Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-09 Thread Larry Sheldon
I (sortakinda related to the as-drifted thread) was reminded today of another flag I watched for back in the day by something I saw on Facebook™ today--people using words (especially big words) that do not mean what they think they do.

Re: Regulators now regulating Internet History? Really?

2015-06-09 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 6/8/2015 08:46, Jay Farrell via NANOG wrote: The article is nothing more or less than what you'd expect to read from the American Enterprise Institute. All regulation totally sucks is their only message ever. Unaddressed so far, is the appearance that the regulator quoted (without apparent

Re: most accurate geo-IP source to build country-based access lists

2015-06-09 Thread Martin T
John, At a brute force country level it is possible to use the Delegated ranges lists but that runs into the problem where IP ranges are subnetted and allocated to other countries. Yeah. In addition, to illustrate the point in my initial post, sometimes inetnum objects contain more than one

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-09 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Mon, 8 Jun 2015, Yardiel D. Fuentes wrote: This discussion is always reminisced of questions such as: Why would I want to learn Algebra or Calculus in college ? or why would I want to go to college at all ? .. the student argues that calculus or college is hardly ever used, if at all, in a

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread Alan Buxey
'We plan to use DHCPv6 rather than SLAAC for a variety of reasons' Care to elaborate on the reasons? Due to client support we have both. In fact we had SLAAC for many years and just 2 years ago we added DHCPv6 ..that was to ensure fuller client support (since windows and OSX amongst others

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

2015-06-09 Thread Alan Buxey
'Don't learn by heart that which you can look up.' apart from enough basics to get you up and connected so that you CAN look things up! ;) There's a whole debate about the education system and learning things by rote that can be looked up. In many sectors you have reference tomes. ..some

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread Paul B. Henson
On Tue, Jun 09, 2015 at 07:30:48AM +0100, Alan Buxey wrote: Care to elaborate on the reasons? Heh, there's a reason I said variety ;). Honestly, I'm like 90% systems and 10% network, our network guys could probably better explain all of the underlying thought process. My primary task on the

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 11:19 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: We're in the beginning steps of bringing up IPv6 at the fairly large university where I work. We plan to use DHCPv6 rather than SLAAC for a variety of reasons. One of our guys recently noticed that Android has no support for

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:09 AM, Paul B. Henson hen...@acm.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 09, 2015 at 07:30:48AM +0100, Alan Buxey wrote: Care to elaborate on the reasons? Heh, there's a reason I said variety ;). Honestly, I'm like 90% systems and 10% network, our network guys could probably better

Re: PPPoE/IPoE, any recommendations for upgrade?

2015-06-09 Thread Eduardo Schoedler
Junos OS Subscriber Management? http://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/junos13.1/information-products/pathway-pages/subscriber-access/index.html -- Eduardo Schoedler 2015-06-07 3:19 GMT-03:00 Nasser Heidari nas...@rasana.net: Hi, We are currently using PPPoE in our network. I have seen

RE: 100G DWDM FEC standard

2015-06-09 Thread Peter Lothberg
From a standards perspective keep in mind that http://www.stupi.se/Standards/100G-long-haul4.pdf is not approved - but we are working hard on it. OTOH having a reference implementation at hand, is an accelerator that helps a lot. There is a whole industry that do not want it to be plug and

RE: 100G DWDM FEC standard

2015-06-09 Thread Gert Grammel
Hi Mikael, From a standards perspective keep in mind that http://www.stupi.se/Standards/100G-long-haul4.pdf is not approved - but we are working hard on it. OTOH having a reference implementation at hand, is an accelerator that helps a lot. Let me also add some color to your email as the

Re: most accurate geo-IP source to build country-based access lists

2015-06-09 Thread Joe Abley
On 9 Jun 2015, at 5:11, Martin T wrote: At a brute force country level it is possible to use the Delegated ranges lists but that runs into the problem where IP ranges are subnetted and allocated to other countries. Yeah. I would say that a perfectly accurate mapping of address to anything

Assistance troubleshooting a route between my network and Comcast in Georgia

2015-06-09 Thread Drew Hastings
I'm new to this list, and I apologize in advance if this is an inappropriate submission. I'm having an issue with my traffic routing between my network and Comcast in the Georgia region. Aside from this specific ISP and that geographic region, I haven't seen any issues with traffic. My network is

