Belpak / Beltelecom contact to address a BGP hijacking issue?

2012-10-29 Thread Sarah Nataf
Hi all, Does anyone have a technical or peering contact at Belpak / Beltelecom (AS 66697) to address an apparent netblock hijacking issue? AS6697 is advertising the 2.2.2.0/24 address space which is under AS3215 management. We've tried to announce the same prefix but it's difficult to get the

Re: IOS architecture

2012-10-29 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 11:16:10 +0100, Darren O'Connor said: All vendors should be writing in depth architecture books. The Juniper MX book is a great example. Tell us exactly what your product can do and we'll likely use more of it On the flip side, if you document what your product is probably

Re: IOS architecture

2012-10-29 Thread Aled Morris
On 29 October 2012 12:43, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 11:16:10 +0100, Darren O'Connor said: All vendors should be writing in depth architecture books. The Juniper MX book is a great example. Tell us exactly what your product can do and we'll likely use more of it

Re: IP tunnel MTU

2012-10-29 Thread Ray Soucy
The core issue here is TCP MSS. PMTUD is a dynamic process for adjusting MSS, but requires that ICMP be permitted to negotiate the connection. The realistic alternative, in a world that filters all ICMP traffic, is to manually rewrite the MSS. In IOS this can be achieved via ip tcp adjust-mss

RE: IP tunnel MTU

2012-10-29 Thread Templin, Fred L
Hi Ray, MSS rewriting has been well known and broadly applied for a long time now, but only applies to TCP. The subject of MSS rewriting comes up all the time in the IETF wg discussions, but has failed to reach consensus as a long-term alternative. Plus, MSS rewriting does no good for

the little ssh that (sometimes) couldn't

2012-10-29 Thread bmanning
corruption! http://mina.naguib.ca/blog/2012/10/22/the-little-ssh-that-sometimes-couldnt.html /bill

Re: Belpak / Beltelecom contact to address a BGP hijacking issue?

2012-10-29 Thread Anurag Bhatia
Hello Sarah Seems like they are not advertising it anymore. AS6697 has transit from Level3 and peering/transit from HE. Both of them show path to AS3215 for that prefix now. http://lookingglass.level3.net/ BGP query on all sites seems OK for now. Also same on results from Oregon as well as

Re: the little ssh that (sometimes) couldn't

2012-10-29 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:07 AM, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: corruption! http://mina.naguib.ca/blog/2012/10/22/the-little-ssh-that-sometimes-couldnt.html /bill This is an excellent full-stack debugging war story. Thanks for posting it, Bill. -- -george william herbert

[NANOG-announce] 2012 NANOG Election Results

2012-10-29 Thread Sylvie LaPerriere
*Greetings NANOG Colleagues, As usual for our October meetings, there has been a lot happening with our elections process and more announcements to come over the next few days. We wanted to give you a quick heads-up. Huge thank yous to our Executive Director, Betty Burke, our NANOG Secretariat,

Re: the little ssh that (sometimes) couldn't

2012-10-29 Thread Jon Lewis
On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: corruption! http://mina.naguib.ca/blog/2012/10/22/the-little-ssh-that-sometimes-couldnt.html Bush league. I debugged a similar issue on Sprint's network about 15 years ago, also nailing it down to which router/router hop had the

Network scan tool/appliance horror stories

2012-10-29 Thread Pedersen, Sean
We're evaluating several tools at the moment, and one vendor wants to dynamically scan our network to pick up hosts - SNMP, port-scans, WMI, the works. I was curious if anyone had any particularly gruesome horror stories of scanning tools run amok.

Re: the little ssh that (sometimes) couldn't

2012-10-29 Thread Robert Drake
On 10/29/2012 02:54 PM, Jon Lewis wrote: Bush league. I debugged a similar issue on Sprint's network about 15 years ago, also nailing it down to which router/router hop had the problem When I was working for Sprint about 12 years ago, we had a circuit where the customer complained that we

Re: IP tunnel MTU

2012-10-29 Thread Ray Soucy
Sorry, glanced at this and thought it was someone having problems with tunnel MTU without adjusting TCP MSS. Nice work, though my preference is to avoid tunnels at all costs :-) On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Templin, Fred L fred.l.temp...@boeing.com wrote: Hi Ray, MSS rewriting has

Re: Network scan tool/appliance horror stories

2012-10-29 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Mon, 29 Oct 2012, Pedersen, Sean wrote: We're evaluating several tools at the moment, and one vendor wants to dynamically scan our network to pick up hosts - SNMP, port-scans, WMI, the works. I was curious if anyone had any particularly gruesome horror stories of scanning tools run amok.

