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From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Matthew
Petach
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 3:35 AM
So, if Netflix had to pay additional money to get direct links to Verizon,
you'd
be OK paying an additional 50cents/month to cover those additional
Would it be right if Netflix comes to You and says we see you've got a lot of
our customers hooked up to your backbone so to serve better service we'd like
to connect to your network directly.
Yes. As an eyeball network operator I pay my transit provider to get
the packets my customers want
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Miles Fidelman
mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote:
Now I write a check every month to both Verizon and Netflix - and clearly it
would be nice if some of that went to provisioning better service between
the two. But I can as easily point to Netflix, as to Verizon,
Last I checked, it is eyeball network responsibility to adequately
provision their transit capacity to support the demand of their
customers, or find alternate solutions for the customers to be able to
receive the service they are paying for (internet bandwidth to/from
the sites they choose to
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Hi,
In brief, I have a VRF configured on a PE router which is a 7200-G2
router running 12.2(31)SB18, I import two route targets, one of them
belongs to another VRF.
Now, when I receive two default routes from both VRFs, and my question
is, why did the PE router preferred the default route
On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 03:14:40 -0400 Kraig wrote:
KB Anyone in the SE seeing and/or hearing of any massive Comcast outages
KB regionally?
KB
KB (Fiber, Voice DOCSIS modems from Atlanta, GA to Tallahassee, FL and in
KB some select areas Jacksonville, FL...)
My comcast business service in Atlanta
It strikes me that there are lots of legitimate, but conflicting, views
on this topic - all of which come down to there being no clearly
established principles for peering, traffic exchange, or settlements
(either de facto or imposed by law or regulation and different
player are coming
Interesting point.
The truth is, the ISP is responsible for the quality of experience for their
end customers regardless of what content the customers consume or what time
they consume it. They pay a monthly subscription / access fee and that is
where it stops. ISPs can chose to blame Netflix
- Original Message -
From: Matthew Petach mpet...@netflight.com
He rants about Netflix generating huge amounts of traffic
and refusing to allow ISPs to cache it; and then goes on to
grumble that Netflix is trying to force them to host caching
boxes. Does he love caching, or hate
Ahad Aboss wrote:
Interesting point.
The truth is, the ISP is responsible for the quality of experience for their
end customers regardless of what content the customers consume or what time
they consume it. They pay a monthly subscription / access fee and that is
where it stops. ISPs can chose
It’s been a very long time, but I remember that D3 (or possibly D2 depending
on particular firmware) and S0=1 were important. I think C, R, S6 and
possibly S7 were also important, but don’t remember the required values.
A quick peek at the documentation for those switches should provide obvious
On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 11:38:03 -0400
Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote:
Ahad Aboss wrote:
Interesting point.
The truth is, the ISP is responsible for the quality of experience
for their
end customers regardless of what content the customers consume or
what time
they consume it.
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Miles Fidelman
mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote:
Methinks all of the arguments and finger-pointing need to be recognized as
being mostly posturing for position.
.. at the expense of the customer.
-Jim P.
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Jima na...@jima.us wrote:
[...]
I guess I'm just glad that my home ISP can justify anteing up for a pipe
to SIX, resources for hosting OpenConnect nodes, and, for that matter, an
ASN. Indeed, not everyone can.
Jima
I'm sorry.
If your ISP doesn't
*puts on trolling hat*
Maybe the solution can be to have the Netflix client support the
torrent protocol, so the upload from netflix is minimal. Maybe
pre-distribute files encripted, then distribute the de-crypt key once
the medias are distributed enough in different nodes. So netflix would
be
in an attempt to force them to host their servers for free
These are the OpenConnect caching boxes, I assume? If that's the case, it's
incorrect to say that Netflix refuses to allow [...] caching, simply that
they prefer to provide caching their way. As it stands, I don't see the
problem
On Jul 10, 2014, at 8:46 PM, Jima na...@jima.us wrote:
On 2014-07-10 19:40, Miles Fidelman wrote:
From another list, I think this puts it nicely (for those of you who
don't know Brett, he's been running a small ISP for years
http://www.lariat.net/)
While trying to substantiate Mr. Glass'
On Jul 11, 2014, at 9:44 AM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
Would it really be plausible for a small ISP to host caching clusters for
every streaming content supplier out there?
No, but if you have typical internet user streaming uptake, Netflix and Akamai
and then...