Looking for information on IGP choices in dual-stack networks

2015-06-09 Thread Victor Kuarsingh
Nanog Folks: Philip Matthews and I are co-authors on an active draft within the IETF related to IPv6 routing design choices. To ensure we are gathering sufficient data we are looking for an expanded set of input from operator forums as well (vs. just the v6ops IETF list). The draft is

RFP for Internet Transit for ARIN ASN 394018 (1GB Wowrack’s datacenter located in Tukwila, Seattle)

2015-06-09 Thread John Curran
Hello NANOG Folks - Apologies for the distraction, but ARIN needs some transit providers and I thought there may be one or two on this list... We need 1 GB via standard multi-mode fiber in Wowrack/Seattle - ISP must provide native IPv4 and IPv6 connectivity, provide full view

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread Matthew Kaufman
On 6/8/2015 11:35 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 11:19 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: We're in the beginning steps of bringing up IPv6 at the fairly large university where I work. We plan to use DHCPv6 rather than SLAAC for a variety of reasons. One of our guys

grepcidr 2.99

2015-06-09 Thread John Levine
I've updated grepcidr again, adding some code contributed by a user. (This open source thing may actually have a future.) grepcidr is what it sounds like, you give it a bunch of CIDR ranges, and files to read, and it prints out the lines in the files that contain addresses that match any of the

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jun 9, 2015, at 09:22 , Matthew Kaufman matt...@matthew.at wrote: On 6/8/2015 11:35 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 11:19 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: We're in the beginning steps of bringing up IPv6 at the fairly large university where I work. We plan to use

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread A . L . M . Buxey
Hi, supporting DHCPv6 seems to be that mobile networks don't need it, but that totally ignores 802.11 which is equally important. ...and what about 802.3 for those Android boxes/systems on the wired? :-) I would hope we're past the religious arguments of SLAAC vs DHCPv6 but it seems like

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread Ray Soucy
It really is too bad. They're literally the only major player not on board but claim to champion IPv6. There is a big difference between saying that something isn't supported and the Android position that they will NOT support DHCPv6. To me, that's something that shouldn't be a decision they

Re: Looking for information on IGP choices in dual-stack networks

2015-06-09 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: If you have a production dual-stack network, then we would like to know which IGP you use to route IPv4 and which you use to route IPv6. in one network, both ospfs. in another is-is. i recommend the latter. We would also like

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread A . L . M . Buxey
Hi, Agreed - apparently the solution is to implement SLAAC + DNS advertisements *AND* DHCPv6. Because you need SLAAC + DNS advertisements for Android, and you need DHCPv6 for Windows. Windows has been dealing with SLAAC for ages...and OSX... DHCPv6 is relatively new in that arena...

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Tue, 9 Jun 2015, Joel Maslak wrote: Agreed - apparently the solution is to implement SLAAC + DNS advertisements *AND* DHCPv6. Because you need SLAAC + DNS advertisements for Android, and you need DHCPv6 for Windows. Am I the only one that thinks this situation is stupid? You don't need

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread A . L . M . Buxey
Hi, and we wonder at the pitiful ipv6 deployment. if more network admins actually did network stuff then IPv6 deployment would be plentiful and we could even start the discussion about turning off IPv4 ;-) alan

Re: Looking for information on IGP choices in dual-stack networks

2015-06-09 Thread Joe Abley
On 9 Jun 2015, at 16:23, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: If you have a production dual-stack network, then we would like to know which IGP you use to route IPv4 and which you use to route IPv6. in one network, both ospfs. in

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread Doug Clements
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Joel Maslak jmas...@antelope.net wrote: Agreed - apparently the solution is to implement SLAAC + DNS advertisements *AND* DHCPv6. Because you need SLAAC + DNS advertisements for Android, and you need DHCPv6 for Windows. Am I the only one that thinks this

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread Randy Bush
i love this discussion. another enterprise wants to use ipv4 with minimal change from ipv4, has problems, and the usual suspects tell them to drink koolaid. and we wonder at the pitiful ipv6 deployment. randy

Fwd: PeeringDB 2.0 Rollout And Governance Announcement

2015-06-09 Thread Job Snijders
[ Forwarding today's announcement, apologies for duplicates ] --- Hi Everyone! PeeringDB is rolling our the first major revision since its inception, PeeringDB 2.0. This email will explain the basics, and how you can learn more information if you are interested. Future

Re: Looking for information on IGP choices in dual-stack networks

2015-06-09 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Joe Abley jab...@hopcount.ca wrote: On 9 Jun 2015, at 16:23, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: If you have a production dual-stack network, then we would like to know which IGP you use to route IPv4 and

Re: Looking for information on IGP choices in dual-stack networks

2015-06-09 Thread Randy Bush
If you have a production dual-stack network, then we would like to know which IGP you use to route IPv4 and which you use to route IPv6. in one network, both ospfs. in another is-is. i recommend the latter. We would also like to know roughly how many routers are running this combination.

