On 22/08/12 06:19, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
Sorry to disrupt the bad cabling thread, but I'd like to revisit a
thread from 2 years ago. I have read over the NANOG presentations:
http://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog48/presentations/Monday/Jasinska_RouteServer_N48.pdf
Brother P-7600 + TZ tape works great for just about all cable in my
experience. They are pretty cheap too @ $150
FWIW.
While Brother Ptouch are great, for labeling Flat Surfaces (equipment
etc) their labels have a tendency to fall apart over a period of time
(heat exposure ?) when used as cable identifiers. (rolling them around
the cable width wise...and this was the more expensive tougher labels).
We have had good luck with the Rhino series of labelers by Dymo. There
are a lot of different label types and the cost of the labels is pretty
reasonable. We bought ours through Grainger supply. There are a lot of
Grainger stores around here and we can usually pick them up out of stock
or we
What are people using to label LC jumpers (simplex and duplex)? I like the
Sheet idea from Leo but does it work well with things not cat5?
Thanks,
Jensen Tyler
Sr Engineering Manager
Fiberutilities Group, LLC
The Dymo Rhino prints small enough so that when the label wraps around
the jumper the text still shows. It lets you set cable diameter so it
knows how small the text needs to be to support the overlap.
Steve
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From: Jensen Tyler [mailto:jty...@fiberutilities.com]
Sent:
Hello ,
I get copyright notices from companies like Irdeto , saying that one of my
customers IP is downloading unauthorized material using bittorent. I also
have processes in place to handle such notices .
Can anyone share how he handles such notices in his ISP environment , i am
ready to adapt
On 22/08/12 06:19, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
...Any feedback appreciated.
I can't speak too highly of BIRD. Our use case is probably not
completely typical, but our multilateral peering route servers have been
hugely improved by switching to BIRD. Our two primary route servers,
one for each LINX
Hello,
I came across this site a few weeks ago
http://code.google.com/p/google-quagga/source/list
Seems that Google (or at least some Googlers) are working on quagga, or
worked as the last update is tagged July 2011.
Main difference I see between Quagga and Bird, is that it is now possible
to
It is not about security. It is about finding enough bits to service 7 digits
number of subs.
yi
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From: Dobbins, Roland [mailto:rdobb...@arbor.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 12:19 AM
To: NANOG list
Subject: Re: Another LTE network turns up as IPv4-only squat space
What's the bubble-wrap for? Protection in case of bird collision?
Looks like they borrowed from Qwest's repair manual. We have a lot of pedestals
around the city that are covered in Hefty bags. Granted, we're in Phoenix, and
there isn't much here that is prepared for rain since we don't get a
Temporary Fix + It Works = Permanent Fix
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Pedersen, Sean sean.peder...@usairways.com
wrote:
What's the bubble-wrap for? Protection in case of bird collision?
Looks like they borrowed from Qwest's repair manual. We have a lot of
pedestals around the city that
In a message written on Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 01:50:08PM +, Jensen Tyler
wrote:
What are people using to label LC jumpers (simplex and duplex)? I like the
Sheet idea from Leo but does it work well with things not cat5?
It works fine with fiber, you just get less space. If you think
about
I tend to go for the cheapest thing you can that will get the job done
professionally.
Chances are any brand will get the same amount of abuse and need to be
replaced around the same time. We use the Brother PT-1400 and for the
price you can't beat it.
Does everything we need (has the features
We're fans of Panduit self laminating labels wrapped around their
LabelCore product (which is pretty much just a piece of foam which
brings the diameter up to about to that of a cat5e cable). Since it
doesn't actually stick to the cable it makes it trivial to remove with
scissors, and you can
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 6:16 AM, groupstudytac groupstudytac
groupstudy...@gmail.com wrote:
I get copyright notices from companies like Irdeto , saying that one of my
customers IP is downloading unauthorized material using bittorent. I also
have processes in place to handle such notices .