Short list,
On Jul 11, 2014, at 1:32 AM, Vitkovský Adam adam.vitkov...@swan.sk wrote:
-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Matthew
Petach
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 3:35 AM
So, if Netflix had to pay additional money to get direct links to Verizon,
- Original Message -
From: Owen DeLong o...@delong.com
Would it really be plausible for a small ISP to host caching clusters
for every streaming content supplier out there?
No, it wouldn't.
But it also wouldn't be necessary. Netflix is the 900 pound gorilla in
that market, and --
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From: Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net
Either way, if one is a customer of both, one will end up paying for
the infrastructure - it's more about gorillas fighting, which bill it
shows up on, who ends up pocketing more of the profits, and how many
Well... if you make a phone call to a rural area, or a 3rd world country,
with a horrible system, is it your telco's responsibility to go out there and
fix it?
One might answer, of course not. It’s a legitimate position, and by this
argument, Netflix should be paying for bigger pipes.
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Miles Fidelman
mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote:
Well... if you make a phone call to a rural area, or a 3rd world country,
with a horrible system, is it your telco's responsibility to go out there
and fix it?
Hi Miles,
The telephone companies offer a
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Miles Fidelman
mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote:
Then again, I've often argued that the universal service fund used to
subsidize rural carriers - which the large telcos always scream about - is
legitimate, because when we pick up the phone and dial, we're
Matt,
That's simply not true, if it were then several million US subscribers
wouldn't have access to the Internet at all. There are _lots_ of small
providers that serve rural America (and Canada) that have gotten their IPs
from their transit provider rather than ARIN, are single homed, and have
Owen,
That's because you're not thinking about the geography involved. Where
possible the smaller operators often do form groups and partnerships, but
creating networks that serve more than a 3-4 operators often means covering
more distance than if the operators simply go directly to the tier 1
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Verizon Policy Blog wrote:
There was, however, congestion at the interconnection link to the edge
of our network (the border router) used by the transit providers
chosen by Netflix to deliver video traffic to Verizon’s network.
In what world does Netflix choose a transit provider into
On 7/11/14 11:20 AM, Blake Hudson wrote:
Verizon Policy Blog wrote:
There was, however, congestion at the interconnection link to the
edge of our network (the border router) used by the transit providers
chosen by Netflix to deliver video traffic to Verizon’s network.
In what world does
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 01:20:21PM -0500, Blake Hudson wrote:
Verizon Policy Blog wrote:
There was, however, congestion at the interconnection link to the edge of
our network (the border router) used by the transit providers chosen by
Netflix to deliver video traffic to Verizon’s network.
Sure. We call those companies resellers. Or, if they actually do bring
some additional value to the table, they're VARs. Not ISPs.
Matt
On Jul 11, 2014 10:37 AM, Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com wrote:
Matt,
That's simply not true, if it were then several million US subscribers
wouldn't have
joel jaeggli wrote the following on 7/11/2014 1:39 PM:
On 7/11/14 11:20 AM, Blake Hudson wrote:
Verizon Policy Blog wrote:
There was, however, congestion at the interconnection link to the
edge of our network (the border router) used by the transit providers
chosen by Netflix to deliver
Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net writes:
Either way, if one is a customer of both, one will end up paying for
the infrastructure - it's more about gorillas fighting, which bill it
shows up on, who ends up pocketing more of the profits, and how many
negative side-effects result.
In
Matt,
They're providing DSL, cable modem, BWA, or FTTx access to residential and
business customers. They belong to various service provider associations
and they're generally the only ISPs in the areas they serve. They're ISPs
by every definition including the FCC's. Having an ASN does _not_
I'm sorry. This is a networking mailing list, not a
feel-good-about-yourself mailing list. From the perspective of the
internet routing table, if you don't have your own AS number, you are
completely indistinguishable from your upstream. Period. As far as BGP
is concerned, you don't exist.
