Re: F-ckin Leap Seconds, how do they work?

2012-07-05 Thread Henry Linneweh
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/06/120629142607.htm From: Paul WALL pauldotw...@gmail.com To: NANOG list nanog@nanog.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 6:16 PM Subject: F-ckin Leap Seconds, how do they work? Comments? Drive Slow Paul

Re: F-ckin Leap Seconds, how do they work?

2012-07-05 Thread Vadim Antonov
On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 20:48 -0700, Owen DeLong wrote: Given that we don't seem to be able to eliminate the absurdity of DST, I doubt that either of those proposals is likely to fly. Russian govt. did eliminate DST. http://www.rt.com/news/daylight-saving-time-abolished/ --vadim

Re: F-ckin Leap Seconds, how do they work?

2012-07-05 Thread Dmitry Burkov
On Jul 5, 2012, at 1:35 PM, Vadim Antonov wrote: On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 20:48 -0700, Owen DeLong wrote: Given that we don't seem to be able to eliminate the absurdity of DST, I doubt that either of those proposals is likely to fly. Russian govt. did eliminate DST.

Re: F-ckin Leap Seconds, how do they work?

2012-07-05 Thread Vadim Antonov
On Thu, 2012-07-05 at 14:00 +0400, Dmitry Burkov wrote: On Jul 5, 2012, at 1:35 PM, Vadim Antonov wrote: On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 20:48 -0700, Owen DeLong wrote: Given that we don't seem to be able to eliminate the absurdity of DST, I doubt that either of those proposals is likely to fly.

Re: F-ckin Leap Seconds, how do they work?

2012-07-05 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Jul 04, 2012 at 06:10:45PM -0400, William Herrin wrote: IMO, leap seconds are a really bad idea. Let the vanishingly few people who care about a precision match against the solar day keep track of the deviation from clock time and let everybody else have a *simple* clock year after

Re: F-ckin Leap Seconds, how do they work?

2012-07-05 Thread Jared Mauch
Live further north and you will see the difference dst makes. On Jul 4, 2012, at 11:48 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: Given that we don't seem to be able to eliminate the absurdity of DST, I doubt that either of those proposals is likely to fly.

Re: F-ckin Leap Seconds, how do they work?

2012-07-05 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 05/07/2012 11:34, Jared Mauch wrote: Live further north and you will see the difference dst makes. This is true. Ireland, UK, NL, Denmark, northern Germany and northern Poland are at a similar latitude to Polar Bear Provincial Park by Hudson Bay. With DST, we get much more usable evenings

Re: F-ckin Leap Seconds, how do they work?

2012-07-05 Thread Henning Stener
On 05/07/12 13:05, Nick Hilliard wrote: On 05/07/2012 11:34, Jared Mauch wrote: Live further north and you will see the difference dst makes. This is true. Ireland, UK, NL, Denmark, northern Germany and northern Poland are at a similar latitude to Polar Bear Provincial Park by Hudson Bay.

Re: F-ckin Leap Seconds, how do they work?

2012-07-05 Thread Jared Mauch
On Jul 5, 2012, at 7:18 AM, Henning Stener h.ste...@sportradar.com wrote: On 05/07/12 13:05, Nick Hilliard wrote: On 05/07/2012 11:34, Jared Mauch wrote: Live further north and you will see the difference dst makes. This is true. Ireland, UK, NL, Denmark, northern Germany and northern

Re: F-ckin Leap Seconds, how do they work?

2012-07-05 Thread Richard Irving
I'm only at (aproxamately) 42.28755874876601 north. Once you go near 60 north the value changes significantly. There is a band of latitudes where it does make more sense. It sure isn't Indiana. http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2010/03/13/205642/daylight-saving-time-energy-dst/?mobile=nc

2012 Global IPv6 Deployment Survey - Please take a moment to complete!

2012-07-05 Thread John Curran
NANOG Folks - IPv6 - You may love it (or hate it) but either way it would be good to take just a few moments to complete the Global IPv6 Deployment Survey (see attached).The survey is being conducted in cooperation with the Regional Internet Registries in order to better

IPv6 security tools released

2012-07-05 Thread Fernando Gont
Folks, A bunch of IPv6 security tools I produced these last couple of years have been posted online at: http://ipv6securitylab.org/ipv6toolbox.html. Not sure whether this was really intended, but since a number of folks have already noted (off-list) that this release has been announced on a

Re: F-ckin Leap Seconds, how do they work?