Can
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Wayne E Bouchard w...@typo.org wrote:
On 08/20/2012 03:09 PM, Eric Wieling wrote:
http://rock.nyigc.net/verizon/
To be fair, this sort of thing does happen from time to time in
perfectly legitimate situations. In some cases, parts need to be
acquired or
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012, Chu, Yi [NTK] wrote:
It is not about security. It is about finding enough bits to service 7
digits number of subs.
IPv6 takes care of that problem quite effectively :)
If there is a major amount of gear in the network that will not support
IPv6 (apply bat to vendor as
The garbage bags have been on that pole for at least 6+ months.
What will end up happening is what happens every time something like this
happens. We call in trouble tickets for months until we can get the issue
labeled chronic, then we get a Class 1 inspection, then they fix it. One
Contact your Public Utility Commission, they tend to respond better when
there are formal complaints documented.
-Steve
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Eric Wieling ewiel...@nyigc.com wrote:
The garbage bags have been on that pole for at least 6+ months.
What will end up happening is what
They throw complaints from Resale CLECs in the trash. I'm starting to think we
should convert the line to VZ Direct, then have the customer file PUC
complaints, then convert it back when the issue is really resolved. I suspect
that is illegal though and we are not going to do that.
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012, Eric Wieling wrote:
They throw complaints from Resale CLECs in the trash. I'm starting to
think we should convert the line to VZ Direct, then have the customer
file PUC complaints, then convert it back when the issue is really
resolved. I suspect that is illegal though
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Eric Wieling ewiel...@nyigc.com wrote:
[The PUC] throw complaints from Resale CLECs in the trash. I'm
starting to think we should convert the line to VZ Direct,
then have the customer file PUC complaints, then convert
it back when the issue is really
Could you not take then to court for down grading your property values in
your area?
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-Original Message-
From: Eric Wieling [mailto:ewiel...@nyigc.com]
I've seen ATT do this too...
-Mike
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Eric Wieling ewiel...@nyigc.com wrote:
For a while we have had a customer with some lines which go down every
time it rains. We put in the trouble ticket, a couple of days later
Verizon says the issue is resolved...until
From: Eric Wieling [mailto:ewiel...@nyigc.com]
The garbage bags have been on that pole for at least 6+ months.
What will end up happening is what happens every time something like
this happens. We call in trouble tickets for months until we can get
the issue labeled chronic, then we get a
Of those who have used Quagga or Bird, or anything else,
would either of them be appropriate and/or well suited for
use as an iBGP blackhole route server? We currently
do blackholes via manual config on one of our real
routers but are wanting to add a software-based (on linux)
system where we
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:42 PM, David Hubbard
dhubb...@dino.hostasaurus.com wrote:
Of those who have used Quagga or Bird, or anything else,
would either of them be appropriate and/or well suited for
use as an iBGP blackhole route server? We currently
do blackholes via manual config on one of
Most often it's about who you talk to. We had a problem with a low
cable over a driveway that ATT trouble desk did nothing about for a
long time. Next time we called the phone number that appears on some of
their pedestals and turns out to be some kind of outside plant oriented
help desk and
Hello Everybody,
Has any body any good and easy setup idea for Fair Use Policy service for
my xdsl customers?!
Can do this in the BRAS side and nothing done with accounting and radius?
Thanks
--
Regards,
Shahab Vahabzadeh, Network Engineer and System Administrator
Cell Phone: +1 (415) 871 0742
Of all the legal advice I've seen posted to NANOG, I think this might be the
first time it's come from a lawyer.
Great post, Anne. Thanks for the advice.
Owen
On Aug 22, 2012, at 11:17 , Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. amitch...@isipp.com
wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 6:16 AM, groupstudytac
Dear Owen,
As you know in pick time of internet usage like midnight in which we have
free-access times too, some users which really want to use internet for
their daily usage and not downloading or using peer-to-peer services
unfairly affecting this problem.
Some companies are using some polices
Now you did it Anne, prepare for the deluge of advice requests :)
Seriously though, thanks for chiming in on this.
