Re: Sign-On Letter to the Court in the FCC's Net Neutrality Case

[Eric Tykwinski]

I signed on as well, but why didn’t the EFF at least publish the letter to the 
list?
It was well written and laid out, even for politicians.  Personally, I would 
have included some VoIP stuff that’s well known about, but "que sera, sera”.  
The main point being if you want people to sign up, show your cards and let 
people make the business decision whether that will effect their present 
situation first.

Sincerely,

Eric Tykwinski
TrueNet, Inc.
P: 610-429-8300
F: 610-429-3222

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 6:23 PM, Rich Kulawiec  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:41:52AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>> Me too.  Be sure to actually read the Amicus brief - it's incredibly
>> well written and informative.
> 
> I've signed on as well and strongly concur with Miles' recommendation.
> 
> ---rsk

Re: Microsoft blocking mail

[Tei]

On 18 September 2015 at 04:48, Keith Medcalf  wrote:
>
>
> You mean to say that you have to enable blanket remote code execution 
> authority in order to submit a problem report to Microsoft?  What a crock of 
> crap.  Thus I will never recommend to anyone that they use Microsoft products 
> for anything whatsoever, especially not anything in the "Microsoft Cloud" 
> virus distribution system.
>
> Being blocked is probably a good thing ...


CGI forms that do the validation in the serverside are not up to
modern expectations*.  You want to do validation clientside.

Like everything, is a tradeoff.

This is how modern things are build :D

Something something something Gödel, Escher, Bach,  rendering a
document takes N cycles and can be calculate before hand.  Running a
program takes M cycles and can't be calculate before hand, M can be
bigger than 6 times the lifespan of the universe or be infinite ...



* is a social problem of expectations management.

-- 
--
ℱin del ℳensaje.

Re: VUDU thinks my network is out of the country

[Brett A Mansfield]

Just their regular support team you can call into.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Sep 17, 2015, at 11:43 AM, James Downs  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 08:46, Brett A Mansfield  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I need a good contact at VUDU. I have several customers that use it that 
>> cannot. They gave us a workaround where each and every individual customer 
>> needs to call in and get their IP unblocked, but they aren't unblocking them 
>> anymore.
> 
> Who were you talking to previously?
> 
> Cheers,
> -j

Weekly Routing Table Report

[Routing Analysis Role Account]

This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet
Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan.

The posting is sent to APOPS, NANOG, AfNOG, AusNOG, SANOG, PacNOG,
CaribNOG and the RIPE Routing Working Group.

Daily listings are sent to bgp-st...@lists.apnic.net

For historical data, please see http://thyme.rand.apnic.net.

If you have any comments please contact Philip Smith .

Routing Table Report   04:00 +10GMT Sat 19 Sep, 2015

Report Website: http://thyme.rand.apnic.net
Detailed Analysis:  http://thyme.rand.apnic.net/current/

Analysis Summary


BGP routing table entries examined:  563409
Prefixes after maximum aggregation (per Origin AS):  210444
Deaggregation factor:  2.68
Unique aggregates announced (without unneeded subnets):  274280
Total ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 51461
Prefixes per ASN: 10.95
Origin-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:   36646
Origin ASes announcing only one prefix:   16076
Transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:6399
Transit-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:166
Average AS path length visible in the Internet Routing Table:   4.5
Max AS path length visible:  45
Max AS path prepend of ASN ( 55644)  41
Prefixes from unregistered ASNs in the Routing Table:  1072
Unregistered ASNs in the Routing Table: 410
Number of 32-bit ASNs allocated by the RIRs:  11043
Number of 32-bit ASNs visible in the Routing Table:8416
Prefixes from 32-bit ASNs in the Routing Table:   31590
Number of bogon 32-bit ASNs visible in the Routing Table:11
Special use prefixes present in the Routing Table:1
Prefixes being announced from unallocated address space:427
Number of addresses announced to Internet:   2809006784
Equivalent to 167 /8s, 110 /16s and 10 /24s
Percentage of available address space announced:   75.9
Percentage of allocated address space announced:   75.9
Percentage of available address space allocated:  100.0
Percentage of address space in use by end-sites:   97.6
Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations:  186129

