On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:51 AM, Jeroen Massar jer...@massar.ch wrote:
There used to be a handy ipv6@google address for reporting things. This
nowadays bounces.
yes, it changed to noc@ I think. and yup, damian (and a few other
folk) beat the mtu issue with a cold trout.
On 2014-11-10 09:10, Christopher Morrow wrote:
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:51 AM, Jeroen Massar jer...@massar.ch wrote:
There used to be a handy ipv6@google address for reporting things. This
nowadays bounces.
yes, it changed to noc@ I think.
Thus, in case of an IPv6 issue, contacting
Forwarding this so that everybody can comment on this nasty proposal ;)
Forcing replies to v6...@ietf.org where they likely should be taking
place as that is where recently the mentioned draft was accepted as a WG
item.
Greets,
Jeroen
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Subject: [v6ops] IPv6
OutSide Plant design(OSP) is a specialized field worthy of significant
study. The consequences of getting a OSP design wrong are much harder to
fix than getting a network design wrong. You are designing for *20 years*.
If you are at the point of asking a mailing list NANOG, which, um, is not
Gah!
Municipal fiber networks can be total failures or the best investment a
community can make. It all depends on the implementation.
There are eight steps one needs to get right: 1) public policy goals, 2)
technical goals meet the public policy goals, 3) survey community
demographics and
I never said copy Chattanooga's implementation, I just said reach out to
them. While every city is different, he might be able to find out problems
other cities had and how they got around those issues.
Maybe he might get a few problems/fixes from Chattanooga that might help,
maybe a few from
Dear List,
I've got an upcoming deployment in Equinix (DC10) and I'm struggling to
find a provider who can give me a 100Mbit port (With a commit of about
5-10Mbit) with a /23 or /24 of public space , for OOB purposes. We had
hoped to use Equinixs services, however they're limiting us to a single
Couldn't you put a router or VPN system on the single IP they are giving
you and use RFC1918 addressing space?
OOB doesn't normally justify a /24 let alone a /23.
On 10 November 2014 13:18, Ruairi Carroll ruairi.carr...@gmail.com wrote:
Dear List,
I've got an upcoming deployment in Equinix
Hey,
VPN setup is not really a viable option (for us) in this scenario.
Honestly, I'd prefer to just call it done already and have a VPN but due to
certain restraints, we have to go down this route.
/Ruairi
On 10 November 2014 14:38, Alistair Mackenzie magics...@gmail.com wrote:
Couldn't you
I'd be doubtful if anyone will feel like offering a /23 with OOB as
justification these days, sadly.
Good luck nonetheless.
On 11/10/2014 午後 11:00, Ruairi Carroll wrote:
Hey,
VPN setup is not really a viable option (for us) in this scenario.
Honestly, I'd prefer to just call it done already
Misc thoughts...
Legal
I don't know your background, but I recommend you get with the EFF and/or SANS
and get a good idea of possible legal ramifications, e.g. if you choose to be
an internet provider vs. an internet services provider vs. a private network
provider or a telecommunications
+1 to what Faisal said.
And before you take possession I recommend you do a thorough fibre test. Check
for all aspects of the fibre--signal deterioration and etc. Shoot the fibre
and map it out, it's strengths and weaknesses, so you know what you are dealing
with.
--Patrick Darden
Hey,
VPN setup is not really a viable option (for us) in this scenario.
Honestly, I'd prefer to just call it done already and have a VPN but due to
certain restraints, we have to go down this route.
Without explaining the restraints, this kinda boils down to 'cuz we
want it, which stopped
On 2014-11-10 15:20, Joe Greco wrote:
Hey,
VPN setup is not really a viable option (for us) in this scenario.
Honestly, I'd prefer to just call it done already and have a VPN but due to
certain restraints, we have to go down this route.
Without explaining the restraints, this kinda boils
While short and to the point, what Fletcher said is likely to be the
best advice in this thread.