2012-07-05 Thread Peter Lothberg
If you want to run a Google-patched NTP server and talk to it, you're welcome to. The rest of us would prefer to just get it right, so we don't have to get lied to. The timescale implementation in NTP is correct accoring to how UTC is defined. I suggest leaving it alone, chances of

Re: F-ckin Leap Seconds, how do they work?

2012-07-05 Thread Peter Lothberg
On one of my BSD boxes. /usr/src/share/zoneinfo/leapseconds, I see no - No, but they're allowed; see Figure 9 of RFC 5905: Steve, I commented that it was stated that we where doing both positive and negative corrections. Only positive corrections have been made, and yes, negative are

RE: F-ckin Leap Seconds, how do they work?

2012-07-05 Thread Peter Lothberg
Leap seconds are to align the artificial and very stable atomic timescale with the irregular and slowing rotation of the earth. You are assuming facts not in evidence. The rotation is merely irregular w= ithin the capabilities of our scheme of measurement, calculation, and obser= vation.

Re: F-ckin Leap Seconds, how do they work?

2012-07-05 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Peter Lothberg r...@stupi.se wrote: Leap seconds are to align the artificial and very stable atomic timescale with the irregular and slowing rotation of the earth. You are assuming facts not in evidence. The rotation is merely irregular w= ithin the

Re: F-ckin Leap Seconds, how do they work?

2012-07-05 Thread Steven Bellovin
On Jul 5, 2012, at 10:49 48AM, Peter Lothberg wrote: On one of my BSD boxes. /usr/src/share/zoneinfo/leapseconds, I see no - No, but they're allowed; see Figure 9 of RFC 5905: Steve, I commented that it was stated that we where doing both positive and negative corrections. Only

Re: F-ckin Leap Seconds, how do they work?

2012-07-05 Thread Peter Lothberg
Most systems that deals with time has a slightly different way of doing it than U*ix.. ref: CCIR 457-1 Like this: 56113.6294791667 56113.6301736111 56113 is MJD, modified julian date (http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/mjd.html) Want to knew the time between two observations, just subtract and

Re: F-ckin Leap Seconds, how do they work?

2012-07-05 Thread Peter Lothberg
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 11:59 PM, Majdi S. Abbas m...@latt.net wrote: On Tue, Jul 03, 2012 at 11:33:35PM -0400, Tyler Haske wrote: 4 years. These things are supposed to be synced to a NTP source anyway. Easiest solution is just remove leap second functionality from mainline code, and

Cisco Update

2012-07-05 Thread Mario Eirea
Has anyone seen this yet? Looks like Cisco was forcing people to join its Cloud service through an update for it's consumer level routers. http://www.neowin.net/news/cisco-locks-users-out-of-their-routers-requires-invasive-cloud-service -Mario Eirea smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic

Re: F-ckin Leap Seconds, how do they work?

2012-07-05 Thread Peter Lothberg
Rather than discussing the pros and cons of UTC and leap seconds, just create your own time system. You could call it OpenTime. OpenTime will use NTP servers where the Stratum 1 servers are synced to some time standard that doesn't care about leap seconds. That way the consumer can

Re: Cisco Update

2012-07-05 Thread Hank Nussbacher
At 15:51 05/07/2012 +, Mario Eirea wrote: Has anyone seen this yet? Looks like Cisco was forcing people to join its Cloud service through an update for it's consumer level routers. http://www.neowin.net/news/cisco-locks-users-out-of-their-routers-requires-invasive-cloud-service -Mario

Re: Cisco Update

2012-07-05 Thread Joe Greco
At 15:51 05/07/2012 +, Mario Eirea wrote: Has anyone seen this yet? Looks like Cisco was forcing people to join its Cloud service through an update for it's consumer level routers. http://www.neowin.net/news/cisco-locks-users-out-of-their-routers-requires-invasive-cloud-service

Re: Cisco Update

2012-07-05 Thread Sean Harlow
On Jul 5, 2012, at 12:08, Hank Nussbacher wrote: For those of us who have not kept up with every latest feature that Cisco rolls out across all its platforms, can someone explain this new service? Is it like Windows update, where Cisco will auto-update your router s/w and thereby brick

Re: Cisco Update

2012-07-05 Thread Sean Harlow
On Jul 5, 2012, at 11:24, Joe Greco wrote: And what happens when your *cough* router isn't actually on the Internet? How can it be managed and upgraded on a regular old network? If there is no internet connection, you get a very limited page that's apparently only really good to get you back

Re: F-ckin Leap Seconds, how do they work?