APNIC Region Analysis Summary
-

Prefixes being announced by APNIC Region ASes:   143038
Total APNIC prefixes after maximum aggregation:   39757
APNIC Deaggregation factor:3.60
Prefixes being announced from the APNIC address blocks:  150471
Unique aggregates announced from the APNIC address blocks:59807
APNIC Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:5093
APNIC Prefixes per ASN:   29.54
APNIC Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix:   1205
APNIC Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:893
Average APNIC Region AS path length visible:4.4
Max APNIC Region AS path length visible: 38
Number of APNIC region 32-bit ASNs visible in the Routing Table:   1625
Number of APNIC addresses announced to Internet:  752460032
Equivalent to 44 /8s, 217 /16s and 161 /24s
Percentage of available APNIC address space announced: 87.9

APNIC AS Blocks4608-4864, 7467-7722, 9216-10239, 17408-18431
(pre-ERX allocations)  23552-24575, 37888-38911, 45056-46079, 55296-56319,
   58368-59391, 63488-64098, 131072-135580
APNIC Address Blocks 1/8,  14/8,  27/8,  36/8,  39/8,  42/8,  43/8,
49/8,  58/8,  59/8,  60/8,  61/8, 101/8, 103/8,
   106/8, 110/8, 111/8, 112/8, 113/8, 114/8, 115/8,
   116/8, 117/8, 118/8, 119/8, 120/8, 121/8, 122/8,
   123/8, 124/8, 125/8, 126/8, 133/8, 150/8, 153/8,
   163/8, 171/8, 175/8, 180/8, 182/8, 183/8, 202/8,
   203/8, 210/8, 211/8, 218/8, 219/8, 220/8, 221/8,
   222/8, 223/8,

ARIN Region Analysis Summary


Prefixes being announced by ARIN Region ASes:179843
Total ARIN prefixes after maximum aggregation:88200
ARIN Deaggregation factor: 2.04
Prefixes being announced from the ARIN address blocks:   182830
Unique aggregates announced from the ARIN address blocks: 86224
ARIN Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:16566
ARIN Prefixes per 

Re: IP's with jitter/packet loss and very far away

[mikea]

On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 11:42:49AM -0400, Dovid Bender wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am working on a presentation and looking to create samples of what a
> trace should not look like? Anyone have IP's that I can trace from the US
> or UK that will show
> 1) jitter
> 2) packet loss
> 3) very far away (perhaps an IP on a sat. link). Pref over 2000 ms

www.gov.mg shows fairly long ping times (especially with 1kB payload), a fair
amount of jitter, and some loss. It's not like pinging something at the D/E of
a really bad link, but I wouldn't want to push X graphics over it. 

-- 
Mike Andrews, W5EGO
mi...@mikea.ath.cx
Tired old sysadmin 

Re: high latency on West Coast?

[Charles van Niman]

Hmmm, I am seeing about 20ms from a VPS in Seattle, do you happen to
have a trace of the path with this issue?

/Charles

On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Florin Andrei  wrote:
> I'm seeing 250 ms between California and Oregon. Not just AWS, but also
> between, say, Comcast and AWS.
>
> Latency from other locations, such as between N. Virginia and Oregon, is
> much lower, about 72 ms in my tests.
>
> Anyone else experiencing these issues along the west coast?
>
> --
> Florin Andrei
> http://florin.myip.org/

high latency on West Coast?

[Florin Andrei]

I'm seeing 250 ms between California and Oregon. Not just AWS, but also 
between, say, Comcast and AWS.


Latency from other locations, such as between N. Virginia and Oregon, is 
much lower, about 72 ms in my tests.


Anyone else experiencing these issues along the west coast?

--
Florin Andrei
http://florin.myip.org/

Re: high latency on West Coast?

[Florin Andrei]

On 2015-09-18 13:20, Charles van Niman wrote:

Hmmm, I am seeing about 20ms from a VPS in Seattle, do you happen to
have a trace of the path with this issue?


From my laptop in San Jose to an ELB in AWS / Oregon:

