Re: Book / Literature Recommendations

2014-09-16 Thread Miles Fidelman
Roland Dobbins wrote: On Sep 17, 2014, at 11:07 AM, Keith Medcalf wrote: Most phones these days, however, ship with teeny weenie batteries that can barely keep the device working for a few hours at a time, let alone be actually useful for anything (unless you carry four or five fully charges

Re: Book / Literature Recommendations

2014-09-16 Thread Roland Dobbins
On Sep 17, 2014, at 11:07 AM, Keith Medcalf wrote: > Most phones these days, however, ship with teeny weenie batteries that can > barely keep the device working for a few hours at a time, let alone be > actually useful for anything (unless you carry four or five fully charges > spares with yo

Re: Book / Literature Recommendations

2014-09-16 Thread Daniel Rohan
+1 for Perlman's Interconnections. I love her humor peppered throughout. On Tuesday, September 16, 2014, John Kristoff wrote: > On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 09:48:45 +0100 > James Bensley > wrote: > > > What is the single best book you have read on networking? > > I couldn't narrow it down to one, but si

RE: Book / Literature Recommendations

2014-09-16 Thread Keith Medcalf
On Tuesday, 16 September, 2014, 19:28, Roland Dobbins said: >On Sep 17, 2014, at 8:06 AM, Larry Sheldon wrote: >> I think of this "paperless" idiocy every time I write "20 reams of >>rinter paper" on the grocery list. >While it should be mandatory that things like operational >plans/procedures

Re: Book / Literature Recommendations

2014-09-16 Thread Roland Dobbins
On Sep 17, 2014, at 8:37 AM, Justin Wilson wrote: > But, I can find things in a real book easier. Full-text search in the Kindle app, .pdf viewer app, et. al. is pretty useful for finding things, IMHO. ;> -- Roland Dobbins

Re: Book / Literature Recommendations

2014-09-16 Thread Justin Wilson
Being able to find an Internet connection these days is pretty easy. Ive left the data center and driven to mcdonalds to download stuff in a pinch. But, I can find things in a real book easier. I think it¹s the way my mind works. Its getting easier though on the Kindle. Just learned behavior is

Re: Book / Literature Recommendations

2014-09-16 Thread Roland Dobbins
On Sep 17, 2014, at 8:06 AM, Larry Sheldon wrote: > I think of this "paperless" idiocy every time I write "20 reams of printer > paper" on the grocery list. While it should be mandatory that things like operational plans/procedures and contact lists should be printed out Just In Case, the abi

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 9/16/2014 18:57, Masataka Ohta wrote: > What will happen to ".uk" if England is left alone? > > Masataka Ohta There are still at least 3 countries left in the UK if Scotland splits. The name change is that in that event, Great Britain (.gb country-code

Re: Book / Literature Recommendations

2014-09-16 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 9/16/2014 18:01, Miles Fidelman wrote: Scott Weeks wrote: On Sep 16, 2014, at 10:48 AM, James Bensley wrote: What is the single best book you have read on networking? - Paper is s 20th century. C'mon, we're a decade and a half into the 21st century. :-

RE: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Keith Medcalf
>sc is Seychelles. Available s* include sf, sp, sq, su and sw. They should >pick .sf, use .scot for in-country domains and sell all .sf domains to >San Francisco residents. Or Science Fiction productions. Lots more money there.

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Matt Palmer
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 01:01:24PM -0400, Barry Shein wrote: > .PC, for Picts (I believe it's available.) But I doubt that would fly. They could abolish all taxes and fund the entire country just on domain name sales. > I don't know anything about Scotland's attitude toward being > identified wit

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Rubens Kuhl
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 8:57 PM, Masataka Ohta < mo...@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp> wrote: > What will happen to ".uk" if England is left alone? > Will be reserved to a future "United Korea" if that happens... Rubens

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Masataka Ohta
What will happen to ".uk" if England is left alone? Masataka Ohta

Re: Book / Literature Recommendations

2014-09-16 Thread Miles Fidelman
Scott Weeks wrote: On Sep 16, 2014, at 10:48 AM, James Bensley wrote: What is the single best book you have read on networking? - Paper is s 20th century. C'mon, we're a decade and a half into the 21st century. :-) http://www.tcpipguide.com/free/t_toc.htm

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Owen DeLong
On Sep 16, 2014, at 8:55 AM, Majdi S. Abbas wrote: > On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 12:45:07PM -0300, Rubens Kuhl wrote: >> sc is Seychelles. Available s* include sf, sp, sq, su and sw. They should >> pick .sf, use .scot for in-country domains and sell all .sf domains to San >> Francisco residents. >

Re: Book / Literature Recommendations

2014-09-16 Thread Scott Weeks
> On Sep 16, 2014, at 10:48 AM, James Bensley wrote: > What is the single best book you have read on > networking? - Paper is s 20th century. C'mon, we're a decade and a half into the 21st century. :-) http://www.tcpipguide.com/free/t_toc.htm scott