Getting someone on staff who understands *both* outside plant
architecture and balance sheets... and can co-develop a business
model that involves the lateral build-out from the six POPs around
town
On 10 November 2014 15:20, Joe Greco jgr...@ns.sol.net wrote:
Hey,
VPN setup is not really a viable option (for us) in this scenario.
Honestly, I'd prefer to just call it done already and have a VPN but due
to
certain restraints, we have to go down this route.
Without explaining the
On 2014-11-10 15:35, Rob Seastrom wrote:
While short and to the point, what Fletcher said is likely to be the
best advice in this thread.
Getting someone on staff who understands *both* outside plant
architecture and balance sheets... and can co-develop a business
model that involves the
Thanks for all of the lines everyone dropped me, issue is resolved.
Malcolm Staudinger
Information Security Analyst II | EIS
EarthLink
E: mstaudin...@elnk.com
M: 360-936-5957
-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Staudinger, Malcolm
Sent: Friday,
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 08:20:44AM -0600, Joe Greco wrote:
Hey,
VPN setup is not really a viable option (for us) in this scenario.
Honestly, I'd prefer to just call it done already and have a VPN but due to
certain restraints, we have to go down this route.
Without explaining the
Goodwill != nice. Goodwill is respect, honesty and a genuine concern
for a positive outcome. nice is frequently concentrating more on avoiding
conflict than on a good outcome. I care more than most about the outcome
than most because I will share your failure. I will be sitting on some
panel
I have had problems reaching www.mysql.com (AS794 Oracle) from AS39651 (Comhem
Stockholm Sweden) for about a week now.
Looking glass from Level3 and Telia shows me error as well.
Can give login to a linux shell for troubleshooting.
Traceroute :
Host Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev
Let me second those thanks
On 11/9/2014 4:38 PM, scottie mac wrote:
Holy molly, thankyou!! I just enrolled.
On 08/11/14 23:00, nanog-requ...@nanog.org wrote:
From: Wakefield, Thad M. twakefi...@stcloudstate.edu To:
nanog@nanog.org nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Cisco CCNA Training
Hi all,
DB9 ports seem to be a nearly extinct feature on laptops. Any
suggestions on a cheap laptop for use in field support (with an onboard
DB9)?
Thanks,
Max
Get a cheap usb--serial converter. Check amazon for trend usb rs-232 db9
serial converter, tu-s9. Then you can just use whatever laptop.
--p
-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Max Clark
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 2:39 PM
To:
If you are able to carry a USB cable I've actually found that these work
PERFECTLY: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004ETETZK
I've never had an issue, I currently have an OOB console server set up with the
4 head version of this and haven't had an issue. They're rock solid.
--
Kate
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014, Max Clark wrote:
DB9 ports seem to be a nearly extinct feature on laptops. Any suggestions on
a cheap laptop for use in field support (with an onboard DB9)?
You might be able to pick up something like an old Dell Latitute D800
series pretty cheaply. Built-in RS232
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:39:02PM -0800, Max Clark wrote:
DB9 ports seem to be a nearly extinct feature on laptops. Any
suggestions on a cheap laptop for use in field support (with an
onboard DB9)?
Might be easier to get an Aten UC232A converter to do USBDB9, you
are right that DB9 directly
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Job Snijders j...@instituut.net wrote:
Do you have a specific application that would prohibit the use of USB?
It's purely for convenience and forgetfulness.
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Max Clark max.cl...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
DB9 ports seem to be a nearly extinct feature on laptops. Any suggestions
on a cheap laptop for use in field support (with an onboard DB9)?
You can look at older Dell Latitudes such as D620 or any Prolific based
ftdi chipsets work on both mac and windows devices.
http://www.amazon.com/Serial-Console-Rollover-Cable-Routers/dp/B00M2SAKMG/ref=sr_1_16?s=electronicsie=UTF8qid=1415653377sr=1-16keywords=ftdi+serial
On 11/10/14 10:39 AM, Max Clark wrote:
Hi all,
DB9 ports seem to be a nearly extinct feature
If USB is banned, ask about expansion cards. The HP 650 G1 has a serial port,
but it's not cheap.