2012-07-05 Thread Owen DeLong
I'm only at (aproxamately) 42.28755874876601 north. Once you go near 60 north the value changes significantly. There is a band of latitudes where it does make more sense. Why punish the rest of us to accommodate a few people who live between about 50º and 55º latitude? Owen

Re: Cisco Update

2012-07-05 Thread Jon Lewis
On Thu, 5 Jul 2012, Sean Harlow wrote: On Jul 5, 2012, at 11:24, Joe Greco wrote: And what happens when your *cough* router isn't actually on the Internet? How can it be managed and upgraded on a regular old network? If there is no internet connection, you get a very limited page that's

Re: Cisco Update

2012-07-05 Thread Sean Harlow
On Jul 5, 2012, at 12:42, Jon Lewis wrote: Routers are sometimes used on networks that don't have internet connectivity [by design]. This seems amazingly short-sighted for a company that's been around selling routing gear as long as cisco. Not to defend Cisco's idiotic decision, but in

Re: Cisco Update

2012-07-05 Thread Edward Salonia
Let's remember, this is regarding Cisco's consumer grade routers (formerly linksys) which are primarily intended for connecting small networks (homes, offices) to the internet over some type of broadband connection. Can they be used. On a network with no internet connectivity? Sure. But this,

Re: Cisco Update

2012-07-05 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 03:51:40PM +, Mario Eirea wrote: Has anyone seen this yet? Looks like Cisco was forcing people to join its Cloud service through an update for it's consumer level routers. Perhaps going right to the source would be educational:

RE: Cisco Update

2012-07-05 Thread David Hubbard
Technical users could always just flash DD-WRT onto the device and replace the Linksys/Cisco firmware; then you have a much more robust system without any big brother stuff.

job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread William Herrin
Hi folks, I gave my HR folks a screening question to ask candidates for an IP expert position. I've gotten some unexpected answers, so I want to do a sanity check and make sure I'm not asking something unreasonable. And by unexpected I don't mean naively incorrect answers, I mean

Re: F-ckin Leap Seconds, how do they work?

2012-07-05 Thread Jared Mauch
On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 09:33:05AM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote: I'm only at (aproxamately) 42.28755874876601 north. Once you go near 60 north the value changes significantly. There is a band of latitudes where it does make more sense. Why punish the rest of us to accommodate a few

RE: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Thomas York
My answer to that questionwould be No..why would I ever blanket block ICMP? If I'm that stupid, I shouldn't be deploying firewalls at all. I also assume I wouldn't get the job after answering that... Thomas York -Original Message- From: William Herrin [mailto:b...@herrin.us] Sent:

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Oliver Garraux
Seems fairly straightforward to me. It'll break path MTU discovery. I would hope someone applying for an IP expert position would know that. Could HR be mangling the question or something? Oliver - Oliver Garraux Check out my blog:

ipv6forum.com/nav6.org contacts

2012-07-05 Thread Wouter Prins
hi all, Is there anyone active on this list who is actively working on/at ipv6forum.com/nav6.org? I tried to contact both administrative and technical contacts listed under the domain, but no response so far. Please unicast me in case you do. :) Thanks in advance! -- Wouter Prins

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread David Coulson
That's a horrible question for a non-technical HR person to pose to a candidate - It's impossible for the candidate to ask clarifying questions to make sure they understand what you are looking for, plus you may have a strong candidate who gets it wrong (for whatever reason), but if they were

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 01:02:08PM -0400, William Herrin wrote: You implement a firewall on which you block all ICMP packets. What part of the TCP protocol (not IP in general, TCP specifically) malfunctions as a result? My questions for you are: 1. As an expert who

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread James M Keller
On 7/5/2012 1:11 PM, Oliver Garraux wrote: Seems fairly straightforward to me. It'll break path MTU discovery. I would hope someone applying for an IP expert position would know that. Could HR be mangling the question or something? Oliver - Oliver

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Darius Jahandarie
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Oliver Garraux oli...@g.garraux.net wrote: Seems fairly straightforward to me.  It'll break path MTU discovery. Since Bill said (not IP in general, TCP specifically), I don't think PMTUD breaking is what he's looking for. I'd venture more along the lines of lack

Re: F-ckin Leap Seconds, how do they work?