  1.|-- 192.168.1.10.0%10   10.6   6.0   1.0  17.1   
5.2
  2.|-- 10.1.10.1  0.0%103.5  12.7   2.0  60.8  
18.2
  3.|-- c-98-207-128-1.hsd1.ca.co  0.0%10   27.5  19.8   6.0  29.1   
7.3
  4.|-- te-0-2-0-7-sur04.sanjose.  0.0%10   11.6  14.5  10.2  28.4   
5.7
  5.|-- te-0-6-0-6-sur03.sanjose.  0.0%109.9  17.2   9.9  38.2   
8.7
  6.|-- he-0-3-0-2-ar01.santaclar  0.0%10   16.0  20.1  11.8  35.2   
8.0
  7.|-- ???   100.0100.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   
0.0
  8.|-- he-0-11-0-1-pe02.529bryan  0.0%10   21.4  21.7  10.8  43.4  
10.4
  9.|-- gtt-cr01.losangeles.ca.ib  0.0%10   10.8  18.5  10.8  40.4   
8.8
 10.|-- 205.251.229.32 0.0%10  204.7 216.3 204.7 236.7  
10.2
 11.|-- ???   100.0100.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   
0.0
 12.|-- ???   100.0100.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   
0.0
 13.|-- ???   100.0100.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   
0.0
 14.|-- 27.0.0.255 0.0%10  208.0 217.5 201.1 300.2  
30.1
 15.|-- ???   100.0100.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   
0.0
 16.|-- 205.251.225.2150.0%10  205.6 217.6 200.5 302.2  
30.1
 17.|-- 205.251.232.72 0.0% 9  208.6 219.5 203.2 259.8  
20.1
 18.|-- 205.251.232.2010.0% 9  216.6 225.5 206.3 254.8  
15.5
 19.|-- 205.251.230.1270.0% 8  201.0 212.5 201.0 225.1   
7.3
 20.|-- ???   100.0 80.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   
0.0



  1.|-- 192.168.1.10.0%108.8  14.2   0.9  66.2  
19.2
  2.|-- 10.1.10.1  0.0%107.1  16.7   1.4  72.0  
20.7
  3.|-- 98.207.128.1   0.0%10   13.6  19.6  13.6  30.4   
5.4
  4.|-- 162.151.30.29  0.0%10   13.3  24.9   9.2  97.9  
26.8
  5.|-- 162.151.79.1   0.0%10   56.5  27.4  11.9  56.5  
13.6
  6.|-- 68.87.192.173  0.0%10   13.8  21.1   9.9  45.1  
11.2
  7.|-- ???   100.0100.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   
0.0
  8.|-- 68.86.86.146   0.0%10   14.3  20.0  13.5  38.0   
7.6
  9.|-- 66.208.229.30  0.0%10   15.9  19.4  10.1  40.5   
9.2
 10.|-- 205.251.229.3210.0%10  213.0 245.7 208.2 377.9  
53.2
 11.|-- ???   100.0100.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   
0.0
 12.|-- ???   100.0100.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   
0.0
 13.|-- ???   100.0100.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   
0.0
 14.|-- 27.0.0.255 0.0%10  220.0 234.2 207.6 335.0  
39.5
 15.|-- ???   100.0100.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   
0.0
 16.|-- 205.251.225.2150.0%10  208.3 226.3 206.7 276.6  
21.8
 17.|-- 205.251.232.72 0.0% 9  210.6 216.2 204.1 237.7  
12.5
 18.|-- 205.251.232.2010.0% 9  236.1 232.5 205.8 261.2  
18.3
 19.|-- 205.251.230.1270.0% 8  206.1 233.2 206.1 287.3  
24.8
 20.|-- ???   100.0 80.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   
0.0



--
Florin Andrei
http://florin.myip.org/

Re: IP's with jitter/packet loss and very far away

[Bart Smit]

Here is an IP tunneled over a 3G service in the UK: 37.26.225.245

-Bart

On 18 Sep 2015, at 18:06, Tyler Applebaum  wrote:

I was just kidding anyway. This is a 10gig Voxel IP: 80.249.209.187

No loss or anything, but it is in the EU, ~ 155ms latency for me on US West 
coast.

From: Dovid Bender [mailto:do...@telecurve.com]
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 8:54 AM
To: Tyler Applebaum 
Cc: NANOG 
Subject: Re: IP's with jitter/packet loss and very far away

Any specific IP? I don't want this to turn into an ISP bashing session..

On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Tyler Applebaum 
> wrote:
Anything on Integra's network.

-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On 
Behalf Of Dovid Bender
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 8:43 AM
To: NANOG >
Subject: IP's with jitter/packet loss and very far away

Hi,

I am working on a presentation and looking to create samples of what a trace 
should not look like? Anyone have IP's that I can trace from the US or UK that 
will show
1) jitter
2) packet loss
3) very far away (perhaps an IP on a sat. link). Pref over 2000 ms

TIA.

Dovid
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Re: high latency on West Coast?

[Justin Parker]

32ms via at

Re: high latency on West Coast?

[Florin Andrei]

I've asked Runscope (a monitoring service we're using for a few things, 
with locations in AWS and Rackspace), and they've confirmed my findings 
- there's unusually high latency somewhere around the AWS facility in 
Oregon, started last night, but they say it's "getting better".


