Re: DE-CIX vs Equinix

2015-08-03 Thread Marc Storck
On 03 Aug 2015, at 15:50, Colton Conor colton.co...@gmail.com wrote: How does DE-CIX work if you want to cross connect over the exchange to another provider in a different on-net datacenter of the exchange in the same metro market? I’m not sure, but you may be looking for the GlobePEER

Re: GoDaddy : DDoS : : Contact

2015-08-03 Thread Roland Dobbins
On 3 Aug 2015, at 21:19, Stephen Satchell wrote: And any half-awake server operator would have turned on SYNCOOKIES a long time ago. I hate to tell you this, but a) SYN-cookies aren't a perfect response, as servers don't have infinite resources, and b) stateful firewalls go down *all the

Re: ISPs/Carriers in LATA 138

2015-08-03 Thread Benjamin Hatton
I have Fiber / DOCSIS / EPON in some rural areas of LATA 138, Where exactly are you looking? feel free to respond off list. On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 6:52 PM, kb3ien+na...@databit7.com wrote: I'm looking for a solution to provide one-weekend per year access in a rural area 20 km outside

Re: [BULK] Verizon exiting California

2015-08-03 Thread Mike Hammett
Revision 7 (8/3/2006) That now explains why they were talking about ATM exchanges and DS3 international links... Speaking of Frontier peering... does anyone have a contact over there? They haven't responded to my e-mail. I didn't send more than one (I think) because I didn't want to be

ISPs/Carriers in LATA 138

2015-08-03 Thread kb3ien+nanog
I'm looking for a solution to provide one-weekend per year access in a rural area 20 km outside Binghamton NY, LATA 138 Can anyone provide any recomendations? Robin kb3ien

Re: Quakecon: Network Operations Center tour

2015-08-03 Thread tqr2813d376cjozqap1l
3. Aug 2015 21:38 by b...@debmi.com: The WiFi jammers have an interesting MO. They don't throw up static on the frequency, that would also block their own wifi. They spoof de-authentication packets. I've been looking for a way to detect this kind of jamming because my WiFi sucks and I live

Re: ISPs/Carriers in LATA 138

2015-08-03 Thread Keefe John
Try the local WISP. http://www.plexicomm.net/ Keefe On 8/3/2015 5:52 PM, kb3ien+na...@databit7.com wrote: I'm looking for a solution to provide one-weekend per year access in a rural area 20 km outside Binghamton NY, LATA 138 Can anyone provide any recomendations? Robin kb3ien

Re: Quakecon: Network Operations Center tour

2015-08-03 Thread Roland Dobbins
On 4 Aug 2015, at 4:38, Mr Bugs wrote: They don't throw up static on the frequency, that would also block their own wifi. They spoof de-authentication packets. Sure - I'm saying, I don't see this anywhere, is it possible most of this activity is on 2.4GHz and not 5GHz?

Re: Quakecon: Network Operations Center tour

2015-08-03 Thread Sam Thomas
Very interesting. I still have in ~/ a 6509 config I did for an early Quakecon (or some predecessor or similar event) as a favor for a friend in ~2003. The more things change... BTW, ISTR there's some dark fiber between Anatole and INFOMART. I'm sure there's somebody in the 'mart who could

Re: Quakecon: Network Operations Center tour

2015-08-03 Thread alvin nanog
hi mr bugs :-) On 08/03/15 at 05:38pm, Mr Bugs wrote: The WiFi jammers have an interesting MO. They don't throw up static on the frequency, that would also block their own wifi. They spoof de-authentication packets. I've been looking for a way to detect this kind of jamming because my WiFi

Re: Quakecon: Network Operations Center tour

2015-08-03 Thread Mr Bugs
The WiFi jammers have an interesting MO. They don't throw up static on the frequency, that would also block their own wifi. They spoof de-authentication packets. I've been looking for a way to detect this kind of jamming because my WiFi sucks and I live next to three hotels, what you get for

Re: Quakecon: Network Operations Center tour

2015-08-03 Thread Harald F. Karlsen
On 02.08.2015 23:36, Josh Hoppes wrote: We haven't tackled IPv6 yet since it adds complexity that our primary focus doesn't significantly benefit from yet since most games just don't support it. Our current table switches don't have an RA guard, and will probably require replacement to get ones

Re: Quakecon: Network Operations Center tour

2015-08-03 Thread Ethan
I help with an event that has a pretty decent sized lan party as well. We're not just focused on the lan party, more of a rock concerts - huge arcade - panels - lan party type event. It was a few years ago that a mincraft griefing team came and attacked the network internally. At the time