2012-07-05 Thread Dave Hart
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 17:22 UTC, Scott Howard wrote: On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Jimmy Hess mysi...@gmail.com wrote: The NTP daemon could still provide a configuration option to not implement leap-seconds locally, or ignore the leap-second announcement received. So the admin can

Re: F-ckin Leap Seconds, how do they work?

2012-07-05 Thread Roy
On 7/5/2012 5:54 PM, Peter Lothberg wrote: Rather than discussing the pros and cons of UTC and leap seconds, just create your own time system. You could call it OpenTime. OpenTime will use NTP servers where the Stratum 1 servers are synced to some time standard that doesn't care about leap

Re: ipv6forum.com/nav6.org contacts

2012-07-05 Thread Jeroen Massar
On 2012-07-05 19:11 , Wouter Prins wrote: hi all, Is there anyone active on this list who is actively working on/at ipv6forum.com/nav6.org? I tried to contact both administrative and technical contacts listed under the domain, but no response so far. Latif Ladid la...@ladid.lu is the right

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Nick Olsen
+1 I have people waive the I'm Cisco Certified flag in my face all the time. Then proceed to ask me if we have a T1. To the point that it's no longer a valuable achievement in my eyes. I'm certified to perform CPR in the state of Florida... I should go apply for a surgeon position at the local

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:16 PM, David Coulson da...@davidcoulson.net wrote: That's a horrible question for a non-technical HR person to pose to a candidate - It's impossible for the candidate to ask clarifying questions to make sure they understand what you are looking for, plus you may have a

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread David Coulson
Bill- So, I'm curious, and others probably are too. What's the most popular 'wrong' answer? :) David On 7/5/12 1:35 PM, William Herrin wrote: On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:16 PM, David Coulson da...@davidcoulson.net wrote: That's a horrible question for a non-technical HR person to pose to a

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread George Herbert
On Jul 5, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Darius Jahandarie djahanda...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Oliver Garraux oli...@g.garraux.net wrote: Seems fairly straightforward to me. It'll break path MTU discovery. Since Bill said (not IP in general, TCP specifically), I don't think

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Darius Jahandarie djahanda...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Oliver Garraux oli...@g.garraux.net wrote: Seems fairly straightforward to me. It'll break path MTU discovery. Since Bill said (not IP in general, TCP specifically), I don't think

Re: F-ckin Leap Seconds, how do they work?

2012-07-05 Thread Steve Allen
On Thu 2012-07-05T10:26:22 -0700, Roy hath writ: Lets see. There have been nine leap seconds in 20 years. So at the start of the next century the difference will probably be less than a minute There is no predicting how large the decadal variations in LOD will be, but the difference should be

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Derek Ivey
This is exactly the issue comcast6.net is currently experiencing :). They seem to be blocking ICMP completely and that is causing my HE IPv6 tunnel to be unable to access their site from a browser. On Jul 5, 2012, at 1:41 PM, William Herrin wrote: On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Darius

Re: F-ckin Leap Seconds, how do they work?

2012-07-05 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jul 5, 2012, at 10:07 AM, Jared Mauch wrote: On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 09:33:05AM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote: I'm only at (aproxamately) 42.28755874876601 north. Once you go near 60 north the value changes significantly. There is a band of latitudes where it does make more sense.

Re: F-ckin Leap Seconds, how do they work?

2012-07-05 Thread George Herbert
On Jul 5, 2012, at 8:14 AM, Marshall Eubanks marshall.euba...@gmail.com wrote: And, by the way, the deformations and exchanges of angular momentum that drive Earth rotation variations are probably the best understood global geophysical processes there are. Absolutely no magic is

Re: F-ckin Leap Seconds, how do they work?

2012-07-05 Thread Roy
On 7/5/2012 10:42 AM, Steve Allen wrote: On Thu 2012-07-05T10:26:22 -0700, Roy hath writ: Lets see. There have been nine leap seconds in 20 years. So at the start of the next century the difference will probably be less than a minute There is no predicting how large the decadal variations in

Re: Cisco Update

2012-07-05 Thread Grant Ridder
Keep in mind, that to receive the update, the router has to be connected to the internet. So routers that are not connected to the internet by design will be unaffected. -Grant On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:55 AM, David Hubbard dhubb...@dino.hostasaurus.com wrote: Technical users could always

Re: F-ckin Leap Seconds, how do they work?

