APRICOT 2013 in Singapore

2012-11-15 Thread Philip Smith
Hi everyone, Just to let you know that the call for papers for APRICOT 2013 (in Singapore next February) opened a few days ago. Rather than posting the whole cfp here, you can see it via the programme page on the APRICOT website - www.apricot2013.net/program. NANOG and APRICOT are the network

RE: What is BCP re De-Aggregation: strict filtering /48s out of /32 RIR minimums.

2012-11-15 Thread Ben S. Butler
Hi, I thought I would share an extract from an email I sent off list to a peer. My mail was a rather ramberly stream of consciousness exploring the issue, which worked its way to a potential solution... Hence why I am sharing an extract from it. I am not sure how practicably implementable it

Dns sometimes fails using Google DNS / automatic dnssec

2012-11-15 Thread MailPlus| David Hofstee
Hi, We've been seeing automatic RRSIG records on Google DNS lately, the 8.8.8.8 en 8.8.4.4. They are not always provided. They cause problems for some of our customers in a weird way I cannot explain. For them these records do not resolve but I cannot reproduce it. So when I run dig command

RE: Eaton 9130 UPS feedback

2012-11-15 Thread Brandt, Ralph
Note the EATON Press release. Maybe the burn on the bench is the way they get to the California energy reduction Standards? If it isn't working it isn't using power. Date: 23 October 2012 Latest Eaton Thought Leadership White Paper Provides Technical Analysis of Eaton's Energy Saver System

Re: Dns sometimes fails using Google DNS / automatic dnssec

2012-11-15 Thread Yunhong Gu
Hi, David I work at Google Public DNS and will take a look at this issue. No RRSIG should be returned unless the client set the DO bit to ask for it. Thanks Yunhong On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 9:12 AM, MailPlus| David Hofstee da...@mailplus.nl wrote: Hi, We've been seeing automatic RRSIG records

RE: Eaton 9130 UPS feedback

2012-11-15 Thread Tom Morris
Yeah, that's about right. When I had one fail that was not set in power saver mode, it just shut off intermittently before letting out the genie. When I had one go out while it was in energy saver mode, it continued to operate but put out a weak ~80Vrms with heavy distortion that caused equipment

Re: Brasil/Mexico/Argentina connectivity

2012-11-15 Thread Jima
On Wednesday, November 14th, 2012, Olivier CALVANO wrote: I am search one or more carrier for connect 3 sites in Brasil, Mexico and Argentina to one of our pop in USA or Spain. I don't deal with it directly, but my employer has used MPLS offerings from (in alphabetical order) BT, Level

RE: Dns sometimes fails using Google DNS / automatic dnssec

2012-11-15 Thread MailPlus| David Hofstee
root@e3:/home/services# dig @8.8.8.8 m1.mailplus.nl ; DiG 9.7.3 @8.8.8.8 m1.mailplus.nl ; (1 server found) ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 38880 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION:

RE: Dns sometimes fails using Google DNS / automatic dnssec

2012-11-15 Thread Jay Ford
It looks like if the server has the RRSIG RR, it returns it. For example, a query with +dnssec will cause it to cache the RRSIG, after which it returns it even if +dnssec not specified. Jay Ford, Network Engineering Group,

Re: Dns sometimes fails using Google DNS / automatic dnssec

2012-11-15 Thread Yunhong Gu
Hi, we have found the bug that caused this problem. It was introduced in a very recent release. The fix is on its way. Thanks very much for the report, Yunhong On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Jay Ford jay-f...@uiowa.edu wrote: It looks like if the server has the RRSIG RR, it returns it. For

Re: Brasil/Mexico/Argentina connectivity

2012-11-15 Thread alejandroacostaalamo
Hi Jima, I can help you contacting BT if you need so. Alejandro, --Mensaje original-- De: Jima Para: nanog@nanog.org Asunto: Re: Brasil/Mexico/Argentina connectivity Enviado: 15 nov, 2012 11:35 On Wednesday, November 14th, 2012, Olivier CALVANO wrote: I am search one or more

RE: Dns sometimes fails using Google DNS / automatic dnssec

2012-11-15 Thread Tony Finch
Jay Ford jay-f...@uiowa.edu wrote: It looks like if the server has the RRSIG RR, it returns it. For example, a query with +dnssec will cause it to cache the RRSIG, after which it returns it even if +dnssec not specified. It's weird. If you repeatedly query 8.8.4.4 without the DO bit, you get

RE: authority to route?

2012-11-15 Thread Schiller, Heather A
..for some blocks I've taken over admin for. Make sure you are visibly listed as a Point of Contact on those records in the appropriate RIR, so that folks who get your request can verify you. Even better, register in your RIR's RPKI program and generate a ROA for it. Info about ARIN's

MPLS acceptable latency?

2012-11-15 Thread Mikeal Clark
Hello! I have some ATT MPLS sites under a managed contract with latency averaging 75-85 ms without any load. These sites are only 45 minutes away. What is considered normal/acceptable? Thanks,

Re: MPLS acceptable latency?

2012-11-15 Thread Dan White
On 11/15/12 12:54 -0600, Mikeal Clark wrote: Hello! I have some ATT MPLS sites under a managed contract with latency averaging 75-85 ms without any load. These sites are only 45 minutes away. What is considered normal/acceptable? I recently had a scenario with some MPLS sites within the

Re: MPLS acceptable latency?