Steven Naslund
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From: Owen DeLong [mailto:o...@delong.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 1:43 PM
To: Anne P. Mitchell, Esq.
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
What I am talking mostly is some services like COA, in which you can change
users shape time-base and periodically without disconnecting them.
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:33 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
If you want to control usage that way, sell a metered product. Bill the
heavy
From nanog-bounces+bonomi=mail.r-bonomi@nanog.org Wed Aug 22 10:54:49
2012
From: William Herrin b...@herrin.us
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:54:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Copyright infringement notice
To: groupstudytac groupstudytac groupstudy...@gmail.com
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
On Thu, Aug 16,
I am using Cisco 7206 VXR with NPE-G2 as my BRAS's.
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:40 PM, Alastair Johnson a...@sneep.net wrote:
Depends on your BRAS. Some support time-of-day or other threshold based
policy changes.
Generally speaking though you would be better going to an external policy
Sure -- Sounds good.
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Dear Owen,
Would you please describe this some how more in my bussiness plan?
I have both limited and unlimited users.
For example I have these services in my package:
512Kb-5GB-1Month
256Kb-Unlimit-1Month
And like this.
Thanks
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 12:02 AM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
On 22.08.2012 11:22, John Souter wrote:
On 22/08/12 06:19, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
...Any feedback appreciated.
I can't speak too highly of BIRD. Our use case is probably not
completely typical, but our multilateral peering route servers have been
hugely improved by switching to BIRD. Our
On Wed August 22 2012 14:07, Robert Bonomi wrote:
I'm NOT SURE whether the ISP has any potential liability in _this_
situation -- there's nothing 'published' by their customer for them to
'take down', etc.
Actually, I believe in most cases the only way they (DMCA) see the
data is that it _is_
Personally I would like to see more work on all three opensource
implementations, i.e. BIRD, OpenBGPd and Quagga.
http://opensourcerouting.org/ to the rescue?
--
Christian Esteve Rothenberg, Ph.D.
Converged Networks Business Unit
CPqD - Center for Research and Development in
Hi Shahab,
You can find out how much bandwidth they're using by having that
reported periodically via RADIUS (or at least when the session ends,
worst case). Store in database. SELECT sum(blah) from foo where id=bar.
Next question is what do you want to do to them once they exceed their
I how you are talking about 3G or there is a typo.
An ISP with a 5GB cap that is charging the end user more then 5$ total
{including line rental} a month should not be allow to operate.
And if your infrastructure and handle 25% at a minimum maxing out their
connect them don't advertise unlimited
On Aug 22, 2012, at 17:06, Bacon Zombie wrote:
An ISP with a 5GB cap that is charging the end user more then 5$ total
{including line rental} a month should not be allow to operate.
I agree entirely. The US is not exactly known for great broadband access,
particularly where I live in the
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:17:14 -0400, Sean Harlow said:
Wired internet providers should not even be thinking about caps below the 250
GB/mo point. Neither of these example speeds can even reach that level, so if
you feel the need to cap you are doing it wrong and should rethink your
business
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Sean Harlow s...@seanharlow.info wrote:
On Aug 22, 2012, at 17:06, Bacon Zombie wrote:
An ISP with a 5GB cap that is charging the end user more then 5$ total
{including line rental} a month should not be allow to operate.
I agree entirely. The US is not
And, in the other camp, unlimited offerings from T-Mobile, Sprint, and Metro
Well...sort of. To be fair, the T-Mo version of unlimited is unlimited up to a
certain amount
(that you paid for) and then all-you-can-sip at incredibly low speed thereafter.
(At least that's what their marketing
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
And, in the other camp, unlimited offerings from T-Mobile, Sprint, and Metro
Well...sort of. To be fair, the T-Mo version of unlimited is unlimited up to
a certain amount
(that you paid for) and then all-you-can-sip at
On Aug 22, 2012, at 17:35, Owen DeLong wrote:
Well...sort of. To be fair, the T-Mo version of unlimited is unlimited up to
a certain amount
(that you paid for) and then all-you-can-sip at incredibly low speed
thereafter.