Re: Quakecon: Network Operations Center tour

2015-08-03 Thread Roland Dobbins
On 3 Aug 2015, at 21:58, Ethan wrote: In the end, one of the griefers friends went and told on them, and that's how they were discovered. Pretty much how it works on the general Internet, too, it seems. ; --- Roland Dobbins rdobb...@arbor.net

Re: Quakecon: Network Operations Center tour

2015-08-03 Thread Mike Hammett
Venue Internet is the bane of events. Crazy expensive. Almost as expensive as a laborer in Chicago to move your box from the truck to your booth. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com -

RE: [BULK] Verizon exiting California

2015-08-03 Thread Matthew Black
I ran a few Google searches and came across a trove of complaints against Frontier. Seems they are far worse than GTE/Verizon. On the few occasions I have called for FIOS support, always reached someone knowledgeable and helpful. Not looking forward to the changeover, as the new owners have to

Re: GoDaddy : DoS :: Contact

2015-08-03 Thread Jason LeBlanc
Thanks Mel. The ISP got back to me and has asked me to build a Juniper block list ACL for them so I am doing that now. //Jason From: Mel Beckman m...@beckman.orgmailto:m...@beckman.org Date: Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 5:56 PM To: Jason LeBlanc

Re: [BULK] Verizon exiting California

2015-08-03 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Matthew Black matthew.bl...@csulb.edu wrote: I ran a few Google searches and came across a trove of complaints against Frontier. Seems they are far worse than GTE/Verizon. On the few occasions I have called for FIOS support, always reached someone knowledgeable

Re: GoDaddy : DDoS : : Contact

2015-08-03 Thread Mel Beckman
John, What would be the point of spoofing the source IPs to be identical? You're just making the attack trivial to block. Plus you could never do any kind of TCP session attack, since you can't complete a handshake. I would have to call this sort of attack a LAAADDoS (Lame Attempt At A DDoS).

Re: GoDaddy : DDoS : : Contact

2015-08-03 Thread Roland Dobbins
On 3 Aug 2015, at 19:40, Mel Beckman wrote: What would be the point of spoofing the source IPs to be identical? You're just making the attack trivial to block. Attackers do strange things all the time. Most endpoint organizations don't have any way to detect/classify DDoS traffic, so

Re: GoDaddy : DDoS : : Contact

2015-08-03 Thread A . L . M . Buxey
Hi, What would be the point of spoofing the source IPs to be identical? You're just making the attack trivial to block. Plus you could never do any kind of TCP session attack, since you can't complete a handshake. I would have to call this sort of attack a LAAADDoS (Lame Attempt At A

Re: GoDaddy : DDoS :: Contact

2015-08-03 Thread Dovid Bender
Children! Regards, Dovid -Original Message- From: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu Sender: NANOG nanog-boun...@nanog.orgDate: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 00:20:23 To: tqr2813d376cjozqa...@tutanota.com Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: GoDaddy : DDoS :: Contact On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 03:58:31 -,

Re: GoDaddy : DDoS : : Contact

2015-08-03 Thread Stephen Satchell
On 08/03/2015 05:40 AM, Mel Beckman wrote: What would be the point of spoofing the source IPs to be identical? You're just making the attack trivial to block. Plus you could never do any kind of TCP session attack, since you can't complete a handshake. I would have to call this sort of attack a

Re: GoDaddy : DoS :: Contact

2015-08-03 Thread Alistair Mackenzie
Source based black holing would work in this case providing it was done at GoDaddy's edge. On 3 Aug 2015 01:58, Mel Beckman m...@beckman.org wrote: Blackholing isn't what you want. That will still permit his source IP into your network, and only blackhole replies from your network, so the

Re: GoDaddy : DoS :: Contact

2015-08-03 Thread Roland Dobbins
On 3 Aug 2015, at 20:28, Mel Beckman wrote: Blackholing works on destination address — it’s a route to null0. https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5635 --- Roland Dobbins rdobb...@arbor.net

Re: GoDaddy : DDoS : : Contact

2015-08-03 Thread Roland Dobbins
On 3 Aug 2015, at 21:00, Roland Dobbins wrote: due to DDoS exhaustion That should read 'state exhaustion', apologies. --- Roland Dobbins rdobb...@arbor.net

Re: GoDaddy : DoS :: Contact

2015-08-03 Thread Mel Beckman
I don’t see how. Blackholing works on destination address — it’s a route to null0. The source address isn’t considered and thus the traffic will still leave GoDaddy. GoDaddy could, I suppose, implement a policy route based on source address, but that’s really no different than an ACL. And it’s