2012-11-15 Thread Mike Hale
Acceptable from a technical standpoint (in that stuff works) or acceptable from an expected service standpoint? In the case of the former, MPLS can run over really high latencies, so you're nowhere near the limit. For the latter, 85ms would be highly unacceptable to me for a circuit to a site

Re: MPLS acceptable latency?

2012-11-15 Thread Scott Weeks
--- mikeal.cl...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mikeal Clark mikeal.cl...@gmail.com I have some ATT MPLS sites under a managed contract with latency averaging 75-85 ms without any load. These sites are only 45 minutes away. What is considered normal/acceptable?

Re: MPLS acceptable latency?

2012-11-15 Thread Jared Mauch
On Nov 15, 2012, at 1:54 PM, Mikeal Clark wrote: Hello! I have some ATT MPLS sites under a managed contract with latency averaging 75-85 ms without any load. These sites are only 45 minutes away. What is considered normal/acceptable? MPLS as a technology should not add any significant

Re: MPLS acceptable latency?

2012-11-15 Thread Jared Mauch
On Nov 15, 2012, at 2:15 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: --- mikeal.cl...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mikeal Clark mikeal.cl...@gmail.com I have some ATT MPLS sites under a managed contract with latency averaging 75-85 ms without any load. These sites are only 45 minutes away. What is considered

Re: MPLS acceptable latency?

2012-11-15 Thread Mikeal Clark
The location in question is 7 T1s. They were not willing to give us fiber. On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net wrote: On Nov 15, 2012, at 2:15 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: --- mikeal.cl...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mikeal Clark mikeal.cl...@gmail.com I have some

Re: MPLS acceptable latency?

2012-11-15 Thread PC
Your provider is likely backhauling the circuits opposite directions to PE routers in a different geographic local than the sites. It's time to have a discussion with your sales engineer about the physical pathing of your circuits and PE router locations. When I know I have latency critical

Re: MPLS acceptable latency?

2012-11-15 Thread Wes Tribble
I concur. We have sites all over the US and it is about 80-100 ms from coast to coast with both of our MPLS providers. 45 minutes away your latency should be 5ms on a decent network. - --- mikeal.cl...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mikeal Clark

Re: MPLS acceptable latency?

2012-11-15 Thread Scott Weeks
--- ja...@puck.nether.net wrote: On Nov 15, 2012, at 2:15 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: --- mikeal.cl...@gmail.com wrote: I have some ATT MPLS sites under a managed contract with latency averaging 75-85 ms without any load. These sites are only 45 minutes away. What is considered

Fwd: MPLS acceptable latency?

2012-11-15 Thread david peahi
-- Forwarded message -- From: david peahi davidpe...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 12:15 PM Subject: Re: MPLS acceptable latency? To: Mikeal Clark mikeal.cl...@gmail.com Assuming no configuration errors, this underscores the need to negotiate SLAs, and serious SLA

re: Fwd: MPLS acceptable latency?

2012-11-15 Thread eric-l...@truenet.com
boldMy humble opinion/bold SLAs are more for accountants and lawyers. Get the right tech support on the phone and you can solve most issues without all the hassle. SLAs really are minimal if you can contact the right people and work through the problem. +1 to Level3 and Cogent as I have had

Re: What is BCP re De-Aggregation: strict filtering /48s out of /32 RIR minimums.

2012-11-15 Thread Matthew Petach
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:15 AM, Ben S. Butler ben.but...@c2internet.net wrote: Hi, ... snip ... What we need is a way to filter that says throw this prefix away if I can see it inside of another prefix. Ie discard this /48 if it is part of a /32 (or bigger) that I also have in my RIB and

Re: MPLS acceptable latency?

2012-11-15 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Mikeal Clark mikeal.cl...@gmail.com wrote: I have some ATT MPLS sites under a managed contract with latency averaging 75-85 ms without any load. These sites are only 45 minutes away. I've noticed this with ATT's MPLS product when dealing with the internal

Re: MPLS acceptable latency?

2012-11-15 Thread Randy
--- On Thu, 11/15/12, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: From: William Herrin b...@herrin.us Subject: Re: MPLS acceptable latency? To: Mikeal Clark mikeal.cl...@gmail.com Cc: NANOG [nanog@nanog.org] nanog@nanog.org Date: Thursday, November 15, 2012, 1:23 PM On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:54

Re: MPLS acceptable latency?

2012-11-15 Thread Alex
Perhaps the network is oldish and there are BW bottlenecks that lead to queues on the switches/routers that results in higher latency. This would depend alot on the internal QoS strategy used by ATT, the type of equipment used and the load in different parts of the network. The only way to

RE: What is BCP re De-Aggregation: strict filtering /48s out of /32 RIR minimums.

2012-11-15 Thread Ben S. Butler
Hi, Ok. I am trying to encourage an inclusive exploration of an issue that seems to be emergent. I am trying to get the community to articulate BCP not dictate it. Would you want this logic to still apply if you have ::/0 in your table anywhere? Yes obviously limits would apply to the filter

Re: authority to route?

2012-11-15 Thread Kyle Creyts
Jeez, isn't RPKI supposed to solve this problem? On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Schiller, Heather A heather.schil...@verizon.com wrote: ..for some blocks I've taken over admin for. Make sure you are visibly listed as a Point of Contact on those records in the appropriate RIR, so that