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread Joel Maslak
Agreed - apparently the solution is to implement SLAAC + DNS advertisements *AND* DHCPv6. Because you need SLAAC + DNS advertisements for Android, and you need DHCPv6 for Windows. Am I the only one that thinks this situation is stupid? On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 1:17 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 09 Jun 2015 14:27:31 -0600, Joel Maslak said: Agreed - apparently the solution is to implement SLAAC + DNS advertisements *AND* DHCPv6. Because you need SLAAC + DNS advertisements for Android, and you need DHCPv6 for Windows. Am I the only one that thinks this situation is stupid?

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread Jared Mauch
On Jun 9, 2015, at 4:40 PM, Doug Clements dcleme...@gmail.com wrote: - Most WPA2-Enterprise schemes are sullied with warnings about traffic being monitored as a response to private CAs being installed. I had this issue at the last NANOG meeting, I sometimes share my wifi with an embedded

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread Jared Mauch
On Jun 9, 2015, at 4:43 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se wrote: On Tue, 9 Jun 2015, Joel Maslak wrote: Agreed - apparently the solution is to implement SLAAC + DNS advertisements *AND* DHCPv6. Because you need SLAAC + DNS advertisements for Android, and you need DHCPv6 for

Re: Looking for information on IGP choices in dual-stack networks

2015-06-09 Thread Randy Bush
Think of scenarios where you have mergers/acquisitions where different portions of the now amalgamated network were designed differently and there may be too much pain or require too much time to redesign rather than bolt together and redistribute. But in that case, don't they usually say The

Re: Looking for information on IGP choices in dual-stack networks

2015-06-09 Thread joel jaeggli
On 6/9/15 2:00 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Joe Abley jab...@hopcount.ca wrote: On 9 Jun 2015, at 16:23, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: If you have a production dual-stack network, then we would like

Re: Routing Insecurity (Re: BGP in the Washington Post)

2015-06-09 Thread David Mandelberg
On 2015-06-05 02:40, Roland Dobbins wrote: On 5 Jun 2015, at 10:56, David Mandelberg wrote: Could you elaborate on your enumeration and DDoS concerns? Crypto = more overhead. Less priority to crypto plus DDoS = routing update issues. I don't think there's an update issue here. The crypto

Re: Looking for information on IGP choices in dual-stack networks

2015-06-09 Thread Joe Abley
Hi Randy, On Jun 9, 2015, at 18:08, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: Routers makes more sense to me than networks (IGP, so one network, right?) so you are thinking of a network where half the routers run is-is one quarter ospf/ospfv2 and one quarter ospf/ripv3. right. No, not at all. I

RE: Looking for information on IGP choices in dual-stack networks

2015-06-09 Thread Sameer Khosla
Think of scenarios where you have mergers/acquisitions where different portions of the now amalgamated network were designed differently and there may be too much pain or require too much time to redesign rather than bolt together and redistribute. Sk. -Original Message- that confuses

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread Owen DeLong
At the end of the day, I see Androids refusal to implement DHCPv6 as about the same level of stupidity as Apple’s refusal to implement 464XLAT in iOS. Both companies need to pull their heads out of their asses. Further, the cellular companies would do well to be more adaptive to the

Re: Looking for information on IGP choices in dual-stack networks

2015-06-09 Thread Randy Bush
Routers makes more sense to me than networks (IGP, so one network, right?) so you are thinking of a network where half the routers run is-is one quarter ospf/ospfv2 and one quarter ospf/ripv3. right. there was a very large provider that had one is-is leven-2 across many bgp confederations.

