Scott Helms wrote:
Is it more expensive to home-run every home than to put splitters in the
neighborhood? Yes. Is it enough more expensive that the tradeoffs cannot be
overcome? I remain unconvinced.
This completely depends on the area and the goals of the network. In most
cases for muni
Is there any person from WhoisGuard . com on this group.
or any one can help me with an effective contact, all mails to their '
supp...@whoisguard.com' is not been acknowledged or answered.
Joshua
Dear Nanog Community,
Some CDN providers such as Akamai and Google (often called Global Google Cache)
are offering caches to ISPs. It is very convenient for small ISPs to alleviate
bandwidth towards the provider, but also the CDN provider benefits by putting
source of data closer to the user
On 02/04/13 14:03 +, Kyle Camilleri wrote:
Some CDN providers such as Akamai and Google (often called Global Google
Cache) are offering caches to ISPs. It is very convenient for small ISPs
to alleviate bandwidth towards the provider, but also the CDN provider
benefits by putting source of
On Feb 04, 2013, at 09:03 , Kyle Camilleri kyle.camill...@melitaplc.com wrote:
Some CDN providers such as Akamai and Google (often called Global Google
Cache) are offering caches to ISPs. It is very convenient for small ISPs to
alleviate bandwidth towards the provider, but also the CDN
On 02/04/13 08:33 -0600, Dan White wrote:
On 02/04/13 14:03 +, Kyle Camilleri wrote:
Some CDN providers such as Akamai and Google (often called Global Google
Cache) are offering caches to ISPs. It is very convenient for small ISPs
to alleviate bandwidth towards the provider, but also the
On Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 02:03:54PM +, Kyle Camilleri wrote:
Does anybody know of any other CDN providers that offer similar caches?
Most CDN providers also provide free access to super node caches at major
datacentres and peering points - depending on where you are located, which
datacentres
While I would agree with that, having peering helps but certainly doesn't
replace a localized CDN. Certainly better than nothing though. It also of
course depends on the size of your network. If you are paying to carry that
traffic (leased backhaul, etc.) from your peering point to your
- Original Message -
From: Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com
Here is the architecture document:
http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/research.google.com/en/us/pubs/archive/36936.pdf
Nice get; that will make very interesting reading today. Thanks.
-- jra
--
- Original Message -
From: Jason Baugher ja...@thebaughers.com
What we've seen is that the RBOC typically has a lot of crap copper in the
ground, in a lot of cases air-core (pre gel-fill) that hasn't held up well.
With the popularity of DSL, they ran out of good pairs to use. As they
Does anybody know of any other CDN providers that offer similar caches?
Yes.
The Last Mile Cache.
http://tlmc.fredan.se
It's an completely open solution for everybody, both the ISP (Internet
Service Provider) and CSP (Content Service Provider).
--
//fredan
Scott Helms wrote:
Here is the architecture document:
http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/research.google.com/en/us/pubs/archive/36936.pdf
The document, seemingly, does not address drop cable cost
difference.
It does not address L1 unbundling with WDM-PON,
In a message written on Sun, Feb 03, 2013 at 09:53:50PM -0600, Frank Bulk wrote:
Sure, Verizon has been able to get their cost per home passed down to $700
To be fair, Verizon has chosen to build their FIOS network in many
expensive to build locations, because that's where they believe
there to
I jotted down some notes from this morning's session in case people
are curious; they should be up visible at
http://kestrel3.netflight.com/2013.02.04-day1-morning-session.txt
apache's kinda flakey on the box; if it stops responding,
ping me and I'll bounce the server. ^_^;
Thanks!
Matt
- Original Message -
From: Leo Bicknell bickn...@ufp.org
Remember that Google cherry-picked which city it would serve, so it was able
to identify location that is likely less challenging and expensive to serve
than the average. A lot of Google's Kansas City build will not be buried
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Leo Bicknell bickn...@ufp.org wrote:
True, but I think it means we've bound the problem. It appears to
take $1400-$4500 to deploy fiber to the home in urban and suburban
areas, depending on all the fun local factors that effect costs.
*sigh*
I'd gladly pay
- Original Message -
From: Matthew Petach mpet...@netflight.com
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Leo Bicknell bickn...@ufp.org wrote:
True, but I think it means we've bound the problem. It appears to
take $1400-$4500 to deploy fiber to the home in urban and suburban
areas,
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Matthew Petach mpet...@netflight.com
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Leo Bicknell bickn...@ufp.org wrote:
True, but I think it means we've bound the problem. It appears to
take
Hi Alex,
We already have Google Cache although we don't peer with them directly.
As said earlier, what I'm after is to cache content to provide better
performance to our customers and alleviating some bandwidth towards provider.
Taking an example of Global Google Cache, they provide and manage
Scott;
I apologize. You could very well sincerely not realize you are wrong.
Obviously, erroneous thinking is not the same as making things up.