Re: Book / Literature Recommendations

2014-09-16 Thread Miles Fidelman
John Kristoff wrote: On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 09:48:45 +0100 James Bensley wrote: What is the single best book you have read on networking? Well, it's been a LONG time, but it's got to be either Stallings, Comer, or Tannenbaum. Miles Fidelman

RE: Book / Literature Recommendations

2014-09-16 Thread Russ White
> ³Designing Campus Networks² From Cisco. > ³Internet Routing Architectures² > ³Next Generation Network Services² from Cisco Press I hate to suggest my own book, but -- The Art of Network Architecture, I think, is pretty good. I know Doyle's Routing TCP/IP is good, I really appreciate Radia's Int

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Tom Hill wrote: > On 16/09/14 18:18, David Conrad wrote: >> Clearly the right answer here is either .SW or perhaps just .WH >> (since a whisky from a place other than Scotland is obviously just >> wrong ... :)) > > Actually heard recently that .sq might be the pref

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Tom Hill
On 16/09/14 18:18, David Conrad wrote: > Clearly the right answer here is either .SW or perhaps just .WH > (since a whisky from a place other than Scotland is obviously just > wrong ... :)) Actually heard recently that .sq might be the preferred option. Not sure what the reason for that was. I'd

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Måns Nilsson
Subject: Re: Scotland ccTLD? Date: Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:09:27AM -0700 Quoting Doug Barton (do...@dougbarton.us): > A better question is why is SU still in the root? Since the rebels in eastern Ukraine have been reported to call their intimidation police "НКВД"[0] I suppose the rest of the ap

Re: Book / Literature Recommendations

2014-09-16 Thread John Kristoff
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 09:48:45 +0100 James Bensley wrote: > What is the single best book you have read on networking? I couldn't narrow it down to one, but since it hasn't been mentioned already, Radia Perlman's Interconnections. Her's is utterly fantastic largely in part because she often explai

Re: Book / Literature Recommendations

2014-09-16 Thread Ca By
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 1:48 AM, James Bensley wrote: > Hi All, > > What is the single best book you have read on networking? That's a > wide topic so to clarify I'm talking about service provider networking > but I do enjoy all aspects really and don't want to limit my self to > one area of netwo

Re: Book / Literature Recommendations

2014-09-16 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 6:59 AM, wrote: > Everything Stevens wrote. Even volume 3? TCP/IP Illustrated volume 1 is one of the finest books on IPv4 ever written but volume 3 smells of "Please write us another book. We don't care what it's about, just write something." Regards, Bill Herrin --

Re: Book / Literature Recommendations

2014-09-16 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 5:07 AM, Matthew Kaufman wrote: > "Patterns in Network Architecture" > > You might not agree with it, but it does stimulate some thinking. Hi Matthew, I would agree that any attempt to understand the material stimulates thinking. The book ranges from "inscrutable" to "ext

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread David Conrad
On Sep 16, 2014, at 10:42 AM, Jamie Bowden wrote: >> Clearly the right answer here is either .SW or perhaps just .WH (since a >> whisky from a place other than Scotland is obviously just wrong ... :)) > > I believe the Irish monks who invented the stuff might beg to differ, No, no. They invented

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Doug Barton
On 9/16/14 11:06 AM, David Conrad wrote: On Sep 16, 2014, at 10:52 AM, Doug Barton wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2#Decoding_table Minor nit, referring to secondary sources, even ones so well-maintained as wikipedia, has rather often led to confusion in the ccTLD space.

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread David Conrad
On Sep 16, 2014, at 10:52 AM, Doug Barton wrote: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2#Decoding_table > > Minor nit, referring to secondary sources, even ones so well-maintained as > wikipedia, has rather often led to confusion in the ccTLD space. The primary > source for this info

Re: 2000::/6

2014-09-16 Thread Owen DeLong
On Sep 14, 2014, at 2:19 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote: > On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 5:33 AM, Tarko Tikan wrote: >> 2000::/64 has nothing to do with it. >> >> Any address between 2000::::::: and >> 23ff::::::: together with misconfigured prefix >> le

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Doug Barton
On 9/16/14 10:45 AM, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote: On 9/16/14 8:26 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: What kind of timeframe would a new ccTLD for a major country roll out on? that could be several quite distinct questions: 1. assuming that the "aye" vote prevails, in what quarter will the iso3166/ma iss

Re: Book / Literature Recommendations

2014-09-16 Thread Justin Wilson
³Designing Campus Networks² From Cisco. ³Internet Routing Architectures² ³Next Generation Network Services² from Cisco Press To me those are pretty general and how to apply it to different scenarios. Justin -- Justin Wilson http://www.mtin.net Managed Services ­

