Dreamhost/AS26347 unauthorized bgp announcement

2013-03-06 Thread Matsuzaki Yoshinobu
According to RIPE RIS, AS26347 announced a bunch of prefixes again. - http://www.ris.ripe.net/dashboard/26347 First suspicious announcement was started 2013-03-06 07:52:40 UTC, and last seen 2013-03-06 08:33:56 UTC. 195 prefixes total. It seems these unauthorized announcements have the same

Re: Dreamhost/AS26347 unauthorized bgp announcement

2013-03-06 Thread Job Snijders
Hi Mat, I see the same thing, we learn the prefix from the route-server in LAX: tel...@r1.lax1.usshow ip bgp routes detail 90.201.80.0/20 Number of BGP Routes matching display condition : 1 Status A:AGGREGATE B:BEST b:NOT-INSTALLED-BEST C:CONFED_EBGP D:DAMPED E:EBGP H:HISTORY I:IBGP

Re: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-06 Thread John Curran
On Mar 5, 2013, at 9:55 PM, Cameron Byrne cb.li...@gmail.com wrote: So all meaningful growth (mobile, cloud, internet of things...) must happen on IPv6 ... or relatively expensive IPv4 addresses from the black market and / or NATs Cameron - I agree with the intent, but just for clarity,

Re: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-06 Thread Owen DeLong
Doubt it all you want. Once it's gone, it stops generating support calls, or they become very short: C: Hi, my application isn't working through my NAT. TSR: Hi… Get IPv6, we don't support NAT any more. TSR: Is there anything else I can help you with today? C: Hi, my application isn't

RE: Dreamhost/AS26347 unauthorized bgp announcement

2013-03-06 Thread Drew Weaver
They're doing this to our routes in any2 in LA as well. ... -Original Message- From: Job Snijders [mailto:job.snijd...@atrato.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 4:04 AM To: Matsuzaki Yoshinobu Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Dreamhost/AS26347 unauthorized bgp announcement Hi Mat,

Re: Dreamhost/AS26347 unauthorized bgp announcement

2013-03-06 Thread Job Snijders
Hi all, I tried contacting Coresite/Any2 to have somebody login to the routeserver and doublecheck which peer is actually announcing this NLRI. Because there is a remote possibility that the route-server is being manipulated by a third party and dreamhost is a victim here. After the usual

Re: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-06 Thread Antonio Querubin
On Wed, 6 Mar 2013, Mukom Akong T. wrote: I believe if anyone who can phrase the IPv4 Exhaustion Problem + IPv6 Solution in very specific terms of the business model of the company will implicitly inspire confidence in execs that they know what they are talking about. I don't think the

Re: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-06 Thread Mukom Akong T.
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 8:20 PM, Antonio Querubin t...@lavanauts.org wrote: I don't think the business case is the issue. It is the timeline over which the sense of urgency becomes important enough for most execs to take seriously. That's still a large unknown. Why should they care about

Re: Cloudflare is down

2013-03-06 Thread danny
On 2013-03-04 08:09, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 2:31 AM, Saku Ytti s...@ytti.fi wrote: I know lot of vendors are fuzzing with 'codenomicon' and they appear not to have flowspec fuzzer. i suspect they fuzz where the money is ... number of users of bgp? number of users

Re: Dreamhost/AS26347 unauthorized bgp announcement

2013-03-06 Thread Kenneth McRae
Hi Guys, Sorry to see this come up again. We are no announcing the prefix in question. I am happy to work with you to investigate. dh_admin@gar-bdr-01 show route advertising-protocol bgp 206.223.143.122 inet.0: 447113 destinations, 1801741 routes (447105 active, 8 holddown, 0 hidden) Prefix

Re: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-06 Thread Cameron Byrne
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Matthew Kaufman matt...@matthew.at wrote: On 3/5/2013 8:20 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: On Mar 5, 2013, at 7:55 PM, Matthew Kaufman matt...@matthew.at wrote: On 3/5/2013 7:15 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: On Mar 5, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Mukom Akong T. mukom.ta...@gmail.com

Re: Dreamhost/AS26347 unauthorized bgp announcement

2013-03-06 Thread Andree Toonk
.-- My secret spy satellite informs me that at 2013-03-06 12:59 AM Matsuzaki Yoshinobu wrote: According to RIPE RIS, AS26347 announced a bunch of prefixes again. - http://www.ris.ripe.net/dashboard/26347 First suspicious announcement was started 2013-03-06 07:52:40 UTC, and last seen