On 11/10/2014 12:39 PM, Max Clark wrote:
Hi all,
DB9 ports seem to be a nearly extinct feature on laptops. Any suggestions on
a cheap laptop for use
in field support (with an onboard DB9)?
I have found Air Console to be amazing:
http://www.get-console.com/airconsole/
I have one that comes with me in my bag everywhere.
I also have purchased a couple of their 1.8M USB to Cisco Rollover Cables which
include the USB to Serial converter in the USB Plug. The cable can be adapted
to
Hi,
We are an Internet and IP telephony provider in Canada and looking for
options to reduce our costs. We are exploring hosted IP telephony option to
see how it can help us reducing cost and operational headaches.
We have few hundred of phone adapters to register and this number increases
On 10/11/14 12:53, Darden, Patrick wrote:
Get a cheap usb--serial converter. Check amazon for trend usb rs-232
db9 serial converter, tu-s9. Then you can just use whatever laptop.
I've seen some cheap RS-232 converters fail with some devices. I was
last bitten by one that just refused to work
I had a cheap one. Worked great but never worked on Windows 7
This is the one I recommend.
http://www.amazon.com/Manhattan-Serial-Converter-Connects-205146/dp/B0007OWNYA
On 11/10/2014 12:53 PM, Darden, Patrick wrote:
Get a cheap usb--serial converter. Check amazon for trend usb rs-232 db9
On 11/10/2014 03:59 PM, Eugeniu Patrascu wrote:
Prolific based USB-to-Serial adapter
Anecodotally, I recommend against Prolific-based solutions. While doing
some embedded dev work, I quite unintentionally found a specific data
pattern that would reliably get corrupted by the Prolific cable
On 11/10/2014 02:05 PM, joel jaeggli wrote:
ftdi chipsets work on both mac and windows devices.
I'd be careful with FTDI chipsets, you want to make sure you get the
real chip. If they decide to move forward with bricking counterfeit
chips, you'll be wasting your $$.
--John
You mean like they did with the last driver update pushed via Windows
Update?
http://hackaday.com/2014/10/22/watch-that-windows-update-ftdi-drivers-are-killing-fake-chips/
On 10 Nov 2014 23:32, John Schiel jsch...@flowtools.net wrote:
On 11/10/2014 02:05 PM, joel jaeggli wrote:
ftdi chipsets
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Paul S. cont...@winterei.se wrote:
I'd be doubtful if anyone will feel like offering a /23 with OOB as
justification these days, sadly.
why thought? Justification is really about having a use for the ips,
right? and if you have 500 servers/network-devices ...
The bonus about the adapter that I linked is that they use legit chips.
I went through the FTDI driver update without a problem.
-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+kate=quadranet@nanog.org] On Behalf Of
Bacon Zombie
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 2:44 PM
To:
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:05:39AM -1000, joel jaeggli wrote:
ftdi chipsets work on both mac and windows devices.
As long as it's FTDI and not FTDI...
- Matt
--
Once one has achieved full endarkenment, one is happy to have an entirely
nonfunctional computer
-- Steve
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:57:49PM -0800, Max Clark wrote:
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Job Snijders j...@instituut.net wrote:
Do you have a specific application that would prohibit the use of USB?
It's purely for convenience and forgetfulness.
Cable ties. They're my forget-me-not.
-
I have a box of the db9 to USB converters from monoprice, cheap as dirt and
work great with the prolific and open source version as well.
Cody
On Nov 10, 2014 12:52 PM, Max Clark max.cl...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
DB9 ports seem to be a nearly extinct feature on laptops. Any suggestions
on a
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 03:15:38PM -0800, Kate Gerry wrote:
The bonus about the adapter that I linked is that they use legit chips.
If only supply chain security were that easy.