The new plans being brought out are supposedly true unlimited, but
The 6 strikes system doesn't kick in til Jan 2013 AFAIK.
Does the legal letter make any kind of demand? Usually the sender (aka
copyright troll - a technical term) will be looking for personal info to
associate with the IP in order to institute a shakedown of some nature.
IANAL but I believe one
On Aug 22, 2012, at 14:53 , Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote:
From nanog-bounces+bonomi=mail.r-bonomi@nanog.org Wed Aug 22 14:55:41
2012
From: Larry Smith lesm...@ecsis.net
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Copyright infringement notice
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:55:13
On Aug 22, 2012, at 14:45 , Cameron Byrne cb.li...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
And, in the other camp, unlimited offerings from T-Mobile, Sprint, and Metro
Well...sort of. To be fair, the T-Mo version of unlimited is unlimited up
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq.
amitch...@isipp.com wrote:
If you're in the U.S., the process for handling these notices is
prescribed by law, specifically the Digital Millennium Copyright Act
(search: DMCA takedown notice). It details what the infringement
The thing
In message 20120822192026.47fba...@concur.batblue.com, Babak Pasdar writes:
Sure -- Sounds good.
*What* sounds good?
You top posted to a digest with multiple threads in it. If you are
going to reply to a digest DO NOT TOP POST the entire digest. Trim
the message down to the message(s) you are
On 8/22/12, Bacon Zombie baconzom...@gmail.com wrote:
I how you are talking about 3G or there is a typo.
An ISP with a 5GB cap that is charging the end user more then 5$ total
{including line rental} a month should not be allow to operate.
I don't believe $5 even covers an ISP's typical cost
Yeah, totally can't be done. It especially can't be done profitably.
http://fiber.google.com/
http://gigaom.com/2012/07/26/the-economics-of-google-fiber-and-what-it-means-for-u-s-broadband/
On Aug 22, 2012, at 5:41 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote:
On 8/22/12, Bacon Zombie baconzom...@gmail.com wrote:
I
On 8/22/12, Benjamin Krueger benja...@seattlefenix.net wrote:
Yeah, totally can't be done. It especially can't be done profitably.
Google can afford to start almost any project they want, and they are
in a unique position to negotiate peering and access to a ton of
bandwidth, with their
On Aug 22, 2012, at 17:41 , Jimmy Hess mysi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/22/12, Bacon Zombie baconzom...@gmail.com wrote:
I how you are talking about 3G or there is a typo.
An ISP with a 5GB cap that is charging the end user more then 5$ total
{including line rental} a month should not be allow
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Jimmy Hess mysi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/22/12, Bacon Zombie baconzom...@gmail.com wrote:
I how you are talking about 3G or there is a typo.
An ISP with a 5GB cap that is charging the end user more then 5$ total
{including line rental} a month should not be
Google can afford to start almost any project they want, and they are
in a unique position to negotiate peering and access to a ton of
bandwidth,
... kind of like all the other major incumbents like att, Comcast, and
all those. Of course, the difference is that att, Comcast, etc., all
have
A unique position? Unlike those poor residential ISPs who only have literally
millions of subscribers to use as leverage in peering negotiations. Perhaps
more accurately, rather than saying Google can afford to start almost any
project they want we should say Google doesn't suffer the
I just wish that someone...Google or ANYONE else would do something like Google
Fiber in the technological wasteland where I live instead of focusing only on
hotbeds of high-speed internet and well-connected customers like Kansas City,
parts of North Dakota, Minnesota, etc.
Here in my
On Aug 22, 2012, at 21:25, William Herrin wrote:
Works for the electric company, the gas company, the water company,
etc. Metering I mean, not a use cap. The notion of a cap is pretty
broken.
The difference is that gas, water, and electricity are all resources that have
actual costs relevant
In message 391af4eb-239d-4982-8682-643253440...@seanharlow.info, Sean Harlow
writes:
On Aug 22, 2012, at 21:25, William Herrin wrote:
Works for the electric company, the gas company, the water company,
etc. Metering I mean, not a use cap. The notion of a cap is pretty
broken.