Re: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-06 Thread Jeroen van Aart
On 03/05/2013 05:41 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: I think it's also important to cover the following topics somewhere in the process: 1. This will affect the entire organization, not just the IT department and will definitely impact all of apps, sysadmin, devops, operations, and

GMAIL contact

2013-03-06 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
Folks, We'd a user account compromised a couple of weeks ago, spam naturally. We're not getting any response from Gmail's set of contacts, so if anyone has a working Gmail contact, phone or mail, that they're willing to share off-list, I'd appreciate it. Eric Brunner-Williams

Re: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-06 Thread Paul M. Moriarty
On Mar 5, 2013, at 9:55 AM, Mukom Akong T. mukom.ta...@gmail.com wrote: […] b) To you who are managers, what else do you need your engineers to address in order for you to be convinced? How long will it take to complete the project?

Re: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-06 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Cameron Byrne cb.li...@gmail.com wrote: So, your position, which is substantiated my Microsoft's / Windows Phone's / Skype's lack of IPv6 support , is that nobody cares until we run out of IPv4. That is clearly reducto ad absurdum and does not resemble

Time Warner Cable YouTube throttling

2013-03-06 Thread Randy Carpenter
We have recently been having some serious speed issues with YouTube on our home connections, which are all Time Warner Cable. Some searching on forums and such revealed a work around: Block 206.111.0.0/16 at the router. This makes speeds go from ~1 Mb/s to the full connection speed (30 Mb/s in

Re: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-06 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 8:20 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: Matthew wrote: [...] 1. Decreased application complexity: Yeah. After IPv4 goes entirely away. Which is a long, long, LONG time from now. Until then… I don't think so. I think IPv4's demise as a supported internet

Re: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-06 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 11:49 PM, Mukom Akong T. mukom.ta...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:09 AM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: 1. What is the real dollar cost of doing the project (including both up-front and currently indefinite ongoing costs of dual stack. And don't

Re: Time Warner Cable YouTube throttling

2013-03-06 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Randy Carpenter rcar...@network1.net wrote: We have recently been having some serious speed issues with YouTube on our home connections, which are all Time Warner Cable. Some searching on forums and such revealed a work around: Block 206.111.0.0/16 at the

Re: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-06 Thread david raistrick
On Wed, 6 Mar 2013, George Herbert wrote: The mindshare shift is happening, but the change won't snowball until IT admins - in bulk - really get it. and keeping in mind that the bulk still don't get ipv4, either, (how many times a day do I explain to someone what a /xx is, and how you'd fill

Re: Time Warner Cable YouTube throttling

2013-03-06 Thread Randy Carpenter
- Original Message - On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Randy Carpenter rcar...@network1.net wrote: We have recently been having some serious speed issues with YouTube on our home connections, which are all Time Warner Cable. Some searching on forums and such revealed a work

Re: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-06 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:30 PM, david raistrick dr...@icantclick.org wrote: On Wed, 6 Mar 2013, George Herbert wrote: The mindshare shift is happening, but the change won't snowball until IT admins - in bulk - really get it. and keeping in mind that the bulk still don't get ipv4, either,

Re: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-06 Thread Matthew Kaufman
On 3/6/2013 9:20 AM, Cameron Byrne wrote: On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Matthew Kaufman matt...@matthew.at wrote: On 3/5/2013 8:20 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: On Mar 5, 2013, at 7:55 PM, Matthew Kaufman matt...@matthew.at wrote: On 3/5/2013 7:15 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: On Mar 5, 2013, at 6:46

Re: Time Warner Cable YouTube throttling

2013-03-06 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Randy Carpenter rcar...@network1.net wrote: - Original Message - On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Randy Carpenter rcar...@network1.net wrote: We have recently been having some serious speed issues with YouTube on our home connections, which are all

RE: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-06 Thread George, Wes
From: Matthew Kaufman [mailto:matt...@matthew.at] They suggest that IPv4 support is needed *in conjunction with* IPv6 support for 5-8 years. That's a long time if you're developing software... so, basically, no... no cost or effort saving if you were to do this work today. In fact, 2x the

Re: Time Warner Cable YouTube throttling

2013-03-06 Thread Rick Coloccia
I'd like to help, too, I'm from a TWC business class site with 650 Mbps bandwidth and still regularly poor performance with YouTube. -Rick Sent from my iPhone 4S On Mar 6, 2013, at 4:10 PM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Randy Carpenter