Re: IP tunnel MTU

2012-10-29 Thread Shahab Vahabzadeh
Hi there, I have the same problem in my network, I have GRE tunnel for transfering users real internet traffic, they have problems with browsing websites like yahoo.com or microsoft.com. I had to set ip mtu 1500 to solve it, and it occurs fragmantation... Thanks On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:47 PM,

Re: Network scan tool/appliance horror stories

2012-10-29 Thread Bacon Zombie
It all depends on what tools they are using and how you have your system setup. Both NMAP and Nessus can check system\service to see if common accounts have default or non password at all. This can cause these accounts to be locked out. There are other exploits that can cause systems\services to

Re: Network scan tool/appliance horror stories

2012-10-29 Thread Paul Thornton
On 29/10/2012 19:25, Justin M. Streiner wrote: Also, if you're doing IPv6, the performance metrics for many network devices can be a bit more of a moving target. I'd almost be tempted to set up a few machines doing v6 only on the LAN, with some trivial to exploit telnet/SNMP access then

[NANOG-announce] 2012 Program Committee Appointments Announcement

2012-10-29 Thread Sylvie LaPerriere
*Greetings NANOG Colleagues, * * The Board has completed the Program Committee selection process. This year, twenty members submitted their candidacies for eight available positions. We want to thank each and every one of them for considering this important service to our community and

Re: Network scan tool/appliance horror stories

2012-10-29 Thread Jared Mauch
I heard a story in the past year of someone that had a system get scanned and it opened a ticket with their IT department for each time they scanned them. Eventually the IT department system crashed due to the excessive number of tickets being opened by their scanning tool. The network was

Re: Network scan tool/appliance horror stories

2012-10-29 Thread Dan White
On 10/29/12 12:10 -0700, Pedersen, Sean wrote: We're evaluating several tools at the moment, and one vendor wants to dynamically scan our network to pick up hosts - SNMP, port-scans, WMI, the works. I was curious if anyone had any particularly gruesome horror stories of scanning tools run amok.

Re: IP tunnel MTU

2012-10-29 Thread Joe Maimon
Templin, Fred L wrote: Yes; I was aware of this. But, what I want to get to is setting the tunnel MTU to infinity. Essentially, its time the network matured to the point where inter-networking actually works (again), seamlessly. I agree. Joe

Re: IP tunnel MTU

2012-10-29 Thread Jared Mauch
On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:46 PM, Joe Maimon jmai...@ttec.com wrote: Templin, Fred L wrote: Yes; I was aware of this. But, what I want to get to is setting the tunnel MTU to infinity. Essentially, its time the network matured to the point where inter-networking actually works (again),

Re: IP tunnel MTU

2012-10-29 Thread Tim Durack
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:01 PM, Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net wrote: On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:46 PM, Joe Maimon jmai...@ttec.com wrote: Templin, Fred L wrote: Yes; I was aware of this. But, what I want to get to is setting the tunnel MTU to infinity. Essentially, its time the network

[NANOG-announce] 2012 Development Committee Appointments Announcement

2012-10-29 Thread Sylvie LaPerriere
*Greetings NANOG Colleagues, * * * *The Board has completed the Development Committee selection process for 2012. We are pleased to announce the two-year term appointment of Michael Buchner, Jezzibell Gilmore, Gina Haspillaire and Misako Manca and the one-year term appointment of Michael Rascoe

Re: IP tunnel MTU

2012-10-29 Thread bmanning
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 03:46:57PM -0400, Joe Maimon wrote: Templin, Fred L wrote: Yes; I was aware of this. But, what I want to get to is setting the tunnel MTU to infinity. Essentially, its time the network matured to the point where inter-networking actually works (again),

Re: IP tunnel MTU

2012-10-29 Thread Joe Maimon
Jared Mauch wrote: On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:46 PM, Joe Maimon jmai...@ttec.com wrote: Templin, Fred L wrote: Yes; I was aware of this. But, what I want to get to is setting the tunnel MTU to infinity. Essentially, its time the network matured to the point where inter-networking

Re: IP tunnel MTU

2012-10-29 Thread Joe Maimon
bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 03:46:57PM -0400, Joe Maimon wrote: Templin, Fred L wrote: Yes; I was aware of this. But, what I want to get to is setting the tunnel MTU to infinity. Essentially, its time the network matured to the point where

Re: IP tunnel MTU

2012-10-29 Thread Jared Mauch
On Oct 29, 2012, at 4:43 PM, Joe Maimon jmai...@ttec.com wrote: Jared Mauch wrote: On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:46 PM, Joe Maimon jmai...@ttec.com wrote: Templin, Fred L wrote: Yes; I was aware of this. But, what I want to get to is setting the tunnel MTU to infinity.

