RE: Upstream / Handoff UPS?

2013-10-31 Thread Otis L. Surratt, Jr.
-Original Message- From: Kenny Kant [mailto:akennyk...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 12:35 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Upstream / Handoff UPS? We have tons of circuits with various providers. Often times the demarc / handoff switch from the provider is not running on

Re: latest Snowden docs show NSA intercepts all Google and Yahoo DC-to-DC traffic

2013-10-31 Thread Ray Soucy
Was the unplanned L3 DF maintenance that took place on Tuesday a frantic removal of taps? :-) On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Scott Weeks sur...@mauigateway.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Jacque O'Lantern jacque.olant...@yandex.com wrote:

Re: Upstream / Handoff UPS?

2013-10-31 Thread Justin Wilson
I have several clients who have cisco Metro Ethernet switches on Fiber circuits. The provider just provided the switch and expects the client to deal with the power. The rational is if the switch is not up it's not our fault. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net MTCNA ­ CCNA ­

Re: Reverse DNS RFCs and Recommendations

2013-10-31 Thread John Levine
Mail admins wanting matching forward/reverse DNS and hostnames that don't look dynamically generated is probably more of a human than an RFC thing: Right. Spam filtering depends on heuristics. Mail from hosts without matching forward/reverse DNS is overwhelmingly bot spam, so checking for it

RE: Reverse DNS RFCs and Recommendations

2013-10-31 Thread Tony Hain
John Levine wrote: Right. Spam filtering depends on heuristics. Mail from hosts without matching forward/reverse DNS is overwhelmingly bot spam, so checking for it is a very effective heuristic. Leading digit is clearly in widespread use beyond 3com 1and1. One of the most effective

Re: Reverse DNS RFCs and Recommendations

2013-10-31 Thread John Levine
In the last few hours it has picked off multiple messages from each of these: caro...@8447.com jef...@3550.com ronal...@0785.com kevi...@2691.com debora...@3585.com kimberl...@5864.com sara...@0858.com zav...@131.com qgmklyy...@163.com pjp...@163.com fahu...@163.com danie...@4704.com

Re: Reverse DNS RFCs and Recommendations

2013-10-31 Thread Dave Crocker
On 10/30/2013 9:55 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: As I think I've said before on this list, when we tried to get consensus on that claim in the DNSOP WG at the IETF, we couldn't. Indeed, we couldn't even get consensus on the much more bland statement, Some people rely on the reverse, and you might

Re: Reverse DNS RFCs and Recommendations

2013-10-31 Thread Scott Howard
163.com (as well as 126.com which you don't have listed) is a bit of a special case. It's a Chinese site that offers free email address as well as a very popular portal site - think of it as the Chinese equivalent to Yahoo or Hotmail. Whilst it's certainly true that a lot of spam originates from

Re: Reverse DNS RFCs and Recommendations

2013-10-31 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 5272e4a6.9080...@dcrocker.net, Dave Crocker writes: On 10/30/2013 9:55 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: As I think I've said before on this list, when we tried to get consensus on that claim in the DNSOP WG at the IETF, we couldn't. Indeed, we couldn't even get consensus on the much

Re: latest Snowden docs show NSA intercepts all Google and Yahoo DC-to-DC traffic

2013-10-31 Thread Matthew Petach
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 7:02 AM, Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu wrote: Was the unplanned L3 DF maintenance that took place on Tuesday a frantic removal of taps? :-) No need for intrusive techniques such as direct taps: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?reload=truearnumber=1494884

Re: latest Snowden docs show NSA intercepts all Google and Yahoo DC-to-DC traffic

2013-10-31 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Matthew Petach mpet...@netflight.comwrote: On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 7:02 AM, Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu wrote: Was the unplanned L3 DF maintenance that took place on Tuesday a frantic removal of taps? :-) No need for intrusive techniques such as direct taps:

Re: latest Snowden docs show NSA intercepts all Google and Yahoo DC-to-DC traffic

2013-10-31 Thread Matthew Petach
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Jimmy Hess mysi...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Matthew Petach mpet...@netflight.comwrote: On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 7:02 AM, Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu wrote: Was the unplanned L3 DF maintenance that took place on Tuesday a frantic removal

Re: latest Snowden docs show NSA intercepts all Google and Yahoo DC-to-DC traffic

2013-10-31 Thread explanoit
As a top-posting IT generalist pleb, can someone explain why Google/Yahoo did not already encrypt their data between DCs? Why is my data encrypted over the internet from my computer to theirs, but they don't encrypt the data when it goes outside their building and all the fancy access controls

Re: latest Snowden docs show NSA intercepts all Google and Yahoo DC-to-DC traffic

2013-10-31 Thread Michael Still
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 1:48 PM, explanoit explanoit.na...@explanoit.com wrote: As a top-posting IT generalist pleb, can someone explain why Google/Yahoo did not already encrypt their data between DCs? Why is my data encrypted over the internet from my computer to theirs, but they don't encrypt