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread Randy Bush
and we wonder at the pitiful ipv6 deployment. if more network admins actually did network stuff then IPv6 deployment would be plentiful and we could even start the discussion about turning off IPv4 ;-) and cash would fall from the sky we are currently in the cycle where net ops are

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Doug Clements dcleme...@gmail.com said: If you think this is stupid, look in to the situation for modern WiFi and Android. Haven't bothered to see if there's a bug (since my experience with Android and Google bug reports was a waste of time), but since my Android devices

Re: Looking for information on IGP choices in dual-stack networks

2015-06-09 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 09 Jun 2015 21:55:31 -, Sameer Khosla said: Think of scenarios where you have mergers/acquisitions where different portions of the now amalgamated network were designed differently and there may be too much pain or require too much time to redesign rather than bolt together

Re: Looking for information on IGP choices in dual-stack networks

2015-06-09 Thread Victor Kuarsingh
I/we (Philip and I) attempted to keep the question as generic as possible, allowing folks to state the IGPs they use, in whichever combination or in some cases (as we can see), more complex deployments. I would agree with statements form Joel earlier with respect to cases where early vendor

Re: Looking for information on IGP choices in dual-stack networks

2015-06-09 Thread Randy Bush
a researcher i know and respect asked a bunch of ops what features that used. the researcher finally said something similar to operators seem to actually use all those kinky knobs and protocols. for any kink you can imagine, someone does it. there are operators who have even deployed ipv6 :)

Re: Routing Insecurity (Re: BGP in the Washington Post)

2015-06-09 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 09 Jun 2015 19:09:45 -0400, David Mandelberg said: I don't think there's an update issue here. The crypto verification is probably going to be deferred in addition to being low priority. If I understand it correctly, this means that a route can be passed along right away without

Re: Routing Insecurity (Re: BGP in the Washington Post)

2015-06-09 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 09 Jun 2015 21:19:23 -0400, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu said: Didn't we have a very amusing afternoon a number of years ago when $VENDOR did exactly that with some invalid routing data? Or am I mis-remembering history, and therefor doomed to mis-repeat it? Actually, it was collusion.

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread Lorenzo Colitti
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Paul B. Henson hen...@acm.org wrote: https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=32621 It looks like one developer simply refuses to implement it because if he did there might be a scenario where somebody might not be able to tether 8-/? That sounds

Re: grepcidr 2.99

2015-06-09 Thread Jason Hellenthal
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi John, Great contribution. Thanks Might I make a suggestion? with the following command it gives Invalid CIDR. In my usage it would seem logically convenient to throw any quad octet at it and have it translate to the proper CIDR range that

Re: Looking for information on IGP choices in dual-stack networks

2015-06-09 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 9:10 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: a researcher i know and respect asked a bunch of ops what features that used. the researcher finally said something similar to operators seem to actually use all those kinky knobs and protocols. for any kink you can imagine,

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread Dale W. Carder
Thus spake Paul B. Henson (hen...@acm.org) on Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 08:14:54PM -0700: We're in the beginning steps of bringing up IPv6 at the fairly large university where I work. Ditto. We plan to use DHCPv6 rather than SLAAC for a variety of reasons. Those reasons should probably be

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Tue, 9 Jun 2015, Michael Thomas wrote: Wouldn't the right thing to do is have the provider support dhcp prefix delegation, and the tether can run dhcp for its clients? (or even slaac?) Do you think the people who insist on wanting to use DHCPv6 IA_NA will instead be fine with DHCPv6

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread Jon Bane
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 9:58 PM, Lorenzo Colitti lore...@colitti.com wrote: Ooo, that's fun, can I play too? BGP - RFC 4271 - DRAFT STANDARD USM for SNMPv3 - RFC 3414 - INTERNET STANDARD The difference being, my references were actually relevant to the discussion and a direct response to

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread Ca By
On Tuesday, June 9, 2015, Michael Thomas m...@mtcc.com wrote: On 06/09/2015 08:37 PM, Karl Auer wrote: On Tue, 2015-06-09 at 23:09 -0400, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: How does the device ask for a *second* DHCPv6'ed address for tethering or whatever? RFC 3315 says you just chuck in

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Tue, 9 Jun 2015, Jon Bane wrote: When I build something I want people to use, I tend to put in the features they need and want so they continue to use it. It is crystal clear here and in the bug post, that people need DHCPv6 on WiFi. We don't need your guiding hand to protect us from

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread Hugo Slabbert
On Wed 2015-Jun-10 12:01:52 +0900, Lorenzo Colitti lore...@colitti.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 3:20 AM, Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu wrote: Clients should support a verity of methods and let network operators choose the solution that fits the environment. The whole premise for not

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Tue, 9 Jun 2015, Chris Adams wrote: Android devices (Samsung and LG) upgraded to Lollipop, I no longer have functioning IPv6 on wifi. They connect and get an address (with privacy extensions even), but do not install an IPv6 default route. They can talk to local IPv6 devices, but not the