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Rubens Kuhl
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 1:26 PM, David Conrad wrote: > On Sep 16, 2014, at 8:45 AM, Rubens Kuhl wrote: > > Available s* include sf, sp, sq, su and sw. > > SF (Finland, from “Suomi Finland”) is “transitionally reserved” meaning it > is allocated but will be removed from the allocated list “soon”

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Doug Barton
On 9/16/14 10:32 AM, William Herrin wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: I know that IANA bases its list of ccTLDs on the 3166 list. Does anyone know if the 3166 secretariat has a preliminary choice in mind? I see press coverage of ".scot", but of course that's not germ

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
On 9/16/14 8:26 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: What kind of timeframe would a new ccTLD for a major country roll out on? that could be several quite distinct questions: 1. assuming that the "aye" vote prevails, in what quarter will the iso3166/ma issue the relevant update, allocating a code point to

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Jaap Akkerhuis
> On Sep 16, 2014, at 8:45 AM, Rubens Kuhl wrote: > > Available s* include sf, sp, sq, su and sw. One really should to consult and before making these kind of assumptions. jaap

RE: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Jamie Bowden
> From: David Conrad > Clearly the right answer here is either .SW or perhaps just .WH (since a > whisky from a place other than Scotland is obviously just wrong ... :)) I believe the Irish monks who invented the stuff might beg to differ, but really, we're talking about an oil rich nation being

Re: Book / Literature Recommendations

2014-09-16 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 09:48:45AM +0100, James Bensley wrote: > What is the single best book you have read on networking? Elements of Networking Style, Michael A. Padlipsky, 1984. How could anyone *not* love a book which includes this in the foreword: Brace yourselves. We are about to

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: > I know that IANA bases its list of ccTLDs on the 3166 list. > > Does anyone know if the 3166 secretariat has a preliminary choice in mind? > I see press coverage of ".scot", but of course that's not germane. Here's a list of assigned and ava

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread William Waites
On 16/09/14 16:26, Jay Ashworth wrote: I see also a suggestion, credited to Dave Eastabrook (sp?) of .ab, which apparently stands for Alba, which I will assume has historical significance (the country name in Scots Gaelic, perhaps?) It has current significance, as Gaelic is recognised as an off

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread David Conrad
On Sep 16, 2014, at 10:01 AM, Barry Shein wrote: > .PC, for Picts (I believe it's available.) But I doubt that would fly. Clearly the right answer here is either .SW or perhaps just .WH (since a whisky from a place other than Scotland is obviously just wrong ... :)) Regards, -drc signature.a

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Doug Barton
On 9/16/14 9:26 AM, David Conrad wrote: SU is the Soviet Union, now classified as “exceptionally reserved” which IANA treats as available for assignment (other exceptionally reserved codes are EU, UK, and AC). Don’t get me started on why SU is exceptionally reserved instead of transitionally res

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Doug Barton
On 9/16/14 9:28 AM, jamie rishaw wrote: Remember, the entire secession movement is being funded by a couple of Lottery winners. Um ... the history of Scots not wanting to be ruled by !Scots goes back a wee bit further. :) Doug

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Barry Shein
.PC, for Picts (I believe it's available.) But I doubt that would fly. They could combine Scotland and Picts to rationalize .SP. I don't know anything about Scotland's attitude toward being identified with the Picts, however. Perhaps that's a nonsensical idea. Oh well. I guess if Scotland devol

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Jay Ashworth
Sss! :-) On September 16, 2014 12:28:05 PM EDT, jamie rishaw wrote: >Do we get to bill time and materials (t&m) if they vote to secede? I >mean, >we're engineers and all but even this discussion has netted a >nonsignificant number of billable hours. > >Remember, the entire secession movement

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Roland Dobbins
On Sep 16, 2014, at 11:26 PM, David Conrad wrote: > Don’t get me started on why SU is exceptionally reserved instead of > transitionally reserved. Just in case? ;> -- Roland Dobbins //

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread jamie rishaw
Do we get to bill time and materials (t&m) if they vote to secede? I mean, we're engineers and all but even this discussion has netted a nonsignificant number of billable hours. Remember, the entire secession movement is being funded by a couple of Lottery winners. Just sayin'. -j On Tue, Sep

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread David Conrad
On Sep 16, 2014, at 8:45 AM, Rubens Kuhl wrote: > Available s* include sf, sp, sq, su and sw. SF (Finland, from “Suomi Finland”) is “transitionally reserved” meaning it is allocated but will be removed from the allocated list “soon” (for some value of the variable “soon”). I believe the hold do

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Jaap Akkerhuis
Jay Ashworth writes: > I know that IANA bases its list of ccTLDs on the 3166 list. > > Does anyone know if the 3166 secretariat has a preliminary choice in > mind? It hasn't. > I see press coverage of ".scot", but of course that's not > germane. That is a gTLD at best, not an alpha-2 I