However, it is not good that bad information is out there and it should be
corrected.First you refer to them as dry copper or dry pair which
has
On 13-02-04 14:57, Fletcher Kittredge wrote:
of the reason you have had difficulty ordering them. The proper term is
Unbundled Network Elements(UNE) copper loops.
The Bell Canada tariff on ADSL acess (5410) uses the following
terminology: (GAS = wholesale DSL service operated by incumbent
Jean-Francois;
The only regulatory regime I am familiar with is the US and the original
poster specifically specified the US regime.
In the US, only CLECs have the right to order UNEs. Many ISPs became
CLECs for that reason. In the states in which we operate, becoming a CLEC
is a minimal
Frank,
I certainly agree that fiber plant is in general easier than copper plant
to maintain. My main concern is that in this case Jay is considering
allowing not only different vendors but different technologies on the same
fiber plant. That, in a small system without a ton of technical
Frank,
One thing to keep in mind is that I don't believe its possible to get a
contract with the bulk of the content owners in a wholesale scenario. This
would be a different kind of situation than I've seen attempted in the past
but in general the content guys get very picky about how video
On 13-02-04 15:46, Scott Helms wrote:
I certainly agree that fiber plant is in general easier than copper plant
to maintain. My main concern is that in this case Jay is considering
allowing not only different vendors but different technologies on the same
fiber plant.
If you are strictly
Owen,
I'm trimming this for my own sanity if I snip out something important
please let me know.
So long as you recognize that it's on a pair-by-pair basis end-to-end and
not expecting any mixing/sharing/etc. by the L1 infrastructure provider,
yes.
OK good, now we're speaking on the same
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:58 AM, Masataka Ohta
mo...@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp wrote:
Scott Helms wrote:
Is it more expensive to home-run every home than to put splitters in the
neighborhood? Yes. Is it enough more expensive that the tradeoffs
cannot be
overcome? I remain unconvinced.
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Masataka Ohta
mo...@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp wrote:
Scott Helms wrote:
Here is the architecture document:
http://static.**googleusercontent.com/**external_content/untrusted_**
On Mon, 4 Feb 2013, Scott Helms wrote:
One thing to keep in mind is that I don't believe its possible to get a
contract with the bulk of the content owners in a wholesale scenario.
You do really need to read the thread before you post.
I already pointed out that there are several companies
Rural deployments present an entirely different problem of geography. I
suspect the dark fiber model I advocate for is appropriate for 80% of
the population from large cities to small towns; but for the 20% in
truely rural areas it doesn't work and there is no cheap option as far
as I can
On 13-02-04 16:04, Scott Helms wrote:
Subscribers don't care if the hand off is at layer 1 or layer 2 so this is
moot as well.
This is where one has to be carefull. The wholesale scenario in Canada
leaves indepdendant ISPs having to explain to their customers that they
can't fix certain
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Fletcher Kittredge fkitt...@gwi.net wrote:
Scott;
I apologize. You could very well sincerely not realize you are wrong.
Obviously, erroneous thinking is not the same as making things up.
Thanks, I think ;)
I looked back and what I had written and I will
- Original Message -
From: Jean-Francois Mezei jfmezei_na...@vaxination.ca
Subscribers don't care if the hand off is at layer 1 or layer 2 so
this is moot as well.
This is where one has to be carefull. The wholesale scenario in Canada
leaves indepdendant ISPs having to explain to
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Jean-Francois Mezei
jfmezei_na...@vaxination.ca wrote:
On 13-02-04 15:46, Scott Helms wrote:
I certainly agree that fiber plant is in general easier than copper plant
to maintain. My main concern is that in this case Jay is considering
allowing not only
Brandon,
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Brandon Ross br...@pobox.com wrote:
On Mon, 4 Feb 2013, Scott Helms wrote:
One thing to keep in mind is that I don't believe its possible to get a
contract with the bulk of the content owners in a wholesale scenario.
You do really need to read
Exactly!
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Jean-Francois Mezei
jfmezei_na...@vaxination.ca wrote:
On 13-02-04 16:04, Scott Helms wrote:
Subscribers don't care if the hand off is at layer 1 or layer 2 so this
is
moot as well.
This is where one has to be carefull. The wholesale scenario
On Mon, 4 Feb 2013, Scott Helms wrote:
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Brandon Ross br...@pobox.com wrote:
There are tons and tons and tons of organizations that will sell the
operator of a network content to sell to that operator's subscribers
directly. Most well known is the cable coop, who
How is that different from what the aggregators that I've already pointed
out are doing? Why does anyone need to resell anything, anyway, what we
are talking about are service providers connected to this muni fiber
network being able to deliver triple play to their subs.
Its not, that was
- Original Message -
From: Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com
There are tons and tons and tons of organizations that will sell the
operator of a network content to sell to that operator's subscribers
directly. Most well known is the cable coop, who only exists to do just
that. The problem
Jean-Francois Mezei wrote:
This is where one has to be carefull. The wholesale scenario in Canada
leaves indepdendant ISPs having to explain to their customers that they
can't fix certain problems and that they must call the telco/cableco to
get it fixed. (in the case of a certain cable
- Original Message -
From: Masataka Ohta mo...@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp
Jean-Francois Mezei wrote:
So splitting responsabilities can be an annoyance if it becomes very
visible to the end users.