2012-07-05 Thread Tyler Haske
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Roy r.engehau...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/5/2012 10:42 AM, Steve Allen wrote: On Thu 2012-07-05T10:26:22 -0700, Roy hath writ: Lets see. There have been nine leap seconds in 20 years. So at the start of the next century the difference will probably be less than

Re: Cisco Update

2012-07-05 Thread Joe Greco
Technical users could always just flash DD-WRT onto the device and = replace the Linksys/Cisco firmware; then you have a much more robust = system without any big brother stuff. Or Cisco could just omit the big brother stuff. This is not a technological failure. In fact, automatic updates of

Re: Cisco Update

2012-07-05 Thread Jeff Johnstone
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Joe Greco jgr...@ns.sol.net wrote: Technical users could always just flash DD-WRT onto the device and = replace the Linksys/Cisco firmware; then you have a much more robust = system without any big brother stuff. Or Cisco could just omit the big brother

Re: F-ckin Leap Seconds, how do they work?

2012-07-05 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 10:26:22AM -0700, Roy wrote: Remember OpenTime is only for people who want their system clocks to ignore leap seconds. I don't include myself among the possible users of OpenTime. Obviously you need a machine time, which is monotonous, high-resolution (you don't

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Daniel Roesen
On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 01:45:54PM -0400, Derek Ivey wrote: This is exactly the issue comcast6.net is currently experiencing :). They seem to be blocking ICMP completely and that is causing my HE IPv6 tunnel to be unable to access their site from a browser. I've recently came across a

Re: Cisco Update

2012-07-05 Thread Thomas D Nadeau
dd-wrt or openwrt are your friend on those devices. 8) On Jul 5, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Mario Eirea mei...@charterschoolit.com wrote: Has anyone seen this yet? Looks like Cisco was forcing people to join its Cloud service through an update for it's consumer level routers.

Re: Cisco Update

2012-07-05 Thread Ray Soucy
Looks like they've modified their privacy policy in the last few days, but from what I understand it was originally pretty bad, including the collecting users' history and: [...] right to shut down the users' account if it finds that they have used the service for “obscene, pornographic, or

RE: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Terry Baranski
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:42 PM, William Herrin wrote: No, path MTU discovery is the answer I'm fishing for. The TCP specifically part of the question confused the heck out of me. PMTUD is an IP function in every way as far as I'm concerned. (If you're saying that the way it's actually coded

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Ray Soucy
I think if your goal is to see if they know that your shouldn't blindly filter ICMP for IPv6, and you're specifically looking for knowledge of PMTUD, then a better question would be Please list the problems that could occur if all ICMPv6 traffic is blocked between two host systems. Which should

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Ray Soucy
He might be thinking of the MMS adjustment as a result of PMTUD, which most people forget about BTW, but I agree: PMTUD isn't about TCP, so tossing TCP in there just makes it a very odd question. On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Terry Baranski terry.baranski.l...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 5,

Re: Cisco Update

2012-07-05 Thread Andriy Bilous
I suspect it'll be Corporations control Internet and our private life well before tomorrow. Domestic operators do that for ages with their branded routers and AFAIK DOCSIS is unimaginable without (part of) this functionality. I went berzerk when discovered such a checkbox in my home router, two

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Derek Andrew
Isn't MTU discovery on IP and not TCP? On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Oliver Garraux oli...@g.garraux.netwrote: Seems fairly straightforward to me. It'll break path MTU discovery. I would hope someone applying for an IP expert position would know that. Could HR be mangling the question

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Scott Weeks
-- Cc: nanog@nanog.org nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: job screening question Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 15:05:01 -0600 Isn't MTU discovery on IP and not TCP? -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_MTU_discovery scott

cisco.com's IPv6 sites have a routing loop

2012-07-05 Thread Frank Bulk
Two of Cisco's IPv6 sites, www-v6.cisco.com and www.ipv6.cisco.com, are in a routing loop: 13 10gigabitethernet11-4.core1.sjc2.he.net (2001:470:0:1b4::1) 84.519 ms 82.710 ms 81.033 ms 14 10gigabitethernet3-2.core1.pao1.he.net (2001:470:0:32::2) 81.821 ms 81.826 ms 83.413 ms 15

Domain changer statistics by ASN

2012-07-05 Thread Andrew Fried
As many of you probably know, the replacement nameservers operated on behalf of the FBI for the Domain Changer Working Group (DCWG) are scheduled to go down Sunday morning (GMT). Yesterday, July 4th, was a holiday in the US, and as such the US based activity hitting the DCWG nameservers was