The
On 22/08/12 5:09 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
You top posted to a digest with multiple threads in it. If you are
going to reply to a digest DO NOT TOP POST the entire digest. Trim the
message down to the message(s) you are replying to and fix the subject
line. You choose to receive digests. With
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012, Sean Harlow wrote:
As far as I can tell, the actual cost of the bits being transferred is
so minuscule as to be practically irrelevant for anyone who's not at the
scale to be dealing directly with Tier 1 carriers. Capacity costs
money, but once it's there utilization is
172.0.0.0-172.15.255.255 was allocated on 2012-08-20 to ATT Internet
Services.
--
Dan White
Dan,
Can you provide a link to support this?
If this is true, I wonder how this will work.
Otis
-Original Message-
From: Dan White [mailto:dwh...@olp.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:24 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated
172.0.0.0-172.15.255.255 was
whois on 172.0.0.0 will tell you
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Otis L. Surratt, Jr. o...@ocosa.com wrote:
Dan,
Can you provide a link to support this?
If this is true, I wonder how this will work.
Otis
-Original Message-
From: Dan White [mailto:dwh...@olp.net]
Sent: Thursday,
On 8/23/2012 1:29 AM, Otis L. Surratt, Jr. wrote:
Dan,
Can you provide a link to support this?
http://whois.arin.net/rest/nets;q=172.0.0.0?showDetails=true
If this is true, I wonder how this will work.
Otis
-Original Message-
From: Dan White [mailto:dwh...@olp.net]
Sent:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:29:22 -0500, Otis L. Surratt, Jr. said:
Can you provide a link to support this?
If this is true, I wonder how this will work.
172.0.0.0-172.15.255.255 was allocated on 2012-08-20 to ATT Internet
Services.
Why shouldn't it work? RFC1918 space is 172.16/12, there's no
I've been working too long.in my mind I was seeing 127.0.0.0 which I
was like wow a violation.
-Original Message-
From: Willy Wong [mailto:willy...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:32 AM
To: Otis L. Surratt, Jr.
Cc: Dan White; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: 172.0.0.0/12
You can do a whois search at arin.net to see the allocation.
172.0.0.0/12 is often confused with the private 172.16.0.0/12 address
space, which I would consider a 'scraping the bottom of the barrel'
allocation.
I also noticed a couple of subnets in that range showing up in the weekly
Cidr
owen.delong.com:owen /home4/owen (102) % whois -h whois.arin.net 172.0.0.0
[Querying whois.arin.net]
[whois.arin.net]
#
# Query terms are ambiguous. The query is assumed to be:
# n 172.0.0.0
#
# Use ? to get help.
#
#
# The following results may also be obtained via:
#
Why do you think it doesn't work?
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23.08.2012, в 9:29, Otis L. Surratt, Jr. o...@ocosa.com написал(а):
Dan,
Can you provide a link to support this?
If this is true, I wonder how this will work.
Otis
-Original Message-
From: Dan White [mailto:dwh...@olp.net]
On Aug 22, 2012, at 10:36 PM, Dan White dwh...@olp.net wrote:
I also noticed a couple of subnets in that range showing up in the weekly
Cidr reports, beginning in July.
Tests to see how bad /8 filters were before allocating the /12?
Just curious...
George William Herbert
Sent from my
On 8/23/12, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:29:22 -0500, Otis L. Surratt, Jr. said:
172.0.0.0-172.15.255.255 was allocated on 2012-08-20 to ATT Internet
Services.
Why shouldn't it work? RFC1918 space is 172.16/12, there's no overlap.
I know that,
My apologies again, I saw it as 127.0.0.0. and not 172.0.0.0.
I've been working long hours last couple nights. Yeah you are probably right,
since they to pulled that one very close to RFC1918.
http://bgp.potaroo.net/ipv4-stats/allocated-arin.html
I would hate to be ATT for this IP allocation.
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