Re: Pluggable Coherent DWDM 10Gig

2014-04-26 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Sat, 26 Apr 2014, Julien Goodwin wrote: But you'd never send it all the waves anyway, that's far too much loss across the band. Please elaborate. ROADMs already solve this problem, and are available at the module level (how practically available and usable I've no idea, never needed to

Re: Pluggable Coherent DWDM 10Gig

2014-04-26 Thread Julien Goodwin
On 26/04/14 16:02, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: On Sat, 26 Apr 2014, Julien Goodwin wrote: But you'd never send it all the waves anyway, that's far too much loss across the band. Please elaborate. At 3dB loss per split you'd very quickly need additional amplification, at which point the

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2014-04-26 Thread Larry J. Blunk
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Re: Pluggable Coherent DWDM 10Gig

2014-04-26 Thread Tim Durack
Will need amplification anyway for almost any realistic topology. For those who don't understand what or why, please read the Terastream PDF and watch the video several times, then tell me it's not a great idea :-) On Saturday, April 26, 2014, Julien Goodwin na...@studio442.com.au wrote: On

Re: Pluggable Coherent DWDM 10Gig

2014-04-26 Thread Phil Bedard
I'm a big fan of the Terastream setup and have done a lot of research into it, it makes sense if the density and bandwidth needs are fairly low and the distances not so great. Terastream also makes use of a LOT of raw fiber which most do not really have access to. Right now only one router

Re: The Cidr Report

2014-04-26 Thread Hank Nussbacher
At 22:00 25/04/2014 +, cidr-rep...@potaroo.net wrote: This report has been generated at Fri Apr 25 21:13:54 2014 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org/2.0 for a

Re: The Cidr Report

2014-04-26 Thread Seth Mos
Op 26 apr. 2014, om 20:05 heeft Hank Nussbacher h...@efes.iucc.ac.il het volgende geschreven: At 22:00 25/04/2014 +, cidr-rep...@potaroo.net wrote: This report has been generated at Fri Apr 25 21:13:54 2014 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router and generates a

RE: The Cidr Report

2014-04-26 Thread Deepak Jain
Historic event - 500K prefixes on the Internet. And now we wait for everything to fall over at 512k ;) Based on a quick plot graph on the CIDR report, it looks like we are adding 6,000 prefixes a month, or thereabouts. So platforms that break at 512K die in two months or less? Sup720s

Re: The FCC is planning new net neutrality rules. And they could enshrine pay-for-play. - The Washington Post

2014-04-26 Thread Owen DeLong
On Apr 24, 2014, at 8:38 PM, Larry Sheldon larryshel...@cox.net wrote: On 4/24/2014 10:23 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: The invisible hand of the market cannot fix problems when there is a monopoly. Put in economic terms, a player with Market Power is extracting Rents. (Capitalization

Re: The FCC is planning new net neutrality rules. And they could enshrine pay-for-play. - The Washington Post

2014-04-26 Thread Owen DeLong
On Apr 24, 2014, at 9:57 PM, Larry Sheldon larryshel...@cox.net wrote: I just posted a completely empty message for which I apologize. Larry is confused. He can claim he is not, but posting to NANOG does not change the facts. Then again, just because I posted to NANOG doesn't prove I'm

Re: US patent 5473599

2014-04-26 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 23/04/2014 17:47, Henning Brauer wrote: fortunately this obviously isn't a big problem in practice, based on the fact that we don't get any complaints/reports in that direction. still would be way micer if that situation had been created in the first place, but as said - we weren't given

Re: The FCC is planning new net neutrality rules. And they could enshrine pay-for-play. - The Washington Post

2014-04-26 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 4/26/2014 3:01 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: On Apr 24, 2014, at 8:38 PM, Larry Sheldon larryshel...@cox.net wrote: Monopolies can not persist without regulation. This is absolutely false. Regulating monopolies CAN protect monopolies, but that’s not always the outcome. Monopolies absolutely

Re: The FCC is planning new net neutrality rules. And they could enshrine pay-for-play. - The Washington Post

2014-04-26 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 4/26/2014 3:11 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: In my neighborhood, Comcast has a monopoly on coax cable tv and HFC internet services. There are no regulations that support that monopoly. Another company could, theoretically, apply, receive permits, Wait! What? Like if I want to build a pipeline

Re: The FCC is planning new net neutrality rules. And they could enshrine pay-for-play. - The Washington Post

2014-04-26 Thread Larry Sheldon
h/t Suresh Ramasubramanian FCC throws in the towel on net neutrality http://www.zdnet.com/fcc-throws-in-the-towel-on-net-neutrality-728770/ Forward! On to the next windmill, Sancho! -- Requiescas in pace o email Two identifying characteristics

Re: NANOG 61 Bellevue - DNS Track

2014-04-26 Thread Randy Bush
I am trying to organize the DNS Track and as usual we would like to make this very attractive. mehmet, i know you're an engineer. screw attractive. how about technically informative and meaty? randy

Re: NANOG 61 Bellevue - DNS Track

2014-04-26 Thread James R Cutler
Randy, To an engineer, that _IS_ attractive. Jim On Apr 26, 2014, at 9:47 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: I am trying to organize the DNS Track and as usual we would like to make this very attractive. mehmet, i know you're an engineer. screw attractive. how about

Re: NANOG 61 Bellevue - DNS Track

2014-04-26 Thread Mehmet Akcin
DNS is Sexy, y'all know it. Mehmet On Apr 26, 2014, at 18:56, James R Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com wrote: Randy, To an engineer, that _IS_ attractive. Jim On Apr 26, 2014, at 9:47 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: I am trying to organize the DNS Track and as usual we

Re: NANOG 61 Bellevue - DNS Track

2014-04-26 Thread Randy Bush
jim, To an engineer, that _IS_ attractive. i am an occasional engineer. i find the recent gl1tz!ficat!on of nanog, the mass of committees and important positions, ... disgusting. randy

Re: NANOG 61 Bellevue - DNS Track

2014-04-26 Thread Randy Bush
jim, To an engineer, that _IS_ attractive. i am an occasional engineer. i find the recent gl1tz!ficat!on of nanog, the mass of committees and important positions, ... embarrassing. randy

Re: NANOG 61 Bellevue - DNS Track

2014-04-26 Thread Randy Bush
DNS is Sexy, y'all know it. no wonder dns geeks seem to have a low birth rate

Re: NANOG 61 Bellevue - DNS Track

2014-04-26 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 4/26/2014 8:56 PM, James R Cutler wrote: To an engineer, that _IS_ attractive. Amen. Also to engineer wannabees. -- Requiescas in pace o email Two identifying characteristics of System Administrators: Ex turpi causa non oritur actio

Re: NANOG 61 Bellevue - DNS Track

2014-04-26 Thread Matt Ryanczak
On 4/26/14, 7:00 PM, Randy Bush wrote: i am an occasional engineer. i find the recent gl1tz!ficat!on of nanog, the mass of committees and important positions, ... disgusting. Some people would call that community participation. Perhaps a side effect of the split from merit and nanog's

RE: The FCC is planning new net neutrality rules. And they could enshrine pay-for-play. - The Washington Post

2014-04-26 Thread Hugo Slabbert
Okay, I'm not as seasoned as a big chunk of this list, but please correct me if I'm wrong in finding this article a crock of crap. With Comcast/Netflix being in the mix and by association Cogent in the background of that there's obviously room for some heated opinions, but here goes anyway...