--
Florin Andrei
http://florin.myip.org/

Re: high latency on West Coast?

[Tim Howe]

On Fri, 18 Sep 2015 11:50:23 -0700
Florin Andrei  wrote:

> I'm seeing 250 ms between California and Oregon. Not just AWS, but also 
> between, say, Comcast and AWS.
> 
> Latency from other locations, such as between N. Virginia and Oregon, is 
> much lower, about 72 ms in my tests.
> 
> Anyone else experiencing these issues along the west coast?
> 

Not sure if related to what you are seeing, but I do know there
is a BPA fiber cut.  It is apparently to do with some towers on an
island in the Columbia river.  I heard ETR was evening on Saturday.  It
sounded like a complicated repair.

--TimH

Re: high latency on West Coast?

[andrew]

L3 fiber cut .


-andrew Original message 
From: Florin Andrei  
Date: 09/18/2015  5:37 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: nanog@nanog.org 
Subject: Re: high latency on West Coast? 

I've asked Runscope (a monitoring service we're using for a few things, 
with locations in AWS and Rackspace), and they've confirmed my findings 
- there's unusually high latency somewhere around the AWS facility in 
Oregon, started last night, but they say it's "getting better".

-- 
Florin Andrei
http://florin.myip.org/

The Cidr Report

[cidr-report]

This report has been generated at Fri Sep 18 21:14:54 2015 AEST.
The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router
and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table.

Check http://www.cidr-report.org/2.0 for a current version of this report.

Recent Table History
Date  PrefixesCIDR Agg
11-09-15571301  310385
12-09-15571748  310189
13-09-15571349  309492
14-09-15571125  309862
15-09-15570953  310306
16-09-15571039  310278
17-09-15571575  309661
18-09-15571458  309739


AS Summary
 51736  Number of ASes in routing system
 20513  Number of ASes announcing only one prefix
  5604  Largest number of prefixes announced by an AS
AS4538 : ERX-CERNET-BKB China Education and Research Network 
Center,CN
  121035264  Largest address span announced by an AS (/32s)
AS4134 : CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street,CN


Aggregation Summary
The algorithm used in this report proposes aggregation only
when there is a precise match using the AS path, so as 
to preserve traffic transit policies. Aggregation is also
proposed across non-advertised address space ('holes').

 --- 18Sep15 ---
ASnumNetsNow NetsAggr  NetGain   % Gain   Description

Table 572276   309636   26264045.9%   All ASes

AS22773 3189  174 301594.5%   ASN-CXA-ALL-CCI-22773-RDC -
   Cox Communications Inc.,US
AS4538  5604 2807 279749.9%   ERX-CERNET-BKB China Education
   and Research Network
   Center,CN
AS17974 2708   90 261896.7%   TELKOMNET-AS2-AP PT
   Telekomunikasi Indonesia,ID
AS39891 2474   14 246099.4%   ALJAWWALSTC-AS Saudi Telecom
   Company JSC,SA
AS7545  2941  641 230078.2%   TPG-INTERNET-AP TPG Telecom
   Limited,AU
AS6389  2695  483 221282.1%   BELLSOUTH-NET-BLK -
   BellSouth.net Inc.,US
AS28573 2261  305 195686.5%   NET Serviços de Comunicação
   S.A.,BR
AS9394  2102  207 189590.2%   CTTNET China TieTong
   Telecommunications
   Corporation,CN
AS3356  2538  749 178970.5%   LEVEL3 - Level 3
   Communications, Inc.,US
AS4766  3005 1276 172957.5%   KIXS-AS-KR Korea Telecom,KR
AS10620 3372 1648 172451.1%   Telmex Colombia S.A.,CO
AS9808  1601   81 152094.9%   CMNET-GD Guangdong Mobile
   Communication Co.Ltd.,CN
AS4755  2045  546 149973.3%   TATACOMM-AS TATA
   Communications formerly VSNL
   is Leading ISP,IN
AS6983  1736  245 149185.9%   ITCDELTA - Earthlink, Inc.,US
AS20115 1882  410 147278.2%   CHARTER-NET-HKY-NC - Charter
   Communications,US
AS9498  1386  118 126891.5%   BBIL-AP BHARTI Airtel Ltd.,IN
AS18566 2169  975 119455.0%   MEGAPATH5-US - MegaPath
   Corporation,US
AS4323  1591  406 118574.5%   TWTC - tw telecom holdings,
   inc.,US
AS38285 1170   18 115298.5%   M2TELECOMMUNICATIONS-AU M2
   Telecommunications Group
   Ltd,AU
AS22561 1373  267 110680.6%   CENTURYLINK-LEGACY-LIGHTCORE -
   CenturyTel Internet Holdings,
   Inc.,US
AS7552  1414  341 107375.9%   VIETEL-AS-AP Viettel
   Corporation,VN
AS4812  1575  524 105166.7%   CHINANET-SH-AP China Telecom
   (Group),CN
AS7303  1562  520 104266.7%   Telecom Argentina S.A.,AR
AS4808  1544  515 102966.6%   CHINA169-BJ CNCGROUP IP
   network China169 Beijing
   Province Network,CN
AS8151  1840  818 102255.5%   Uninet S.A. de C.V.,MX
AS38197 1451  437 101469.9%   SUNHK-DATA-AS-AP Sun Network
   (Hong Kong) Limited,HK
AS8402 

