Re: Gmail and SSL

2012-12-30 Thread Keith Medcalf
Your assertion that using bought certificates provides any security benefit whatsoever assumes facts not in evidence. Given recent failures in this space I would posit that the requirement to use certificates purchased from entities under the thumb of government control, clearly motivated only

Re: Gmail and SSL

2012-12-30 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Keith Medcalf kmedc...@dessus.com wrote: Your assertion that using bought certificates provides any security benefit whatsoever assumes facts not in evidence. Given recent failures in this space I would posit that the requirement to use certificates

Re: Gmail and SSL

2012-12-30 Thread Keith Medcalf
While i will agree that the client being able to validate the certificate directly is the best place to be, I do not see any advantage of requiring purchased certificates over self-signed certificates.  IMO it provides no realistic security benefit at all. Then again I don't award points for 

Re: Gmail and SSL

2012-12-30 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 12/30/12, Keith Medcalf kmedc...@dessus.com wrote: Your assertion that using bought certificates provides any security benefit whatsoever assumes facts not in evidence. I would say those claiming certificates from a public CA provide no assurance of authentication of server identity greater

Re: Gmail and SSL

2012-12-30 Thread John Levine
I would say those claiming certificates from a public CA provide no assurance of authentication of server identity greater than that of a self-signed one would have the burden of proof to show that it is no less likely for an attempted forger to be able to obtain a false bought certificate from a

Re: Gmail and SSL

2012-12-30 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 12/30/12, John Levine jo...@iecc.com wrote: Do you ever buy SSL certificates? For cheap certificates ($9 Geotrust, $8 Comodo, free Startcom, all accepted by Gmail), the entirety of the identity validation is to send an email message to an address associated with the domain, typically one