- Matt
Kind of sad that the state govs don't curtail telnet,,,
[root@bighughness ~]# telnet 167.240.254.155 623
Trying 167.240.254.155...
Connected to external-dns1.state.mi.us (167.240.254.155).
Escape character is '^]'.
Username:root
Password:
Also worth mentioning: in a pinch they work great on Android and BlackBerry
(Z30) devices with USB OTG support.
From memory I believe both pl2303 and FTDI work.
Another laptop option is an ExpressCard to serial adapter:
http://www.brainboxes.com/serial-expresscard
Disclaimer: this was merely
Generally speaking its a bad idea to show you hacking into a server. Makes
it to easy to prosecute those who do.
We recently bought some HP 6570b laptops. They come standard with a DB9 in the
back.
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014, Max Clark wrote:
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 12:39:02 -0800
From: Max Clark max.cl...@gmail.com
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Tech Laptop with DB9
Hi all,
DB9 ports seem to be a nearly
You can pick up an old toughbook on eBay that have serial ports for
reasonable prices. Put in flash disk and run linux for a reasonable
experience. But for the height of convenience you cant go past an Air
Console. http://www.get-console.com/airconsole/ Nothing beats being able
to plug it in
Hello,
Any recommendation, not looking for anything fantasy, my understanding it
should be quardcore, with more than DIMM0 slot so each can have 8G.
wind7-64bits to work. I want to use it as a server or practice logical routers
That's a far, far cry from hacking...
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Brian Henson marin...@gmail.com wrote:
Generally speaking its a bad idea to show you hacking into a server. Makes
it to easy to prosecute those who do.
--
09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
On November 10, 2014 4:49:08 PM EST, lobna gouda lobna_go...@hotmail.com
wrote:
Hello,
Any recommendation, not looking for anything fantasy, my understanding
it should be quardcore, with more than DIMM0 slot so each can have 8G.
wind7-64bits to work. I want to use it as a server or practice
We're looking for a semi-portable solution to validate 10Gb customer
circuits and hitting walls surrounding PCI lanes and the amount of data
laptops can push via their busses. We'd prefer to not have techs lugging
around server equipment for these tests.
Anyone out there testing 10gbE with iPerf?
I have not tried doing that myself, but the only thing that would even be
possible that I know of is thunderbolt.
A new MacBook Pro and one of these maybe:
http://www.sonnettech.com/product/echoexpresssel_10gbeadapter.html
-Randy
- On Nov 10, 2014, at 7:26 PM, Daniel Rohan
why doesn't a tbird do this for you?
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Randy Carpenter rcar...@network1.net wrote:
I have not tried doing that myself, but the only thing that would even be
possible that I know of is thunderbolt.
A new MacBook Pro and one of these maybe:
On Nov 10, 2014, at 4:24 PM, Izaac iz...@setec.org wrote:
If you're stuck working in a completely isolated environment, then work it
into the contract. That's the cost of being on an island.
This is the argument being made against all the citizens who have the temerity
to live in British
Hey,
If anyone from the routing / peering team of Internode / iiNet happens
to frequent this list, could you reach me off-list?
I've been having routing problems with my peering session to you for a
few months already, and haven't been able to get a response off the
helpdesk.
Thanks, and
You really want one of these
http://www.jdsu.com/en-us/Test-and-Measurement/products/a-z-product-list/Pa
ges/tb-6000.aspx#.VGFcetZ65PI
Or it¹s larger 9000 series that can scale to 100Gb.
On 11/10/14, 7:26 PM, Daniel Rohan dro...@gmail.com wrote:
We're looking for a semi-portable solution to
I gotta wonder. How reliable is iPerf over something like RFC2544 or Y.1564?
Especially at those speeds?
I just picked up a couple of Accedian’s RFC2544/Y.1564 boxes to use as
loopbacks to our field Exfos. We’ll probably wind up buying a few more
Accedian boxes for the field where we don’t
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Mike Hale eyeronic.des...@gmail.com wrote:
That's a far, far cry from hacking...