Re: Sign-On Letter to the Court in the FCC's Net Neutrality Case

[Rich Kulawiec]

On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:41:52AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Me too.  Be sure to actually read the Amicus brief - it's incredibly
> well written and informative.

I've signed on as well and strongly concur with Miles' recommendation.

---rsk

Re: high latency on West Coast?

[Keith Stokes]

I have a SmokePing machine sitting in AWS Oregon looking at a few of my sites. 
It shows a bunch of ugliness starting around midnight Central and smoothing out 
but still with higher latency continuing to some sites. The same site is 
showing ugliness in the last hour. 

--

Keith Stokes

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 4:39 PM, Florin Andrei  wrote:
> 
> I've asked Runscope (a monitoring service we're using for a few things, with 
> locations in AWS and Rackspace), and they've confirmed my findings - there's 
> unusually high latency somewhere around the AWS facility in Oregon, started 
> last night, but they say it's "getting better".
> 
> -- 
> Florin Andrei
> http://florin.myip.org/

BGP Update Report

[cidr-report]

BGP Update Report
Interval: 10-Sep-15 -to- 17-Sep-15 (7 days)
Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS131072

TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS
Rank ASNUpds %  Upds/PfxAS-Name
 1 - AS9829   180449  3.6% 124.7 -- BSNL-NIB National Internet 
Backbone,IN
 2 - AS38197  150458  3.0% 103.8 -- SUNHK-DATA-AS-AP Sun Network 
(Hong Kong) Limited,HK
 3 - AS22059  118544  2.4%   29636.0 -- -Reserved AS-,ZZ
 4 - AS21669  114859  2.3%   22971.8 -- NJ-STATEWIDE-LIBRARY-NETWORK - 
New Jersey State Library,US
 5 - AS370961634  1.2%2282.7 -- NET-CITY-SA - City of San 
Antonio,US
 6 - AS28   56212  1.1%   56212.0 -- PIRUM-AS Pirum Systems 
Limited,GB
 7 - AS199367   44702  0.9%   44702.0 -- AS_GBP Globe Business 
Publishing Limited,GB
 8 - AS37473   40953  0.8%   20476.5 -- TELESOM,SO
 9 - AS131090   38159  0.8%2725.6 -- CAT-IDC-4BYTENET-AS-AP 
 CAT TELECOM Public Company Ltd,CAT
,TH
10 - AS134438   33134  0.7%   33134.0 -- AIRAAIFUL-AS-AP Aira & Aiful 
Public Company Limited,TH
11 - AS840232573  0.7%  29.4 -- CORBINA-AS OJSC "Vimpelcom",RU
12 - AS919831464  0.6%  38.4 -- KAZTELECOM-AS JSC 
Kazakhtelecom,KZ
13 - AS45899   31349  0.6%  48.5 -- VNPT-AS-VN VNPT Corp,VN
14 - AS30295   31282  0.6%7820.5 -- 2ICSYSTEMSINC - 2iC Systems 
Inc.,CA
15 - AS12389   30637  0.6%  79.2 -- ROSTELECOM-AS PJSC Rostelecom,RU
16 - AS56636   28604  0.6%   28604.0 -- ASVEDARU VEDA Ltd.,RU
17 - AS800127375  0.5%1710.9 -- NET-ACCESS-CORP - Net Access 
Corporation,US
18 - AS10620   27251  0.5%   8.8 -- Telmex Colombia S.A.,CO
19 - AS815124232  0.5%  16.7 -- Uninet S.A. de C.V.,MX
20 - AS31148   24141  0.5%  22.8 -- FREENET-AS Freenet Ltd.,UA


TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS (Updates per announced prefix)
Rank ASNUpds %  Upds/PfxAS-Name
 1 - AS28   56212  1.1%   56212.0 -- PIRUM-AS Pirum Systems 
Limited,GB
 2 - AS199367   44702  0.9%   44702.0 -- AS_GBP Globe Business 
Publishing Limited,GB
 3 - AS134438   33134  0.7%   33134.0 -- AIRAAIFUL-AS-AP Aira & Aiful 
Public Company Limited,TH
 4 - AS22059  118544  2.4%   29636.0 -- -Reserved AS-,ZZ
 5 - AS56636   28604  0.6%   28604.0 -- ASVEDARU VEDA Ltd.,RU
 6 - AS21669  114859  2.3%   22971.8 -- NJ-STATEWIDE-LIBRARY-NETWORK - 
New Jersey State Library,US
 7 - AS37473   40953  0.8%   20476.5 -- TELESOM,SO
 8 - AS200671   18431  0.4%   18431.0 -- SKOK-JAWORZNO SKOK Jaworzno,PL
 9 - AS476808945  0.2%8945.0 -- NHCS EOBO Ltd T/A BBnet,IE
10 - AS404937875  0.2%7875.0 -- FACILITYSOURCEINC - 
FacilitySource,US
11 - AS30295   31282  0.6%7820.5 -- 2ICSYSTEMSINC - 2iC Systems 
Inc.,CA
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Re: high latency on West Coast?

[alvin nanog]

hi andrei

On 09/18/15 at 11:50am, Florin Andrei wrote:
> I'm seeing 250 ms between California and Oregon. Not just AWS, but also
> between, say, Comcast and AWS.
> 
> Latency from other locations, such as between N. Virginia and Oregon, is
> much lower, about 72 ms in my tests.
> 
> Anyone else experiencing these issues along the west coast?
 
amazon seems confused

from Reno# traceroute 205.251.230.127
-
traceroute to 205.251.230.127 (205.251.230.127), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
 1  ... deleted ...
 2  * * *
 3  rno-core0-ge.greatbasin.net (207.228.35.136)  10.863 ms  12.237 ms  13.611 
ms
 4  67.138.231.149 (67.138.231.149)  14.963 ms  16.372 ms  17.719 ms
 5  paix01-sfo4.amazon.com (198.32.176.36)  21.914 ms  23.259 ms  26.048 ms
 6  * * *
 7  * * *
 8  * * *
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10  * * *
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Re: Transit Options in the UK?

[Max Tulyev]

It seems some time if you want a good uplink you have to rent a L2
channel to another country for that ;) So that can be an option too.

On 17.09.15 23:49, Gary T. Giesen wrote:
> I have a customer who's trying to decide whether to renew their existing
> transit contract or not for a POP they have in the UK and wondering what's
> good for transit options out there.
> 
> Looking for:
> 
> - Good peering/reachability to other networks (I've already started perusing
> the LINX peer list)
> - Decent BGP community set (at a minimum RTBH and local pref, obviously the
> richer the better)
> - v6 support
> - Own the last mile a bonus
> 
> Can anyone offer any recommendations?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> GTG
> 
> 

Re: Transit Options in the UK?

[James Bensley]

On 17 September 2015 at 21:49, Gary T. Giesen  wrote:
> I have a customer who's trying to decide whether to renew their existing
> transit contract or not for a POP they have in the UK and wondering what's
> good for transit options out there.
>
> Looking for:
>
> - Good peering/reachability to other networks (I've already started perusing
> the LINX peer list)
> - Decent BGP community set (at a minimum RTBH and local pref, obviously the
> richer the better)
> - v6 support
> - Own the last mile a bonus
>
> Can anyone offer any recommendations?
>
> Cheers,
>
> GTG


Hi Gary,

Are you after full transit or UK/Europe only?

For full transit all the big carriers are in most of the major UK PoPs
(it would be handy if you mentioned the PoP name!). Just look on each
carriers website and check their PoP list. Most major teir 1s meet
your requirements, tier 2's I've seen that meet youre requirements
with present in the UK are Hibernia, IIX/IXReach/Allegro, Init7 etc.

If you want a UK or European view only, I know networks like Enta
which are well peered offer their European partial transit view for
less than the cost of a full table feed. I'm sure there are others
too.

+1 for Chris's advice, reach out on UKNOF.