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread TR Shaw
On Sep 16, 2014, at 11:52 AM, TR Shaw wrote: > > On Sep 16, 2014, at 11:43 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: > >> - Original Message - >>> From: "Suresh Ramasubramanian" >> >>> Alba was the ancient roman name for England, meaning white, because if >>> the white cliffs of Dover >>> >>> They cal

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 16/09/2014 16:43, Jay Ashworth wrote: > Except that, alas, .sc is already assigned, to Seychelles. Or this wouldn't > be a thing. :-) no-one's recently found oil under the Seychelles, so there doesn't seem to be an immediate need to install some new democracy over there and liberate the downt

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Majdi S. Abbas
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 12:45:07PM -0300, Rubens Kuhl wrote: > sc is Seychelles. Available s* include sf, sp, sq, su and sw. They should > pick .sf, use .scot for in-country domains and sell all .sf domains to San > Francisco residents. su is not available. --msa

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Rubens Kuhl
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian < ops.li...@gmail.com> wrote: > Alba was the ancient roman name for England, meaning white, because if the > white cliffs of Dover > > They called Scotland Caledonia and Ireland Hibernia > > Scotland is named for an ancient / mythical queen

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread TR Shaw
On Sep 16, 2014, at 11:43 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: > - Original Message - >> From: "Suresh Ramasubramanian" > >> Alba was the ancient roman name for England, meaning white, because if >> the white cliffs of Dover >> >> They called Scotland Caledonia and Ireland Hibernia > > Ah. > >> S

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Mark E. Jeftovic
.SC is the ccTLD for Seychelles - mark Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > Alba was the ancient roman name for England, meaning white, because if the > white cliffs of Dover > > They called Scotland Caledonia and Ireland Hibernia > > Scotland is named for an ancient / mythical queen named Scota so

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Suresh Ramasubramanian" > Alba was the ancient roman name for England, meaning white, because if > the white cliffs of Dover > > They called Scotland Caledonia and Ireland Hibernia Ah. > Scotland is named for an ancient / mythical queen named Scota so they

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Alba was the ancient roman name for England, meaning white, because if the white cliffs of Dover They called Scotland Caledonia and Ireland Hibernia Scotland is named for an ancient / mythical queen named Scota so they should be fine with say sc On 16-Sep-2014 8:58 pm, "Jay Ashworth" wrote: > I

Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Jay Ashworth
I know that IANA bases its list of ccTLDs on the 3166 list. Does anyone know if the 3166 secretariat has a preliminary choice in mind? I see press coverage of ".scot", but of course that's not germane. I see also a suggestion, credited to Dave Eastabrook (sp?) of .ab, which apparently stands for

Re: Book / Literature Recommendations

2014-09-16 Thread coy . hile
Everything Stevens wrote. Including newer editions since his passing. Bill kept him listed as first author on the new edition of APUE for a reason. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 16, 2014, at 5:04, Roland Dobbins wrote: > > >> On Sep 16, 2014, at 3:48 PM, James Bensley wrote: >> >> What is th

Re: Book / Literature Recommendations

2014-09-16 Thread Jason Biel
BGP Bible: Internet Routing Architectures (2nd Edition) http://amzn.com/157870233X On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 4:07 AM, Matthew Kaufman wrote: > "Patterns in Network Architecture" > > You might not agree with it, but it does stimulate some thinking. > > Matthew Kaufman > > (Sent from my iPhone) > >

Re: Book / Literature Recommendations

2014-09-16 Thread Matthew Kaufman
"Patterns in Network Architecture" You might not agree with it, but it does stimulate some thinking. Matthew Kaufman (Sent from my iPhone) > On Sep 16, 2014, at 10:48 AM, James Bensley wrote: > > Hi All, > > What is the single best book you have read on networking? That's a > wide topic so t

Re: Book / Literature Recommendations

2014-09-16 Thread Roland Dobbins
On Sep 16, 2014, at 3:48 PM, James Bensley wrote: > What is the single best book you have read on networking? Impossible to answer with just one, really. Apart from the classics like Stevens and Perlman and Halabi and McPherson and Doyle, these two:

Re: Book / Literature Recommendations

2014-09-16 Thread Rakesh M
i found mpls enabled applications better, not sure if that meets your requirement. R On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 2:18 PM, James Bensley wrote: > Hi All, > > What is the single best book you have read on networking? That's a > wide topic so to clarify I'm talking about service provider networking >

Book / Literature Recommendations

2014-09-16 Thread James Bensley
Hi All, What is the single best book you have read on networking? That's a wide topic so to clarify I'm talking about service provider networking but I do enjoy all aspects really and don't want to limit my self to one area of networking. I'm often reading technical books about technology X or pr