Re: Time Warner Cable YouTube throttling

2013-03-06 Thread Derek Ivey
I don't think it's just Time Warner. Definitely looks like XO. I have Verizon FiOS and it was pretty bad for me as well (not sure if it still is since I'm not home right now). There's also atleast two threads in the Verizon FiOS section on Broadband Reports:

Re: Time Warner Cable YouTube throttling

2013-03-06 Thread Grant Ridder
Can any one provide traceroutes to youtube to see if there is any correlation between last mile providers? -Grant On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Derek Ivey de...@derekivey.com wrote: I don't think it's just Time Warner. Definitely looks like XO. I have Verizon FiOS and it was pretty bad for

Re: Time Warner Cable YouTube throttling

2013-03-06 Thread Derek Ivey
I just got home and tested with quite a few 1080p videos. No issues over my Hurricane Electric IPv6 tunnel. I did notice frequent stops to buffer on my FiOS IPv4 connection. I have a 50 Mbps down connection and don't even come close to maxing it when watching Youtube videos. Here are a few

Re: Time Warner Cable YouTube throttling

2013-03-06 Thread Min
3 traces all indicated the last hub are 80~100ms faster than the second last hub. Interesting. Min On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 9:07 PM, Derek Ivey de...@derekivey.com wrote: I just got home and tested with quite a few 1080p videos. No issues over my Hurricane Electric IPv6 tunnel. I did notice

Re: Time Warner Cable YouTube throttling

2013-03-06 Thread Grant Ridder
The 1st one gets slow at XO and the 2nd and 3rd get slow at Sprint. Now the interesting one with XO is that it is routed in a /30 that is assigned to Google by XO. network:Class-Name:network network:ID:NET-XO-NET-d1302a54 network:Auth-Area:209.48.0.0/15 network:Network-Name:XO-NET-d1302a54

Re: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-06 Thread Owen DeLong
On Mar 6, 2013, at 10:50 AM, Jeroen van Aart jer...@mompl.net wrote: On 03/05/2013 05:41 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: I think it's also important to cover the following topics somewhere in the process: 1. This will affect the entire organization, not just the IT department and will

Re: Time Warner Cable YouTube throttling

2013-03-06 Thread Grant Ridder
One thing to keep in mind is that youtube may be anycast. Google's distributed file system is pretty amazing and it could be traffic to one specific datacenter that is possibly slow. -Grant On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 8:47 PM, Min qiu.mi...@gmail.com wrote: I use FIOS. In my case, I suspected two

Re: Time Warner Cable YouTube throttling

2013-03-06 Thread Min
I use FIOS. Here is my result: HostLoss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev 1. Wireless_Broadband_Router.home0.0% 165 285.1 563.9 68.2 2007. 376.1 2. L100.WASHDC-VFTTP-127.verizon-gn 0.0% 165 299.8 560.3 59.1 2021. 384.4 3.

Re: Time Warner Cable YouTube throttling

2013-03-06 Thread Derek Ivey
Why are your response times so high at your first hop? Are you maxing out your connection or connected to your router over wireless? Derek On 3/6/2013 9:58 PM, Min wrote: I use FIOS. Here is my result: HostLoss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev 1.

Re: Time Warner Cable YouTube throttling

2013-03-06 Thread Min
yes, i'm use wireless at home. On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Derek Ivey de...@derekivey.com wrote: Why are your response times so high at your first hop? Are you maxing out your connection or connected to your router over wireless? Derek On 3/6/2013 9:58 PM, Min wrote: I use FIOS.

Re: Time Warner Cable YouTube throttling

2013-03-06 Thread Derek Ivey
That looks like your problem right there. Have you tried connecting via ethernet instead and seeing how Youtube performs? On 3/6/2013 10:09 PM, Min wrote: yes, i'm use wireless at home. On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Derek Ivey de...@derekivey.com wrote: Why are your response times so high

Migrating IPv6 (was Re: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?)

2013-03-06 Thread Karl Auer
On Wed, 2013-03-06 at 18:48 -0800, Owen DeLong wrote: On Mar 6, 2013, at 10:50 AM, Jeroen van Aart jer...@mompl.net wrote: Adapting your current software to IPv6, that could be more tricky. Although if you use the right IPv6 aware libraries and functions it could be relatively easy in code.