Cheers,
James.

Re: Microsoft blocking mail

[Marcin Cieslak]

On Fri, 18 Sep 2015, Tei wrote:

> On 18 September 2015 at 04:48, Keith Medcalf  wrote:
> >
> > Being blocked is probably a good thing ...
> 
> 
> CGI forms that do the validation in the serverside are not up to
> modern expectations*.  You want to do validation clientside.

If you do client-side and no server-side, you have a huge security problem.

~Marcin

Re: Transit Options in the UK?

[Rod Beck]

Its Layer 3 network now includes the lowest latency route across the Atlantic. 
Our new cable system: 
http://www.hibernianetworks.com/corp/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Hibernia_Express_Financial_FINAL.pdf.

Roderick Beck
Sales - Europe and the Americas
Hibernia Networks
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Re: Transit Options in the UK?

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Suggestion Hibernia Networks ?


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom


- Original Message -
> From: "Gary T. Giesen" 
> To: "nanog list" 
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 4:49:53 PM
> Subject: Transit Options in the UK?

> I have a customer who's trying to decide whether to renew their existing
> transit contract or not for a POP they have in the UK and wondering what's
> good for transit options out there.
> 
> Looking for:
> 
> - Good peering/reachability to other networks (I've already started perusing
> the LINX peer list)
> - Decent BGP community set (at a minimum RTBH and local pref, obviously the
> richer the better)
> - v6 support
> - Own the last mile a bonus
> 
> Can anyone offer any recommendations?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> GTG

Re: IP's with jitter/packet loss and very far away

[A . L . M . Buxey]

Hi,

> my own experience is the misinterpretation of the above properties in
> traceroute is pathological to the point of making it useless in the
> hands of novices...

correct. you should be looking at the output of other data transit systems
such as iperf, bwctl etc - thats why such tools as PerfSONAR exist...allowing
you to find the real problems in your IP path

alan

Re: IP's with jitter/packet loss and very far away

[Jake Mertel]

Expanding on this a little further, you could use this tool + some virtual
machines and static routes to simulate just about any conditions you
wanted.



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On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Keith Stokes  wrote:

> There are also plenty of simulators to create what you want. This one
> looks pretty useful:
>
> http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/networking/netem
>
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:54 AM, Neill > wrote:
>
> Use probably any coffee shop’s wireless network to anyone any you’ll get
> that most of the time.
>
>
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:42 AM, Dovid Bender > wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I am working on a presentation and looking to create samples of what a
> trace should not look like? Anyone have IP's that I can trace from the US
> or UK that will show
> 1) jitter
> 2) packet loss
> 3) very far away (perhaps an IP on a sat. link). Pref over 2000 ms
>
> TIA.
>
> Dovid
>
>
> ---
>
> Keith Stokes
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---
>
> Keith Stokes
>
>
>
>
>

Re: IP's with jitter/packet loss and very far away

[Dovid Bender]

Tracing from the out side wont show anything as the external IP will be
good. I need something perhaps on a sat link.


On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Chuck Church 
wrote:

> Any hotel wi-fi around 7PM local time.
>
> Chuck
>
>
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:42 AM, Dovid Bender > wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I am working on a presentation and looking to create samples of what a
> trace should not look like? Anyone have IP's that I can trace from the US
> or UK that will show
> 1) jitter
> 2) packet loss
> 3) very far away (perhaps an IP on a sat. link). Pref over 2000 ms
>
> TIA.
>
> Dovid
>
>
>
>
>

Re: IP's with jitter/packet loss and very far away

[joel jaeggli]

On 9/18/15 9:04 AM, Chuck Church wrote:
> Any hotel wi-fi around 7PM local time.
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:42 AM, Dovid Bender 
> > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am working on a presentation and looking to create samples of what a trace 
> should not look like? Anyone have IP's that I can trace from the US or UK 
> that will show
> 1) jitter
> 2) packet loss
> 3) very far away (perhaps an IP on a sat. link). Pref over 2000 ms


https://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog47/presentations/Sunday/RAS_Traceroute_N47_Sun.pdf

my own experience is the misinterpretation of the above properties in
traceroute is pathological to the point of making it useless in the
hands of novices...

you shouldn't be looking for jitter in traceroute, because it's not
measuring the forwarding plane it's measuring the control plane.

intermediate loss is mostly meaningless, unless it cascades, in which
case it may have meaning but maybe not.

> TIA.
> 
> Dovid
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 




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RE: IP's with jitter/packet loss and very far away

[Tyler Applebaum]

Anything on Integra's network.