RE: Domain changer statistics by ASN

2012-07-05 Thread Eric Wieling
A report for a day other than the 4th of July would be very helpful. -Original Message- From: Andrew Fried [mailto:andrew.fr...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 5:26 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Domain changer statistics by ASN As many of you probably know, the replacement

Re: Domain changer statistics by ASN

2012-07-05 Thread Andrew Fried
We have data going back to November 8, 2011. Generating a report of over 2,000 ASNs, by day, would be too large an attachment for NANOG. I'll produce a follow up report in less than 3 hours with data from July 5th. Would that help? Andy Andrew Fried andrew.fr...@gmail.com On 7/5/12 5:42 PM,

Re: cisco.com's IPv6 sites have a routing loop

2012-07-05 Thread Javier Henderson
On Jul 5, 2012, at 5:21 PM, Frank Bulk wrote: Two of Cisco's IPv6 sites, www-v6.cisco.com and www.ipv6.cisco.com, are in a routing loop: 13 10gigabitethernet11-4.core1.sjc2.he.net (2001:470:0:1b4::1) 84.519 ms 82.710 ms 81.033 ms 14 10gigabitethernet3-2.core1.pao1.he.net

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Derek Andrew derek.and...@usask.ca wrote: You implement a firewall on which you block all ICMP packets. What part of the TCP protocol (not IP in general, TCP specifically) malfunctions as a result? Isn't MTU discovery on IP and not TCP? If you want to

RE: Domain changer statistics by ASN

2012-07-05 Thread Eric Wieling
July 2nd might be the most accurate. For our customers, July 3rd, 4th, and today have been low volume days because of the holiday. I suspect the same is true for many providers in the USA. -Original Message- From: Andrew Fried [mailto:andrew.fr...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 05,

RE: Domain changer statistics by ASN

2012-07-05 Thread Frank Bulk
Yeah, I see the singular one for our AS. =) We've know it for some time, but older lady is somewhat reluctant to spend money on getting someone to look at it. I spoke to her today and she has two machines, one new, one old. She's going to turn the old one off and hope that we won't see any

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Diogo Montagner
This type o question where the candidate can elaborate the answer should be asked by a techinal interviewer. For screening questions (for 1st level filtering), IMO, the questions has to be straight to the point, for example: 1) What is the LSA number for an external route in OSPF? This can have

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Scott Weeks
--- diogo.montag...@gmail.com wrote:\ From: Diogo Montagner diogo.montag...@gmail.com For screening questions (for 1st level filtering), IMO, the questions has to be straight to the point, for example: 1) What is the LSA number for an external route in OSPF? This can have two answer: 5 or 7.

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Jason Baugher
Geez, I'd be happy to find someone with a good attitude, a solid work ethic, and the desire and aptitude to learn. :) Jason On 7/5/2012 5:18 PM, William Herrin wrote: On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Derek Andrew derek.and...@usask.ca wrote: You implement a firewall on which you block all

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Mike Hale
Something tells me you're suddenly going to find yourself with an influx of correct answers... On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 3:18 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Derek Andrew derek.and...@usask.ca wrote: You implement a firewall on which you block all ICMP

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Scott Weeks
--- ja...@thebaughers.com wrote: From: Jason Baugher ja...@thebaughers.com Geez, I'd be happy to find someone with a good attitude, a solid work ethic, and the desire and aptitude to learn. :) --- Yeah, that. But how do you get those folks through the HR

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Jon Lewis
He'll have to come up with another weedout question, like what's a /27? I'm constantly amazed/disappointed when we interview candidates for a senior Linux admin job and they just don't know modern networking at all. Even better question, with multiple right answers, how many IPs are in a /32?

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Owen DeLong
I would use questions such as the following: 1. How many end-sites can be numbered from a single /32. (Correct answers: IPv4 - 1, IPv6 - 65,536) 2. In what circumstance might you need to use IPSEC to secure OSPF instead of MD5 authentication? 3. How

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: I would use questions such as the following: 1. How many end-sites can be numbered from a single /32. (Correct answers: IPv4 - 1, IPv6 - 65,536) IPv6 - 16,777,216 to 268,435,456 :p 5. What is the

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread George Herbert
On Jul 5, 2012, at 5:32 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: 5. What is the reason for the 100m distance limit within an ethernet collision domain? What's an ethernet collision domain? Seriously, when was the last time you dealt with a half duplex ethernet? Last time I built

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Scott Weeks
--- b...@herrin.us wrote: From: William Herrin b...@herrin.us 5. What is the reason for the 100m distance limit within an ethernet collision domain? What's an ethernet collision domain? Seriously, when was the last time you dealt with a half duplex ethernet?

