Re: Shared Transition Space VS. BGP Next Hop [was: Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)]

2014-05-03 Thread Randy Bush
> Ah, so you're in the camp that a /10 given to one organization for > their private use would have been better than reserving that /10 for > _everyone_ to use. We'll have to agree to disagree there. you forced an rfc allocation. that makes public space, and is and will be used as such. you want

Re: Paging HP DNS admin

2014-05-03 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Christopher Morrow said: >> if I ask ns1/2/3/4/5/6.hp.com directly for for onramp01.hpeprint.com.: >> >> ; <<>> DiG 9.8.1-P1 <<>> onramp01.hpeprint.com. @ns6.hp.com >> ;; global options: +cmd >> ;; Got answer: >> ;;

Re: Paging HP DNS admin

2014-05-03 Thread Scott Howard
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 8:13 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > You left out the authority section that refers you to the correct DNS > servers - ns[1-6].hp.com are not it. They delegate to another set of HP > servers, which all time out (as stated by the OP) when asked for . > Actually the OP said th

Re: Paging HP DNS admin

2014-05-03 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Christopher Morrow said: > if I ask ns1/2/3/4/5/6.hp.com directly for for onramp01.hpeprint.com.: > > ; <<>> DiG 9.8.1-P1 <<>> onramp01.hpeprint.com. @ns6.hp.com > ;; global options: +cmd > ;; Got answer: > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 30318 > ;;

Re: Paging HP DNS admin

2014-05-03 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: > Either way - it breaks Sendmail, some versions of Exchange, and possibly > other MTA's. The proper answer to a non-existent record is NOERROR, > with ANSWER 0. if I ask ns1/2/3/4/5/6.hp.com directly for for onramp01.hpeprint.com

Re: Paging HP DNS admin

2014-05-03 Thread Mark Radabaugh
Either way - it breaks Sendmail, some versions of Exchange, and possibly other MTA's. The proper answer to a non-existent record is NOERROR, with ANSWER 0. Hanging or refusing to answer doesn't result in another attempt to look for an A record since the name server failed to respond to

Re: CLEC and FTTP H.248/Megaco

2014-05-03 Thread Jean-Francois Mezei
Based on asnwers so far: To put things in perspective The current regulations offer unbundled COPPER loops, as well as an aggregated wholesale last mile access for DSL/VDSL (wholesale also mandated for cable for data but not voice) This may change with the CRTC 2013-551 consultation which revie

Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)

2014-05-03 Thread Michael Hallgren
Le 03/05/2014 20:23, Mikael Abrahamsson a écrit : > On Sat, 3 May 2014, Vitkovský Adam wrote: > >> Sure it's a different transport protocol altogether, anyways It's >> interesting to see how everybody tends to separate the IPv4 and IPv6 >> AFs onto a different TCP sessions and still run the plethor

Re: Paging HP DNS admin

2014-05-03 Thread Scott Howard
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 6:27 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: > Dear HP: > > If your not going to support IPv6 can you at least not return SRVFAIL when > asked for an record: > They aren't. Your resolver is - or at least, that's what it looks like for me. Sending an query to their nameserver

Re: CLEC and FTTP H.248/Megaco

2014-05-03 Thread Carlos Alcantar
+1 here we do the same exact thing with our ftth and ont¹s separate vlan with h.248 gw¹s sitting on it and you just point the profile of the voice port to the gw. There is a reason why they are doing things this way, as current regulation does not force them to give you access to there fiber netwo

Re: Shared Transition Space VS. BGP Next Hop [was: Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)]

2014-05-03 Thread joel jaeggli
On 5/3/14, 10:36 AM, Chris Grundemann wrote: > On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 3:58 AM, Randy Bush wrote: >> a good number of us use that kinky /10 behind home nats and encourage >> everyone to do so. it was a sick deal and should be treated as such, >> just more 1918. > > A good number of folks use othe

RE: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)

2014-05-03 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Sat, 3 May 2014, Vitkovský Adam wrote: Sure it's a different transport protocol altogether, anyways It's interesting to see how everybody tends to separate the IPv4 and IPv6 AFs onto a different TCP sessions and still run the plethora of other AFs on the common v4 TCP session, maybe apart f

Re: Shared Transition Space VS. BGP Next Hop [was: Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)]

2014-05-03 Thread Chris Grundemann
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 3:58 AM, Randy Bush wrote: > a good number of us use that kinky /10 behind home nats and encourage > everyone to do so. it was a sick deal and should be treated as such, > just more 1918. A good number of folks use other folks IP space in all kinds of strange and kinky way

RE: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)

2014-05-03 Thread Vitkovský Adam
Sure it's a different transport protocol altogether, anyways It's interesting to see how everybody tends to separate the IPv4 and IPv6 AFs onto a different TCP sessions and still run the plethora of other AFs on the common v4 TCP session, maybe apart from couple of the big folks, who can afford

Re: Shared Transition Space VS. BGP Next Hop [was: Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)]

2014-05-03 Thread Chris Grundemann
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 3:26 AM, Måns Nilsson wrote: > The fact that you need v4 space to build a MPLS backbone is a very good > reason to not waste a /10 on CGN crap. Ah, so you're in the camp that a /10 given to one organization for their private use would have been better than reserving that /1

RE: CLEC and FTTP H.248/Megaco

2014-05-03 Thread Frank Bulk
We use H.248 in our CLEC area. The voice service for that ONT runs on a specified VLAN for that ONT, so if we had to share our infrastructure with other CLECs we could do that. Frank -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Jean-Francois Mezei Sent: Fr

Paging HP DNS admin

2014-05-03 Thread Mark Radabaugh
Dear HP: If your not going to support IPv6 can you at least not return SRVFAIL when asked for an record: root@spoons:/etc/mail # dig onramp01.hpeprint.com ; <<>> DiG 9.8.3-P4 <<>> onramp01.hpeprint.com ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status

Re: CLEC and FTTP H.248/Megaco

2014-05-03 Thread Clayton Zekelman
In my experience, where Bell Canada has installed FTTP facilities, CLECs are not given access to these deployments. The orders come back as "UNAVAILABLE FACILITIES" At 11:49 PM 02/05/2014, Jean-Francois Mezei wrote: I need a sanity check. An incumbent in Canada has revealed that its voice

Re: Shared Transition Space VS. BGP Next Hop [was: Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)]

2014-05-03 Thread Randy Bush
a good number of us use that kinky /10 behind home nats and encourage everyone to do so. it was a sick deal and should be treated as such, just more 1918. randy

Re: Shared Transition Space VS. BGP Next Hop [was: Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)]

2014-05-03 Thread Måns Nilsson
Subject: Shared Transition Space VS. BGP Next Hop [was: Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)] Date: Fri, May 02, 2014 at 03:58:42PM -0600 Quoting Chris Grundemann (cgrundem...@gmail.com): > Would you expound a bit on what you mean here? I don't quite follow but I > am very interested to