Re: Note - ARIN Consultation on proposed Registration Services Agreement Now Open

2015-09-03 Thread Sandra Murphy
There’s been no comment on this announcement on this list, but there were a small handful of NANOGers who energetically discussed this on the arin-consult list starting mid-August. On the last day of the comment period (so you might have missed it), a detailed comment was submitted, which focus

Re: Whois.net down?

2015-09-03 Thread Brian Reichert
On Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 07:57:55PM +, Marcin Cieslak wrote: > whois.net is some site operated by NTT/Verio, > this domain tech contact seems to be: > > Tech Name: Verio Hostmaster > Tech Organization: > Tech Street: 8005 S. Chester Street Suite 200 > Tech City: Englewood > Tech State/Province

Re: Whois.net down?

2015-09-03 Thread Marcin Cieslak
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015, Brian Reichert wrote: > On Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 09:59:02PM +0700, David S. wrote: > > Hi Brian, > > > > I'm able to access https://whois.net, have you check the nameserver of > > numachi.com? > > Is the other domain use same authoritative DNS? > > I can access the web page.

Re: Whois.net down?

2015-09-03 Thread Brian Reichert
On Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 09:59:02PM +0700, David S. wrote: > Hi Brian, > > I'm able to access https://whois.net, have you check the nameserver of > numachi.com? > Is the other domain use same authoritative DNS? I can access the web page. When I use the page for certain domains, sometimes, I succe

Re: buffer bloat and packet pacing

2015-09-03 Thread Brett Frankenberger
On Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 05:48:00PM +0300, Saku Ytti wrote: > Hey Brett, > > > Here's a paper that shows you don't need buffers equal to > > bandwidth*delay to get near capacity: > > http://www.cs.bu.edu/~matta/Papers/hstcp-globecom04.pdf > > (I'm not endorsing it. Just pointing out it out as a dat

Whois.net down?

2015-09-03 Thread Brian Reichert
I'm trying to use https://www.whois.net/ to resolve info about several domains, including my own (NUMACHI.COM). For several domains (but not all, I get 'Error extracting data. No data available'. There's a 'please read' tag, but no text associated with it. Anyone know if they're having issues th

Re: buffer bloat and packet pacing

2015-09-03 Thread Saku Ytti
Hey Brett, > Here's a paper that shows you don't need buffers equal to > bandwidth*delay to get near capacity: > http://www.cs.bu.edu/~matta/Papers/hstcp-globecom04.pdf > (I'm not endorsing it. Just pointing out it out as a datapoint.) Quick glance makes me believe the S and D nodes are equal ba

Re: buffer bloat and packet pacing

2015-09-03 Thread Brett Frankenberger
On Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 01:04:34PM +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote: > On 03/09/2015 11:56, Saku Ytti wrote: > > 40GE server will flood the window as fast as it can, instead of > > limiting itself to 10Gbps, optimally it'll send at linerate. > > optimally, but tcp slow start will generally stop this fro

Re: udp 500 packets when users are web browsing

2015-09-03 Thread Oliver O'Boyle
That would do it. Almost certainly enforced by GPO in that case so at least it's easy to change if you need to. On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Robert Webb wrote: > Yes, we are looking at this now. > > Thanks for everyone's help. I think we are heading in the right direction > tracking this dow

Re: udp 500 packets when users are web browsing

2015-09-03 Thread Robert Webb
Yes, we are looking at this now. Thanks for everyone's help. I think we are heading in the right direction tracking this down. This just showed up in our monitoring and makes sense as we just brought up a new locked down domain. Robert On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:19:53 -0400 "Oliver O'Boyle" wr

Re: udp 500 packets when users are web browsing

2015-09-03 Thread Oliver O'Boyle
Precisely. On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Chuck Anderson wrote: > Sounds like Opportunistic Encryption. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunistic_encryption#Windows_OS > > On Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 09:53:46AM -0400, Robert Webb wrote: > > There is no VPN in the picture here. These are stra

Re: udp 500 packets when users are web browsing

2015-09-03 Thread Oliver O'Boyle
You can configure Windows to encrypt traffic based on protocol definitions. E.g., Use IPSEC to encrypt all traffic on port 80 between hosts X and hosts Y. It's possible that such a policy is in place locally on the workstations and/or servers and it's also possible that it's being enforced using G

Re: udp 500 packets when users are web browsing

2015-09-03 Thread Chuck Anderson
Sounds like Opportunistic Encryption. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunistic_encryption#Windows_OS On Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 09:53:46AM -0400, Robert Webb wrote: > There is no VPN in the picture here. These are straight workstations > on the network that the packets are coming from. > > Accor

Re: udp 500 packets when users are web browsing

2015-09-03 Thread Robert Webb
There is no VPN in the picture here. These are straight workstations on the network that the packets are coming from. According to a pcaket capture in wireshark, these are isakmp packets reaching out to host names of web sites that are being browsed. So destinations are sites like twitter, fac

Re: udp 500 packets when users are web browsing

2015-09-03 Thread Bjoern A. Zeeb
> On 03 Sep 2015, at 13:35 , Robert Webb wrote: > > We are seeing udp 500 packets being dropped at our firewall from user's > browsing sessions. These are users on a 2008 R2 AD setup with Windows 7. > > Source and destination ports are udp 500 and the the pattern of drops > directly correlate

udp 500 packets when users are web browsing

2015-09-03 Thread Robert Webb
We are seeing udp 500 packets being dropped at our firewall from user's browsing sessions. These are users on a 2008 R2 AD setup with Windows 7. Source and destination ports are udp 500 and the the pattern of drops directly correlate to the web browsing activity. We have confirmed this with tc

Re: buffer bloat and packet pacing

2015-09-03 Thread Saku Ytti
On 3 September 2015 at 15:04, Nick Hilliard wrote: > optimally, but tcp slow start will generally stop this from happening on > well behaved sending-side stacks so you send up ramping up quickly to path > rate rather than egress line rate from the sender side. This assumes network is congested a

Re: buffer bloat and packet pacing

2015-09-03 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 03/09/2015 11:56, Saku Ytti wrote: > 40GE server will flood the window as fast as it can, instead of > limiting itself to 10Gbps, optimally it'll send at linerate. optimally, but tcp slow start will generally stop this from happening on well behaved sending-side stacks so you send up ramping up

Re: buffer bloat and packet pacing

2015-09-03 Thread Saku Ytti
> only serialise them 10GE out, causing majority of that 375MB ending up > in the sender side switch/router buffers. s/sender/receiver/ -- ++ytti

buffer bloat and packet pacing

2015-09-03 Thread Saku Ytti
Hey, In past few years there's been lot of talk about reducing buffer depths, and many seem to think vendors are throwing memory on the chips for the fun of it. If we look at some particularly pathological case. Let's assume sender is CDN network with 40GE connected server and receiver is 10GE co