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Randy
apologies for top posting. Everyone, including me have addressed what/how/by who wrt question at hand. Bill- Another poster has already asked this question- Can you post a sample of the answers you have received; which prompted you the ask this question to begin with. ./Randy --- On Thu,

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Randy randy_94...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Thu, 7/5/12, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: The less precise answer, path MTU discovery breaks, is just fine. Precisely! and if I understand correctly, a non-techinical person within HR is expected to hear this

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread valdis . kletnieks
On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 15:05:01 -0600, Derek Andrew said: Isn't MTU discovery on IP and not TCP? AIX actually supported PMTUD for UDP. Not sure if it still does. Yes, it was bizarro even for AIX. No, I'm not aware of any actual UDP applications that were able to do anything useful with this

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Jon Lewis
On Thu, 5 Jul 2012, William Herrin wrote: On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: I would use questions such as the following: 1. How many end-sites can be numbered from a single /32. (Correct answers: IPv4 - 1, IPv6 - 65,536) IPv6 -

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread William Herrin
Can you post a sample of the answers you have received; which prompted you the ask this question to begin with. I've been asking the question in phone interviews for months. I couldn't quote them properly but the answers were... discouraging. No one beyond ping and traceroute. I asked HR last

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 08:32:46PM -0400, William Herrin wrote: What's an ethernet collision domain? Seriously, when was the last time you dealt with a half duplex ethernet? 5 segments 4 repeaters 3 segments with transmitting hosts 2 transit segments 1 collision domain If

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Jon Lewis jle...@lewis.org wrote: You've never (much less recently) seen a customer misconfigure their end of an ethernet handoff such that you end up with duplex mismatch? Granted, in that case, distance is irrelevant...but it is half half-duplex ethernet :) If

RE: Cisco Update

2012-07-05 Thread Keith Medcalf
I see. Replace local access control with let anyone on the internet reconfigure the thing. Whoever's idea it was should be p*ssed on, keelhauled, drawn and quartered, then burned at the stake. --- () ascii ribbon campaign against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org -Original

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Scott Howard
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 10:16 AM, David Coulson da...@davidcoulson.netwrote: What if they said it would cause the generation of port-unreachable ICMP packets to cease, and applications may hang until they timeout? Not the answer you're looking for, but not wrong either. Umm, yeah, it is

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Diogo Montagner
Maybe I was not too clear with my answer. The main idea was to execute a first level of filtering to separate the candidates that put information in their CV that does not match with the basic requirements for the position. For example: - requirement: strong knowledge in routing protocols (list

RE: Cisco Update

2012-07-05 Thread Keith Medcalf
Significantly faster and with far fewer bugs than the Cisco/Linksys as well. --- () ascii ribbon campaign against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org -Original Message- From: David Hubbard [mailto:dhubb...@dino.hostasaurus.com] Sent: Thursday, 05 July, 2012 10:56 To:

Re: Cisco Update

2012-07-05 Thread Joe Greco
I see. Replace local access control with let anyone on the internet reconfigure= the thing. Whoever's idea it was should be p*ssed on, keelhauled, drawn = and quartered, then burned at the stake. It'll get real interesting when Cisco's cloud database is breached and some weakness in

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Randy
--- On Thu, 7/5/12, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: From: William Herrin b...@herrin.us Subject: Re: job screening question To: Jon Lewis jle...@lewis.org Cc: nanog@nanog.org nanog@nanog.org Date: Thursday, July 5, 2012, 6:43 PM On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Jon Lewis

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread valdis . kletnieks
On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 18:36:34 -0700, Leo Bicknell said: If any employer thought that was useful knowledge for a job today I would probably run away, as fast as possible! Only way I'd take that job is with both budget and authority to clean up the mess. However, those kind of things are usually

Re: job screening question

2012-07-05 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jul 5, 2012, at 5:50 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: --- b...@herrin.us wrote: From: William Herrin b...@herrin.us 5. What is the reason for the 100m distance limit within an ethernet collision domain? What's an ethernet collision domain? Seriously, when was the last time you dealt

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