Matt,
No one said anything of the sort and now you're trying to redirect. You
said, There *are* some fundamental basics that are necessary to function
as an ISP; having an AS number and being able to speak BGP are pretty much
at the top of the list. This is false, that's all I said nothing less
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Blake Hudson bl...@ispn.net wrote:
joel jaeggli wrote the following on 7/11/2014 1:39 PM:
CDN's choose which exit the use all the time, it's kinda the raison de
etré.
they do this with DNS changes for client requests... pushing a
customer to an endpoint
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com wrote:
Matt,
No one said anything of the sort and now you're trying to redirect. You
said, There *are* some fundamental basics that are necessary to function
as an ISP; having an AS number and being able to speak BGP are pretty
Actually, there are some examples of this, and I'm surprised Mr. Temkin
didn't point them out. I've been told by rural telcos (RLECs) that
there's a consolidated mini-exchange in Idaho that was originally built
with some support from the state in order exchange phone calls within
Idaho that
William Herrin wrote:
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Miles Fidelman
mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote:
Then again, I've often argued that the universal service fund used to
subsidize rural carriers - which the large telcos always scream about - is
legitimate, because when we pick up the phone
Hi Richard,
You may be confusing Idaho for Portland, but either way we are constantly
adding new POPs and Portland is a great example of us bearing the cost that
ISPs were bearing before to haul traffic from Seattle or San Jose. I would
consider that a great success.
Regarding Comcast in SF,
This report has been generated at Fri Jul 11 21:10:32 2014 AEST.
The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router
and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table.
Check http://www.cidr-report.org/2.0 for a current version of this report.
Recent Table History
BGP Update Report
Interval: 03-Jul-14 -to- 10-Jul-14 (7 days)
Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS131072
TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS
Rank ASNUpds % Upds/PfxAS-Name
1 - AS3292 148349 5.8% 321.8 -- TDC TDC A/S,DK
2 - AS12858 87308 3.4%5135.8
Here we go down the rabbit hole again. This is not difficult. An Internet
Service Provider is an entity that provides Internet connectivity to its
customers for some consideration.
If you are looking for a legal definition of an ISP you are not going to find
(a satisfactory) one. The FCC
Does the CIDR report have a 510K prefix limit and crashed or something?
:)
--
TTFN,
patrick
On Jul 11, 2014, at 18:00 , cidr-rep...@potaroo.net wrote:
This report has been generated at Fri Jul 11 21:10:32 2014 AEST.
The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router
and generates a
On 7/11/14 2:01 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Blake Hudson bl...@ispn.net wrote:
joel jaeggli wrote the following on 7/11/2014 1:39 PM:
CDN's choose which exit the use all the time, it's kinda the raison de
etré.
they do this with DNS changes for client
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 5:05 PM, Naslund, Steve snasl...@medline.com wrote:
Here we go down the rabbit hole again. This is not difficult. An Internet
Service Provider is an entity that provides Internet connectivity to its
customers for some consideration.
If you are looking for a legal
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Jimmy Hess mysi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 5:05 PM, Naslund, Steve snasl...@medline.com
wrote:
Here we go down the rabbit hole again. This is not difficult. An
Internet Service Provider is an entity that provides Internet connectivity
to
need to put a usr everything modem, yes a modem, using inbound ppp on a
freebsd 10 box and a pots line.
anyone have the hacks for
o modem switch settings and
o /etc/ppp/ppp.conf
i have received a few really good looking detailed answers which i will
test when next in the colo and
Matthew Petach wrote:
*sigh*
Fine, fine, y'all are super-attached to your
business-y definitions of ISP.
I'll clarify my earlier point to eliminate this
confusion.
To the core of the internet, if you do not have
an AS number, you do not exist. If your business
does not have an AS number *as
And, for the record, it's pretty widely acknowledge that The World
(Barry Shein) was the world's first commercial ISP - offering shell
access in 1989, and at some point started offering PPP dial-up
services. As I recall, they were a UUnet POP.
yep. and uunet and psi were hallucinations.
And, for the record, it's pretty widely acknowledge that The World
(Barry Shein) was the world's first commercial ISP - offering shell
access in 1989, and at some point started offering PPP dial-up
services. As I recall, they were a UUnet POP.
yep. and uunet and psi were hallucinations.
I think we should paint the garden shed blue...
On Jul 11, 2014, at 7:37 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote:
of course i received one don't do that, you should not be painting a
bikeshed at all, but building a doghouse. i figure that only one is
not a bad noise level.
I was speaking specifically of the cases where they are already grouped at a
central location such as the 9 in Salt Lake City or the 19 in Denver mentioned
in the example to which I responded.
I’m pretty sure that in the case where they are already grouped into a less
populous exchange point,
On Jul 11, 2014, at 8:18 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote:
And, for the record, it's pretty widely acknowledge that The World
(Barry Shein) was the world's first commercial ISP - offering shell
access in 1989, and at some point started offering PPP dial-up
services. As I recall, they
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