Re: Time Warner Cable YouTube throttling

2013-03-06 Thread John Zettlemoyer
I've been seeing the same thing and was thinking it was me. Just to add to some of the results here... Verizon FIOS 132 ms 3 ms 5 ms l100.cmdnnj-vfttp-27.verizon-gni.net [98.110.113.1] 233 ms 6 ms 7 ms g0-3-3-7.cmdnnj-lcr-22.verizon-gni.net [130.81.183.186] 3

Re: Time Warner Cable YouTube throttling

2013-03-06 Thread Derek Ivey
On Mar 6, 2013, at 10:30 PM, Robert M. Enger en...@enger.us wrote: 1) You can use wireshark or other monitor to determine the IP address that your video stream is originating from. I just used the Developer Tools in Google Chrome to figure this out. 2) Upstream traceroutes to that

Re: Time Warner Cable YouTube throttling

2013-03-06 Thread Derek Ivey
I think your trace routes are just to their web servers. You need to figure out where the actual videos are being streamed from. I used the Developer Tools (Network tab) in Google Chrome to figure this out. The FQDNs will probably look like the ones in my trace routes. Derek On Mar 6, 2013,

Re: Time Warner Cable YouTube throttling

2013-03-06 Thread Robert M. Enger
1) You can use wireshark or other monitor to determine the IP address that your video stream is originating from. 2) Upstream traceroutes to that address are probably not of that much interest. The downstream path (carrying the video from the server to your house) can follow a different

RE: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-06 Thread Jerry Klonaper
Not sure how to avoid the legal entanglements my employer has placed in the IT teams path but I'll try to provide a real-world example without breaking confidentially agreements we all were required to sign for continued employment at a very large US-based bank. Our senior IT team had proposed a

RE: Time Warner Cable YouTube throttling

2013-03-06 Thread John Zettlemoyer
Yup... This might be more helpful. I went to r19.sn-p5qlsm7d.c.youtube.com for better comparison. Verizon FIOS 1 8 ms 4 ms 4 ms l100.cmdnnj-vfttp-27.verizon-gni.net [98.110.113.1] 2 9 ms 6 ms 7 ms g0-3-3-6.cmdnnj-lcr-22.verizon-gni.net [130.81.182.44] 310

Re: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-06 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Mar 7, 2013, at 10:10 AM, Jerry Klonaper wrote: It wasn't due to the lack of selling to executives, as this thread contends can be done, but due to the lack of any business case that could be found. Is the deployment in such a state that rollout can be resumed if/when it's deemed a

Re: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-06 Thread Jared Mauch
On Mar 6, 2013, at 11:31 PM, Dobbins, Roland rdobb...@arbor.net wrote: On Mar 7, 2013, at 10:10 AM, Jerry Klonaper wrote: It wasn't due to the lack of selling to executives, as this thread contends can be done, but due to the lack of any business case that could be found. Is the

Re: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-06 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Mar 7, 2013, at 11:36 AM, Jared Mauch wrote: I would pitch it as follows: We need to at least have IPv6 access to troubleshoot/understand customers that have dual-stack technology. That's a great point, but my guess is that the suits will say that since none of their customers are using

Re: Time Warner Cable YouTube throttling

2013-03-06 Thread Andrew Fried
I know only too well that Verizon's peering with Cogent in the DC/IAD area is beyond saturated. Looking at the traceroute you have below it would appear to be the same problem: 5 0.xe-10-0-0.BR2.IAD8.ALTER.NET (152.63.38.165) 15.007 ms 15.109 ms 14.975 ms 6 144.232.8.209 (144.232.8.209)

RE: Time Warner Cable YouTube throttling

2013-03-06 Thread Mark Jeremy
Jumping into the bandwagon here to help out. Here's the result from RIT to r19.sn-p5qlsm7d.c.youtube.com, going through at least 4 hops through XO territory. traceroute to r19.sn-p5qlsm7d.c.youtube.com (208.117.251.184), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets 1 rit-west1-gw-014-vlan453.rit.edu

Re: Time Warner Cable YouTube throttling

2013-03-06 Thread Grant Ridder
RIT is probably on a commercial circuit and from what i have seen on this chain so far, it is only affecting home/consumer users. At MSOE (msoe.edu) i dont show any latency but we are on TWTC. Anyone chime in if that is wrong. -Grant On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 10:46 PM, Mark Jeremy mej...@rit.edu

Re: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-06 Thread John Curran
On Mar 6, 2013, at 3:13 PM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: ... I'm sorry, but a lot of organizations' response to IPv6 has been Ok, desktops will need an overlay of it for some websites in AP next year, so we'll do that. And we need an IPv6 front end visibility for our