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 5577c6be.6020...@mtcc.com, Michael Thomas writes: On 06/09/2015 08:37 PM, Karl Auer wrote: On Tue, 2015-06-09 at 23:09 -0400, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: How does the device ask for a *second* DHCPv6'ed address for tethering or whatever? RFC 3315 says you just chuck in

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread Jon Bane
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 10:35 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se wrote: What would you find acceptable behaviour from a device that finds itself on a wifi network that only gives it a single DHCPv6 IA_NA ? That some apps silently stop working because 464XLAT doesn't work, that it throws up

Re: NANOG Digest, Vol 89, Issue 2

2015-06-09 Thread Ramy Hashish
Does anybody knows anything about AirTight networks and Meru?

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread Jon Bane
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 8:14 PM, Chris Adams c...@cmadams.net wrote: Once upon a time, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu valdis.kletni...@vt.edu said: On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 12:59:47 +1000, Karl Auer said: Hope the question doesn't make me look like an idiot, but why does using stateful DHCPv6 mean

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread Joel Maslak
Most APs don't support bridging, not enough addresses in the protocol (without enabling WDS or whatever modern versions of that are). On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Chris Adams c...@cmadams.net wrote: Once upon a time, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu valdis.kletni...@vt.edu said: On Wed, 10 Jun 2015

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 09 Jun 2015 22:14:54 -0500, Chris Adams said: Once upon a time, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu valdis.kletni...@vt.edu said: On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 12:59:47 +1000, Karl Auer said: Hope the question doesn't make me look like an idiot, but why does using stateful DHCPv6 mean having to go back

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread Joel Maslak
Of course I've been up too long, ignore the idiot (me). :) On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 9:37 PM, Joel Maslak jmas...@antelope.net wrote: Most APs don't support bridging, not enough addresses in the protocol (without enabling WDS or whatever modern versions of that are). On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread Lorenzo Colitti
On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Jon Bane j...@nnbfn.net wrote: DHCPv6 - RFC3315 - Category: Standards Track 464XLAT - RFC6877 - Category: Informational Ooo, that's fun, can I play too? BGP - RFC 4271 - DRAFT STANDARD USM for SNMPv3 - RFC 3414 - INTERNET STANDARD

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread Karl Auer
On Wed, 2015-06-10 at 11:48 +0900, Lorenzo Colitti wrote: With stateful DHCPv6 addressing, we're back to using NAT again. Hope the question doesn't make me look like an idiot, but why does using stateful DHCPv6 mean having to go back to NAT? Regards, K. --

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread Lorenzo Colitti
On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 3:20 AM, Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu wrote: Clients should support a verity of methods and let network operators choose the solution that fits the environment. The whole premise for not supporting DHCPv6 seems to be that mobile networks don't need it, but that totally

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread Lorenzo Colitti
On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 6:56 AM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: At the end of the day, I see Androids refusal to implement DHCPv6 as about the same level of stupidity as Apple’s refusal to implement 464XLAT in iOS. Based on the facts, you could could just as well say that Apple is trying

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 12:59:47 +1000, Karl Auer said: On Wed, 2015-06-10 at 11:48 +0900, Lorenzo Colitti wrote: With stateful DHCPv6 addressing, we're back to using NAT again. Hope the question doesn't make me look like an idiot, but why does using stateful DHCPv6 mean having to go back to

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu valdis.kletni...@vt.edu said: On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 12:59:47 +1000, Karl Auer said: Hope the question doesn't make me look like an idiot, but why does using stateful DHCPv6 mean having to go back to NAT? How does the device ask for a *second*

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread Karl Auer
On Tue, 2015-06-09 at 23:09 -0400, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: How does the device ask for a *second* DHCPv6'ed address for tethering or whatever? RFC 3315 says you just chuck in multiple IA_NA (or IA_TA) options. The server will respond with multiple addresses. And if a device makes a

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 11:14 PM, Chris Adams c...@cmadams.net wrote: Once upon a time, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu valdis.kletni...@vt.edu said: On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 12:59:47 +1000, Karl Auer said: Hope the question doesn't make me look like an idiot, but why does using stateful DHCPv6 mean

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

2015-06-09 Thread Michael Thomas
On 06/09/2015 08:37 PM, Karl Auer wrote: On Tue, 2015-06-09 at 23:09 -0400, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: How does the device ask for a *second* DHCPv6'ed address for tethering or whatever? RFC 3315 says you just chuck in multiple IA_NA (or IA_TA) options. The server will respond with