No different from competing ISPs using DSL or PON.
Sure it is: competing ISPs in a
Jay Ashworth wrote:
In a layer 1
scenario, it means ISP-1 has to physically go and deinstall their
CPE
and disconnect strand from their OLT, and then ISP-2 can do the
reverse
and reconnect evrything to provide services.
No. Just say optical MDF.
Doesn't preclude the need to swap
Scott Helms wrote:
Bot of you are wrong.
There is no reason fiber is more expensive than copper, which means SS
is cheap, as cheap as copper.
Copper isn't cheap, its just there already.
Unbundled copper costs about $10/M or so, which means SS fiber
can't be more expensive.
What is SS?
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Masataka Ohta
mo...@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp wrote:
Scott Helms wrote:
Bot of you are wrong.
There is no reason fiber is more expensive than copper, which means SS
is cheap, as cheap as copper.
Copper isn't cheap, its just there already.
Unbundled
Really, so you think that the thickness of the cable has an impact on how
much it should cost? So, tell you what I'll exchange some nice thick
10 gauge copper wire for
correction---
14 gauge platinum, since its much thinner that ought to be a good trade
for you, right? ;)
--
Scott
Scott Helms wrote:
The document, seemingly, does not address drop cable cost
difference.
It does not address L1 unbundling with WDM-PON, which
requires fiber patch panel identical to that required
for SS, either.
They're not doing WDM-PON or any flavor of PON at all. Its entirely an
On Feb 4, 2013, at 13:46 , Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com wrote:
Brandon,
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Brandon Ross br...@pobox.com wrote:
On Mon, 4 Feb 2013, Scott Helms wrote:
One thing to keep in mind is that I don't believe its possible to get a
contract with the bulk of the
Scott Helms wrote:
Unbundled copper costs about $10/M or so, which means SS fiber
can't be more expensive.
I'm not sure what you're trying to describe here, the cost of fiber from an
ongoing standpoint isn't strongly correlated to the architecture. Upgrades
to the fiber and adding service
Notes from the afternoon session, including
the community meeting, but minus most of
the BCOP presentation have been posted:
http://kestrel3.netflight.com/2013.02.04-NANOG57-day1-afternoon-session.txt
it looks like apache2 serves up about 100
connections, then wedges. :( No time to
On Feb 4, 2013, at 13:04 , Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com wrote:
Owen,
I'm trimming this for my own sanity if I snip out something important please
let me know.
So long as you recognize that it's on a pair-by-pair basis end-to-end and not
expecting any mixing/sharing/etc. by the L1
On Feb 4, 2013, at 13:17 , Jean-Francois Mezei jfmezei_na...@vaxination.ca
wrote:
On 13-02-04 16:04, Scott Helms wrote:
Subscribers don't care if the hand off is at layer 1 or layer 2 so this is
moot as well.
This is where one has to be carefull. The wholesale scenario in Canada
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Masataka Ohta
mo...@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp wrote:
Scott Helms wrote:
Unbundled copper costs about $10/M or so, which means SS fiber
can't be more expensive.
I'm not sure what you're trying to describe here, the cost of fiber from
an
ongoing
That's where we disagree. The benefit is that:
1. It doesn't lock the entire area into a single current technology.
Neither does a ring architecture.
Yes it does... It locks you into whatever is supported on the ring.
I don't know how I can explain this more plainly, I can (more
Matt,
Thanks very much (as always) for the great notes! Extremely helpful.
Regards,
-drc
On Feb 4, 2013, at 3:31 PM, Matthew Petach mpet...@netflight.com wrote:
Notes from the afternoon session, including
the community meeting, but minus most of
the BCOP presentation have been posted:
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:09 PM, David Conrad d...@virtualized.org wrote:
Matt,
Thanks very much (as always) for the great notes! Extremely helpful.
Regards,
-drc
Glad they're useful--wish I could have been there, the social
tomorrow night sounds like it will be absolutely stellar, in true
Hi experts,
I need some clarifications on these terms. Could somebody give
explanations or share some links?
When and how are these technologies used?
Thanks in advance.
--
Regards,
Abzal
On 13-02-04 19:48, Scott Helms wrote:
same trench IF you have buried cable and there is room. If you have aerial
plant (common in rural telco deployments, less common in muni networks) you
can also string your fiber on the same poles that you either own or have
attachment rights to but the
Could someone help verify the listed speeds for the different services
for Comcast:
Performance - 20mbps (Customer support is claiming it's now 15mbps)
Blast - 30 mbps (Customer support is claiming it's now 20 mbps)
I was getting 20+ download speed tests on Performance which is correct.
When I
The folks in the forums at dslreports.com are generally on top of this like
a hawk and are probably a better resource than here. For what its worth,
Comcast often provides temporary speed enhancements for the first so many
bytes in x seconds, (powerboost), which can often throw off short
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