RE: Network scan tool/appliance horror stories

2012-10-29 Thread Rutis, Cameron
During scans at various times in the past (and depending on throttling and settings of that scan) we've seen: 1) small remote site firewalls doing site to site vpns drop a small number of packets 2) locally installed remote control service popup a 'user has been disconnected' error on PCs when

RE: IP tunnel MTU

2012-10-29 Thread Templin, Fred L
I wish you luck in getting your host IP stacks to work properly without ICMP, especially as you deploy IPv6. From what I've heard, ICMPv6 is already being filtered, including PTBs. I have also heard that IPv6 fragments are also being dropped unconditionally along some paths. So, if neither

Re: IP tunnel MTU

2012-10-29 Thread Joe Maimon
Jared Mauch wrote: ICMP is just not the way it is ever going to work. I wish you luck in getting your host IP stacks to work properly without ICMP, especially as you deploy IPv6. - Jared Precisely the state we are in. Looking for luck. Joe

Re: IP tunnel MTU

2012-10-29 Thread bmanning
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 04:44:40PM -0400, Joe Maimon wrote: bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 03:46:57PM -0400, Joe Maimon wrote: Templin, Fred L wrote: Yes; I was aware of this. But, what I want to get to is setting the tunnel MTU to infinity.

[NANOG-announce] 2012 Communications Committee Appointments Announcement

2012-10-29 Thread Sylvie LaPerriere
*Greetings NANOG Colleagues, * * The Board has completed the Communications Committee selection process for 2012. We are pleased to announce the two-year term appointment of Larry Blunk, Colin Corbett and Andrew Koch to the Communications Committee. We also want to thank and recognize Randy

Re: IP tunnel MTU

2012-10-29 Thread Joe Maimon
bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: you mean its safe to turn off the VPNs? /bill Quite the reverse. Joe so its tunnels all the way down... maybe we should just go back to a circuit oriented network, eh? /bill Its not safe to turn on VPNs. Joe

Re: IP tunnel MTU

2012-10-29 Thread William Herrin
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu wrote: The core issue here is TCP MSS. PMTUD is a dynamic process for adjusting MSS, but requires that ICMP be permitted to negotiate the connection. The realistic alternative, in a world that filters all ICMP traffic, is to manually

RE: IP tunnel MTU

2012-10-29 Thread Templin, Fred L
Hi Bill, Maybe something as simple as clearing the don't fragment flag and adding a TCP option to report receipt of a fragmented packet along with the fragment sizes back to the sender so he can adjust his mss to avoid fragmentation. That is in fact what SEAL is doing, but there is no

Re: IP tunnel MTU

2012-10-29 Thread Chris Woodfield
True, but it could be used as an alternative PMTUD algorithm - raise the segment size and wait for the I got this as fragments option to show up... Of course, this only works for IPv4. IPv6 users are SOL if something in the middle is dropping ICMPv6. -C On Oct 29, 2012, at 4:02 PM, Templin,

Re: Network scan tool/appliance horror stories

2012-10-29 Thread nick hatch
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Pedersen, Sean sean.peder...@usairways.com wrote: I was curious if anyone had any particularly gruesome horror stories of scanning tools run amok. A particular model of ShoreTel voice switches I used to administer (running VxWorks, IIRC) would reliably lock

Re: IPv4 address length technical design

2012-10-29 Thread Jeroen van Aart
On 10/03/2012 09:52 AM, Seth Mos wrote: Op 3-10-2012 18:33, Kevin Broderick schreef: I'll add that in the mid-90's, in a University Of Washington lecture hall, Vint Cerf expressed some regret over going with 32 bits. Chuckle worthy and at the time, and a fond memory - K Pick a number between

Re: the little ssh that (sometimes) couldn't

2012-10-29 Thread Mike O'Connor
: :corruption! : : :http://mina.naguib.ca/blog/2012/10/22/the-little-ssh-that-sometimes-couldnt.html I ran into a similar issue with a customer just a few days ago! The customer's theory was that there was something badly wrong with their dorky gateway/switch (which we sold and support sigh).

Re: IP tunnel MTU

2012-10-29 Thread Masataka Ohta
Templin, Fred L wrote: I wish you luck in getting your host IP stacks to work properly without ICMP, especially as you deploy IPv6. From what I've heard, ICMPv6 is already being filtered, including PTBs. As v6 PTBs are specified to be generated even against multicast packets, it is of course

Re: Network scan tool/appliance horror stories

2012-10-29 Thread Ryan Malayter
On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:55 PM, Rutis, Cameron 6) large stacks of 3750s (six or more members) have issues around CPU during certain SNMP commands (I want to say some sort of getbulk type of command) The first four were pretty minor although #3 could generate a lot of calls to the

Re: Network scan tool/appliance horror stories

2012-10-29 Thread Andreas Ott
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 12:10:40PM -0700, Pedersen, Sean wrote: We're evaluating several tools at the moment, and one vendor wants to dynamically scan our network to pick up hosts - SNMP, port-scans, WMI, the works. I was curious if anyone had any particularly gruesome horror stories of