Maybe in your opinion, but not the opinion of the very same people who
were stupid enough to keep telnet open. ...and those same people have
armies with guns. So my opinion and
Aaron C. de Bruyn wrote:
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Mike Hale eyeronic.des...@gmail.com wrote:
That's a far, far cry from hacking...
Maybe in your opinion, but not the opinion of the very same people who
were stupid enough to keep telnet open. ...and those same people have
armies with
On 11/10/2014 06:34 PM, Joe wrote:
Kind of sad that the state govs don't curtail telnet,,,
[root@bighughness ~]# telnet 167.240.254.155 623
Trying 167.240.254.155...
Connected to external-dns1.state.mi.us (167.240.254.155).
Escape character is '^]'.
Username:root
Password:
Hopefully a
Nobody will ever need more than 64K...M...G...
George William Herbert
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 10, 2014, at 4:24 PM, Izaac iz...@setec.org wrote:
On November 10, 2014 4:49:08 PM EST, lobna gouda lobna_go...@hotmail.com
wrote:
Hello,
Any recommendation, not looking for anything fantasy,
--- jmkel...@houseofzen.org wrote:
From: James Michael Keller jmkel...@houseofzen.org
On 11/10/2014 06:34 PM, Joe wrote:
Kind of sad that the state govs don't curtail telnet,,,
[root@bighughness ~]# telnet 167.240.254.155 623
Trying 167.240.254.155...
Connected to external-dns1.state.mi.us
Why use IPv4 for OOB? Seems a little late in the day for that.
-Bill
On Nov 10, 2014, at 15:02, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Paul S. cont...@winterei.se wrote:
I'd be doubtful if anyone will feel like offering a
because a /23 of ipv6 is very large :)
also, it's hard to use ipv6 when your last miile provider doesn't offer it...
#fios
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 7:53 PM, Bill Woodcock wo...@pch.net wrote:
Why use IPv4 for OOB? Seems a little late in the day for that.
-Bill
On Nov
Generally speaking its best you do what your good at and this is not it.
Exposing there is a window open to a gov agency is not hacking, trust me. I
would say go back to fathering children and once you have a few more years
under your belt feel free to join in.
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 5:48 PM,
Ha ya know what they say... Don't ever trust someone that says trust me...
--
Jason Hellenthal
Mobile: +1 (616) 953-0176
jhellent...@dataix.net
JJH48-ARIN
On Nov 10, 2014, at 21:43, Joe jbfixu...@gmail.com wrote:
Generally speaking its best you do what your good at and this is not it.
On 2014-11-10 21:55, Justin M. Streiner wrote:
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014, Max Clark wrote:
DB9 ports seem to be a nearly extinct feature on laptops. Any
suggestions on a cheap laptop for use in field support (with an
onboard DB9)?
My HP EliteBook 8570p has a DB9 port. (I bought it last year, so
I was able to ignore it for a while, but now I have run into one in two
unrelated threads.
What does bikeshedding mean here?
And, what does OOB mean here--the decodes with which I am familiar do
not seem to fit: Out of Bounds, Out Of Body, Out of Bed, Out of
Business, Open Of Business
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:16 PM, Larry Sheldon larryshel...@cox.net wrote:
I was able to ignore it for a while, but now I have run into one in two
unrelated threads.
What does bikeshedding mean here?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson's_law_of_triviality
And, what does OOB mean here--the
On 11/10/2014 22:23, Christopher Morrow wrote:
Thanks--I've received several useful offers of help.
What does bikeshedding mean here?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson's_law_of_triviality
I'd forgotten the Parkinson's discussion and the term didn't stir
anything up. I have current
On Tuesday, November 11, 2014 01:00:54 AM Christopher Morrow
wrote:
why thought? Justification is really about having a use
for the ips, right? and if you have 500
servers/network-devices ... then you have justification
for a /23 ... it seems to me.
Unless Equinix have an actual product
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