Re: GoDaddy : DDoS : : Contact

2015-08-03 Thread Mel Beckman
But SYN floods are easily detected and deflected by all modern firewalls. If a handshake doesn’t complete within a certain time interval, the SYN is discarded. Many DDOS attacks are full-fledged TCP sessions. The zombies are used to simulate legitimate users, and because they’re coming from

Re: DE-CIX vs Equinix

2015-08-03 Thread Colton Conor
Charles, You mentioned to not use DE-CIX NYC pricing as a benchmark for Dallas, but it looks like DE-CIX has priced their Dallas ports, according to their website, at the same prices at NYC: https://www.de-cix.net/products-services/pricing/#c2374 PortSpeed/GbpsMRC1GE1US$ 57510GE10US$

Re: GoDaddy : DoS :: Contact

2015-08-03 Thread Roland Dobbins
On 3 Aug 2015, at 20:46, Mel Beckman wrote: 1. From the RFC itself, you by definition sacrifice the victims address: 3.1. ...While this does complete the attack in that the target address(es) are made unreachable, collateral damage is minimized. It may also be possible to move the host or

Re: DE-CIX vs Equinix

2015-08-03 Thread Mike Hammett
Usually on a distributed exchange, everyone on the same fabric is available at the same standard price. Local datacenter or the furthest datacenter, same price. Look at what happened in NYC. I'd expect something similar in Dallas, though I have no inside information behind that.

Re: GoDaddy : DDoS : : Contact

2015-08-03 Thread Stephen Satchell
On 08/03/2015 07:04 AM, Roland Dobbins wrote: On 3 Aug 2015, at 21:00, Roland Dobbins wrote: due to DDoS exhaustion That should read '[TCP] state exhaustion', apologies. And any half-awake server operator would have turned on SYNCOOKIES a long time ago.

Re: GoDaddy : DoS :: Contact

2015-08-03 Thread Roland Dobbins
On 3 Aug 2015, at 7:56, Mel Beckman wrote: BGP is no help in these situations, unless you use a BGP-based DDoS protection service. Anyone can set up S/RTBH on their transit-/peering-edge routers, even if they aren't using BGP for routing. Likewise flowspec, on routers which support it.

Re: DE-CIX vs Equinix

2015-08-03 Thread Mike Hammett
I'd expect that eventually DE-CIX will build into every Dallas datacenter as they have done in New York and Germany whereas Equinix is only available... in Equinix. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange

Re: GoDaddy : DoS :: Contact

2015-08-03 Thread Mel Beckman
There are two problems with Source-Based Remote Triggered Black Hole (S/RTBH): 1. From the RFC itself, you by definition sacrifice the victims address: 3.1. ...While this does complete the attack in that the target address(es) are made unreachable, collateral damage is minimized. It may

Re: DE-CIX vs Equinix

2015-08-03 Thread Colton Conor
Does DE-CIX usually go to market with at least some of the big content providers already on board? For example, will guys like Netflix, Google, and other CDN's more than likely be on the exchange starting day 1? How does DE-CIX work if you want to cross connect over the exchange to another

Re: GoDaddy : DDoS : : Contact

2015-08-03 Thread Roland Dobbins
On 3 Aug 2015, at 20:35, Mel Beckman wrote: But SYN floods are easily detected and deflected by all modern firewalls. If a handshake doesn’t complete within a certain time interval, the SYN is discarded. This is incorrect. I've seen a 20gb/sec stateful firewall taken down by a 3mb/sec

Re: Quakecon: Network Operations Center tour

2015-08-03 Thread alvin nanog
hi ethan On 08/03/15 at 10:58am, Ethan wrote: Getting bandwidth into the events is a pain. Huge venues are meant for large corporate events not lower budget cons and festivals. Venue pricing I believe is 750-1500$ per megabit. 100 megabit = $75,000 for the weekend. One year I rememeber

Re: Quakecon: Network Operations Center tour

2015-08-03 Thread mikea
On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 01:52:17PM -0700, alvin nanog wrote: hi ethan On 08/03/15 at 10:58am, Ethan wrote: Getting bandwidth into the events is a pain. Huge venues are meant for large corporate events not lower budget cons and festivals. Venue pricing I believe is 750-1500$ per

Re: Quakecon: Network Operations Center tour

2015-08-03 Thread Roland Dobbins
On 4 Aug 2015, at 4:03, mikea wrote: In the US, the FCC has ruled that wifi jammers violate one or more parts of the FCC Rules and Regs. I travel quite a bit worldwide, and I've never run into this. I run my portable AP on 5GHz, FWIW. --- Roland Dobbins