Exploits start against flaw that could hamstring huge swaths of Internet | Ars Technica

2015-08-04 Thread Jay Ashworth
Everyone got BIND updated? http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/08/exploits-start-against-flaw-that-could-hamstring-huge-swaths-of-internet/ -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: Exploits start against flaw that could hamstring huge swaths of Internet | Ars Technica

2015-08-04 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Tue, Aug 04, 2015 at 10:03:33AM -0400, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote a message of 6 lines which said: Everyone got BIND updated? For instance by replacing it with NSD or Unbound?

Re: Exploits start against flaw that could hamstring huge swaths of

2015-08-04 Thread Joe Greco
On Tue, Aug 04, 2015 at 10:03:33AM -0400, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote a message of 6 lines which said: Everyone got BIND updated? For instance by replacing it with NSD or Unbound? Or doing something better like not just replacing one evil with another, and instead moving to a

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2015-08-04 Thread Leonardo Oliveira Ortiz
So, you guys recommend replace Bind for another option ? -Mensagem original- De: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] Em nome de Joe Greco Enviada em: terça-feira, 4 de agosto de 2015 12:01 Para: Stephane Bortzmeyer Cc: nanog@nanog.org Assunto: Re: Exploits start against flaw that

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2015-08-04 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer bortzme...@nic.fr wrote: On Tue, Aug 04, 2015 at 10:03:33AM -0400, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote a message of 6 lines which said: Everyone got BIND updated? For instance by replacing it with NSD or Unbound? always great to jump

Re: RES: Exploits start against flaw that could hamstring huge swaths of

2015-08-04 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com wrote: With the (large) caveat that heterogenous networks are more subject to human error in many cases. coughautomate!/cough On Aug 4, 2015 9:25 AM, Joe Greco jgr...@ns.sol.net wrote: So, you guys recommend replace Bind for

Re: RES: Exploits start against flaw that could hamstring huge swaths of

2015-08-04 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:06:36 -, Leonardo Oliveira Ortiz said: So, you guys recommend replace Bind for another option ? The *good* recommendation is to get some onboard security clue, and learn procedures to mitigate the inevitable exploits against flaws in infrastructure software.

Re: RES: Exploits start against flaw that could hamstring huge swaths of

2015-08-04 Thread Scott Helms
Automation just means your mistake goes many more places more quickly. On Aug 4, 2015 9:38 AM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com wrote: With the (large) caveat that heterogenous networks are more subject to human

Re: Exploits start against flaw that could hamstring huge swaths of

2015-08-04 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Leonardo Oliveira Ortiz leonardo.or...@marisolsa.com wrote: So, you guys recommend replace Bind for another option ? The humorous thing is that the security researcher who showed the recent bind9 error (note: it isn't a vulnerability or a hack, it's just a way to

Re: RES: Exploits start against flaw that could hamstring huge swaths of

2015-08-04 Thread Joe Greco
So, you guys recommend replace Bind for another option ? No. Replacing one occasionally faulty product with another occasionally faulty product is foolish. There's no particular reason to think that another product will be impervious to code bugs. What I was suggesting was to use several

Re: RES: Exploits start against flaw that could hamstring huge swaths of

2015-08-04 Thread Scott Helms
With the (large) caveat that heterogenous networks are more subject to human error in many cases. On Aug 4, 2015 9:25 AM, Joe Greco jgr...@ns.sol.net wrote: So, you guys recommend replace Bind for another option ? No. Replacing one occasionally faulty product with another occasionally

Re: multipath tcp now in production use for linux based mobile devices

2015-08-04 Thread Geoffrey Keating
Darden, Patrick patrick.dar...@p66.com writes: So, obviously, MPTCP can cause problems with Stateful Firewalls (as in asymmetric routing, out of state packets, etc.). Cisco's take on how to deal with MPTCP is just as interesting as MPTCP itself is. ... It's not so much the statefulness of

Re: RES: Exploits start against flaw that could hamstring huge swaths

2015-08-04 Thread Baldur Norddahl
Den 04/08/2015 19.18 skrev Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com: On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Baldur Norddahl baldur.nordd...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 August 2015 at 18:48, Joe Greco jgr...@ns.sol.net wrote: However, the original point was that switching from BIND to Unbound or

