to
In a message written on Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 07:58:30AM +0900, Randy Bush wrote:
none of which seem to move us forward. i guess the lesson is that, as
long as we are well below moore, we just keep going down the slippery,
and damned expensive, slope.
Bill's model for price is too simple, and
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 7:09 PM, chris tknch...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mar 13, 2012 7:04 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Justin M. Streiner
strei...@cluebyfour.org wrote:
I realize this might be a bit of a fool's errand, but I'm trying to
determine if
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012, William Herrin wrote:
A cost I could live with. It's the fact that they won't sell me BGP
service in the FiOS product line *at all* that makes me pine for the
days of FCC mandated unbundling.
Having the same problem with Comcast, even on there business Cable
service they
Comcast same deal ethernet only
chris
On Mar 13, 2012 7:42 PM, Nathan Stratton nat...@robotics.net wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012, William Herrin wrote:
A cost I could live with. It's the fact that they won't sell me BGP
service in the FiOS product line *at all* that makes me pine for the
days
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012, chris wrote:
Comcast same deal ethernet only
Yep, I got a quote for that, 7K a month yet I can get 100 meg on a gig
circuit for $400 bucks from them in a datacenter. Oh, and the 7K is NOT to
cover build out, did I forget to mention that node for my area is in MY
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Justin M. Streiner
strei...@cluebyfour.org wrote:
All:
I realize this might be a bit of a fool's errand, but I'm trying to
determine if Verizon will speak BGP with FiOS business customers. Their
website is relatively lean on details. Everything that mentions
I concur. Their tool is quite nice.
--Tom
On Mar 13, 2012, at 6:14 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
Does anyone know of a similar tool (opensource/low cost) for the IGPs?
packet design
randy
So I have to ask you the big question...
Why do you want to do BGP with Comcast or Verizon ? (Over FIOS or Cable ?)
Is the intent to Peer with their network ? (which they will rightfully
only allow on bigger fatter connections)..
or
Are you trying to delivery your IP's to a End Customer
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote:
So I have to ask you the big question...
Why do you want to do BGP with Comcast or Verizon ? (Over FIOS or Cable ?)
Is the intent to Peer with their network ? (which they will rightfully only
allow on bigger fatter
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
Why do you want to do BGP with Comcast or Verizon ? (Over FIOS or Cable ?)
To gain redundancy for a consulting client.
Is the intent to Peer with their network ? (which they will rightfully only
allow on bigger fatter connections)..
I think you
Peering is generally for a comercial endevor to my understandind fios
is a residential service so which are you trying to accomplish
Sent from my iPhone
On 2012-03-13, at 7:32 PM, Christopher Morrow
morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Faisal Imtiaz
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012, Christopher Morrow wrote:
A) DHCP only, single address, dynamic
B) Single Static address (uplift of 25$/month I believe?)
I think that might be $40/mo now, but I could be mistaken.
Also, I know that on 701 the rate of BGP to non-BGP customers was
increasing and was at
4 of the 6 downstreams are multihomed. Only 40321 (Emigrant Bank) and 18762
(Dominick Dominick LLC) are single homed to 19262 (Verizon Online LLC).
-Grant
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 7:43 PM, Justin M. Streiner strei...@cluebyfour.org
wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012, Christopher Morrow wrote:
A)
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:09 PM, Grant Ridder shortdudey...@gmail.com wrote:
4 of the 6 downstreams are multihomed. Only 40321 (Emigrant Bank)
and 18762 (Dominick Dominick LLC) are single homed to 19262 (Verizon
Online LLC).
yup... vz had for quite some time actual 'network' customers behind
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Mark Gauvin mgau...@dryden.ca wrote:
Peering is generally for a comercial endevor to my understandind fios
is a residential service so which are you trying to accomplish
'peering' really is a loaded term...
'settlement free peering' ?
'bgp peering' ?
there
What is the SLA for FIOS? I believe that FIOS uses either PON or GPON
technology where a single data wavelength is split up to 32 times resulting
in a shared pipe back to the CO. Does Verizon offer any SLA at all for FIOS?
On the other hand Verizon Wireless offers BGP peering for business
Sorry, by saying Peering I mean any kind of direct peering..
As to the other reason for running BGP, there are technical solutions to
get around this 'lack of cooperation'.
Personally speaking, asking for BGP peering on a 'resi' grade service is
like going to McDonalds, and asking for a
Given that global routing table is bloated because of site
multihoming, where the site uses multiple ISPs within a city,
costs of long-haul fiber is irrelevant.
I suppose smaller multi-homed sites can and often do take a full
table, but they don't *need* to do so. What they do need is
C) 5 ips STATICALLY ROUTED AS /32's!! (WTF??) for 25$ above the
option-B above/month.
And people wonder why Verizon is the first to whine about routing table growth
from deaggregation? ;-)
In all seriousness, though, I don't think they are routed as /32s. I think
that's one for the
Hello,
Any public looking glasses for GRX?
Thanks.
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On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:20 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
C) 5 ips STATICALLY ROUTED AS /32's!! (WTF??) for 25$ above the
option-B above/month.
And people wonder why Verizon is the first to whine about routing table
growth from deaggregation? ;-)
eh, these end up (I think)
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:20 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
C) 5 ips STATICALLY ROUTED AS /32's!! (WTF??) for 25$ above the
option-B above/month.
And people wonder why Verizon is the first to whine about routing table
growth from deaggregation? ;-)
In all seriousness, though, I
One possible avenue is put a router/computer in a colo and build a GRE
tunnel over your FiOS connection to the data center, and then peer with
folk there.
Frank
-Original Message-
From: Justin M. Streiner [mailto:strei...@cluebyfour.org]
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 5:27 PM
To:
next lets encapsulate bgp over http next so we can run bgp at wifi hotspots
:)
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:34 AM, Frank Bulk frnk...@iname.com wrote:
One possible avenue is put a router/computer in a colo and build a GRE
tunnel over your FiOS connection to the data center, and then peer with
Thanks very much to all of the useful on and off list releases.
I would like to also thank Ron Valdez of Vall Technologies for his very prompt
sales contact as well. Very unprofessional, but nice try to cover up the
contact with the excuse of simple google searches while reaching out to
On Mar 13, 2012, at 8:57 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:20 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
C) 5 ips STATICALLY ROUTED AS /32's!! (WTF??) for 25$ above the
option-B above/month.
And people wonder why Verizon is the first to whine about routing table
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:00 AM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
Interesting. I guess to each their own.
Many other providers I know are selling 5 IP packages done the other way.
many providers are not crazy yes I agree.
Blake Pfankuch wrote:
Thanks very much to all of the useful on and off list releases.
If you want to try and gleen more info. and get some questions answered, Moonblink is having a webinar next Wednesday and
I'm sure they'd love to have you attend.
FREE Webinar!
The Changing Role of Wi-Fi
Blake/NANOGL
I just completed the Technical Training with Xirrus at a session in Dallas.
The arrays are designed to go way beyond just worrying about signal strength
(coverage) throughout a building or venue. They tackle the problem of how
much bandwidth each connected client has available,
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