AW: Mac compatible SFP+/XFP programmer

2015-08-04 Thread Jürgen Jaritsch
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Re: RES: Exploits start against flaw that could hamstring huge swaths of

2015-08-04 Thread Randy Bush
Automation just means your mistake goes many more places more quickly. and letting people keep poking at things that computers should be doing is... much worse. people do not have reliability and repeat-ability over time. i love the devops movement; operators discover that those computers

RE: [BULK] Verizon exiting California

2015-08-04 Thread Matthew Black
I don't live in a new suburban community with modern utilities. Well, the 50 year-old water main on my street was replaced about 10 years ago. We haven't suffered major flooding like UCLA experienced last year. My house was built in 1930. Much of that telco copper is pushing 70 years old or

Re: RES: Exploits start against flaw that could hamstring huge swaths of

2015-08-04 Thread Joel Maslak
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: i love the devops movement; operators discover that those computers can be programmed. wowzers! Maybe we can give them a new title. I'm thinking, System Programmer.

Re: RES: Exploits start against flaw that could hamstring huge swaths

2015-08-04 Thread Joe Greco
With the (large) caveat that heterogenous networks are more subject to human error in many cases. Indeed. Everything comes with tradeoffs. More intimate familiarity with the product and a uniformity of deployment strategy has made it more practical here to stick with BIND; an update is a

Re: RES: Exploits start against flaw that could hamstring huge swaths of

2015-08-04 Thread Scott Helms
I don't disagree, but automation usually protects against typing errors, it doesn't protect against incorrect configurations. Using multiple vendors or server software means that your people have to know all of the systems. There are many cases where, for example, a Cisco like CLI will make a

Re: Exploits start against flaw that could hamstring huge swaths of Internet | Ars Technica

2015-08-04 Thread Damian Menscher via NANOG
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org wrote: In message 9c2aca5a-755d-4fcf-8491-745a1f911...@puck.nether.net, Jared Mauch writes: I recommend using DNSDIST to balance traffic at a protocol level as you can h= ave implementation diversity on the backside.=20 I can

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2015-08-04 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com On Aug 4, 2015 9:38 AM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com wrote: With the (large) caveat that heterogenous networks are more subject to

Re: Exploits start against flaw that could hamstring huge swaths of Internet | Ars Technica

2015-08-04 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 9c2aca5a-755d-4fcf-8491-745a1f911...@puck.nether.net, Jared Mauch writes: I recommend using DNSDIST to balance traffic at a protocol level as you can h= ave implementation diversity on the backside.=20 I can send an example config out later for people. You can balance to bind N=

Re: Exploits start against flaw that could hamstring huge swaths of

2015-08-04 Thread Roland Dobbins
On 4 Aug 2015, at 23:21, Christopher Morrow wrote: and letting people keep poking at things that computers should be doing is... much worse. people do not have reliability and repeat-ability over time. I've personally never come across an accidental route hijack (of the subset of which I

Re: RES: Exploits start against flaw that could hamstring huge swaths

2015-08-04 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Baldur Norddahl baldur.nordd...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 August 2015 at 18:48, Joe Greco jgr...@ns.sol.net wrote: However, the original point was that switching from BIND to Unbound or other options is silly, because you're just trading one codebase for another,

Re: RES: Exploits start against flaw that could hamstring huge swaths

2015-08-04 Thread Baldur Norddahl
On 4 August 2015 at 18:48, Joe Greco jgr...@ns.sol.net wrote: However, the original point was that switching from BIND to Unbound or other options is silly, because you're just trading one codebase for another, and they all have bugs. It is equally silly to assume that all codebase are the

Re: [BULK] Verizon exiting California

2015-08-04 Thread Andrew Carey
On Aug 3, 2015, at 10:09, Matthew Black matthew.bl...@csulb.edu wrote: I ran a few Google searches and came across a trove of complaints against Frontier. Seems they are far worse than GTE/Verizon. On the few occasions I have called for FIOS support, always reached someone knowledgeable

Re: Exploits start against flaw that could hamstring huge swaths of Internet | Ars Technica

2015-08-04 Thread Joe Abley
Hi Jared, On 4 Aug 2015, at 12:00, Jared Mauch wrote: I recommend using DNSDIST to balance traffic at a protocol level as you can have implementation diversity on the backside. I can send an example config out later for people. You can balance to bind NSD and others all at the same time :-)

Re: RES: Exploits start against flaw that could hamstring huge swaths of

2015-08-04 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com wrote: Automation just means your mistake goes many more places more quickly. and letting people keep poking at things that computers should be doing is... much worse. people do not have reliability and repeat-ability over time.

Re: RES: Exploits start against flaw that could hamstring huge swaths of

2015-08-04 Thread alvin nanog
hi ya On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com wrote: With the (large) caveat that heterogenous networks are more subject to human error in many cases. coughautomate!/cough ... On 08/04/15 at 12:21pm, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 11:46

Re: RES: Exploits start against flaw that could hamstring huge swaths of

2015-08-04 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:54:53 -0400, Barry Shein said: Wow this thread went off-track in nanoseconds. So which bind versions are ok? This week's. pgpakL0r72_lt.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Exploits start against flaw that could hamstring huge swaths of

2015-08-04 Thread Joe Abley
On 4 Aug 2015, at 15:54, Barry Shein wrote: Wow this thread went off-track in nanoseconds. So which bind versions are ok? 9.10.2-P3 is marked current stable, and 9.9.7-P2 is marked current-stable ESV at: https://www.isc.org/downloads/ The bind-users is probably a place where this kind

Re: Exploits start against flaw that could hamstring huge swaths of Internet | Ars Technica

2015-08-04 Thread Jared Mauch
On Wed, Aug 05, 2015 at 02:39:18AM +1000, Mark Andrews wrote: In message 9c2aca5a-755d-4fcf-8491-745a1f911...@puck.nether.net, Jared Mauch writes: I recommend using DNSDIST to balance traffic at a protocol level as you can h= ave implementation diversity on the backside.=20 I can

Re: Exploits start against flaw that could hamstring huge swaths of Internet | Ars Technica

2015-08-04 Thread Jared Mauch
On Tue, Aug 04, 2015 at 01:48:56PM -0400, Joe Abley wrote: Hi Jared, On 4 Aug 2015, at 12:00, Jared Mauch wrote: I recommend using DNSDIST to balance traffic at a protocol level as you can have implementation diversity on the backside. I can send an example config out later for people.

Re: RES: Exploits start against flaw that could hamstring huge swaths of

2015-08-04 Thread Barry Shein
Wow this thread went off-track in nanoseconds. So which bind versions are ok? -b

RE: multipath tcp now in production use for linux based mobile devices

2015-08-04 Thread Darden, Patrick
So, obviously, MPTCP can cause problems with Stateful Firewalls (as in asymmetric routing, out of state packets, etc.). Cisco's take on how to deal with MPTCP is just as interesting as MPTCP itself is.

Re: Exploits start against flaw that could hamstring huge swaths of Internet | Ars Technica

2015-08-04 Thread Jared Mauch
I recommend using DNSDIST to balance traffic at a protocol level as you can have implementation diversity on the backside. I can send an example config out later for people. You can balance to bind NSD and others all at the same time :-) just move your SPoF Jared Mauch On Aug 4, 2015, at

Re: Mac compatible SFP+/XFP programmer

2015-08-04 Thread Eric Rosenberry
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DropBox peering issue in SF bay area ? Rare and Odd

2015-08-04 Thread Bob Evans
Anyone from dropbox please contact n...@fiberinternetcenter.com Multiple peering session - peering sessions are up/established - prefixes are received - but no website and customers complaining to us. Thank You Bob Evans CTO

Re: Exploits start against flaw that could hamstring huge swaths of Internet | Ars Technica

2015-08-04 Thread Randy Bush
As someone who once hosted TLD zones in a way that a query to a particular nameserver could be answered by either NSD or BIND9, my advice would be don't do that. You're setting yourself up for troubleshooting hell. for some folk, complexity is a career. i worked for circuitzilla for 15

Re: Exploits start against flaw that could hamstring huge swaths of Internet | Ars Technica

2015-08-04 Thread Jared Mauch
On Tue, Aug 04, 2015 at 12:00:32PM -0400, Jared Mauch wrote: I recommend using DNSDIST to balance traffic at a protocol level as you can have implementation diversity on the backside. Here's an example dnsdist config you might find helpful: This sends queries to the first two