-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Dovid Bender
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 8:43 AM
To: NANOG 
Subject: IP's with jitter/packet loss and very far away

Hi,

I am working on a presentation and looking to create samples of what a trace 
should not look like? Anyone have IP's that I can trace from the US or UK that 
will show
1) jitter
2) packet loss
3) very far away (perhaps an IP on a sat. link). Pref over 2000 ms

TIA.

Dovid
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Re: IP's with jitter/packet loss and very far away

[Keith Stokes]

There are also plenty of simulators to create what you want. This one looks 
pretty useful:

http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/networking/netem

On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:54 AM, Neill 
> wrote:

Use probably any coffee shop’s wireless network to anyone any you’ll get that 
most of the time.


On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:42 AM, Dovid Bender 
> wrote:

Hi,

I am working on a presentation and looking to create samples of what a
trace should not look like? Anyone have IP's that I can trace from the US
or UK that will show
1) jitter
2) packet loss
3) very far away (perhaps an IP on a sat. link). Pref over 2000 ms

TIA.

Dovid


---

Keith Stokes






---

Keith Stokes

IP's with jitter/packet loss and very far away

[Dovid Bender]

Hi,

I am working on a presentation and looking to create samples of what a
trace should not look like? Anyone have IP's that I can trace from the US
or UK that will show
1) jitter
2) packet loss
3) very far away (perhaps an IP on a sat. link). Pref over 2000 ms

TIA.

Dovid

Re: IP's with jitter/packet loss and very far away

[Alistair Mackenzie]

Comcast?

On 18 September 2015 at 16:42, Dovid Bender  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am working on a presentation and looking to create samples of what a
> trace should not look like? Anyone have IP's that I can trace from the US
> or UK that will show
> 1) jitter
> 2) packet loss
> 3) very far away (perhaps an IP on a sat. link). Pref over 2000 ms
>
> TIA.
>
> Dovid
>

Re: IP's with jitter/packet loss and very far away

[Dovid Bender]

Any specific IP? I don't want this to turn into an ISP bashing session..

On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Tyler Applebaum 
wrote:

> Anything on Integra's network.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Dovid Bender
> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 8:43 AM
> To: NANOG 
> Subject: IP's with jitter/packet loss and very far away
>
> Hi,
>
> I am working on a presentation and looking to create samples of what a
> trace should not look like? Anyone have IP's that I can trace from the US
> or UK that will show
> 1) jitter
> 2) packet loss
> 3) very far away (perhaps an IP on a sat. link). Pref over 2000 ms
>
> TIA.
>
> Dovid
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Re: IP's with jitter/packet loss and very far away

[Keith Stokes]

Use probably any coffee shop’s wireless network to anyone any you’ll get that 
most of the time.


On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:42 AM, Dovid Bender 
> wrote:

Hi,

I am working on a presentation and looking to create samples of what a
trace should not look like? Anyone have IP's that I can trace from the US
or UK that will show
1) jitter
2) packet loss
3) very far away (perhaps an IP on a sat. link). Pref over 2000 ms

TIA.

Dovid


---

Keith Stokes

RE: IP's with jitter/packet loss and very far away

[Tyler Applebaum]

I was just kidding anyway. This is a 10gig Voxel IP: 80.249.209.187

No loss or anything, but it is in the EU, ~ 155ms latency for me on US West 
coast.

From: Dovid Bender [mailto:do...@telecurve.com]
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 8:54 AM
To: Tyler Applebaum 
Cc: NANOG 
Subject: Re: IP's with jitter/packet loss and very far away

Any specific IP? I don't want this to turn into an ISP bashing session..

On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Tyler Applebaum 
> wrote:
Anything on Integra's network.

-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On 
Behalf Of Dovid Bender
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 8:43 AM
To: NANOG >
Subject: IP's with jitter/packet loss and very far away

Hi,

I am working on a presentation and looking to create samples of what a trace 
should not look like? Anyone have IP's that I can trace from the US or UK that 
will show
1) jitter
2) packet loss
3) very far away (perhaps an IP on a sat. link). Pref over 2000 ms

TIA.

Dovid
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RE: IP's with jitter/packet loss and very far away

[Chuck Church]

Any hotel wi-fi around 7PM local time.

Chuck


On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:42 AM, Dovid Bender 
> wrote:

Hi,

I am working on a presentation and looking to create samples of what a trace 
should not look like? Anyone have IP's that I can trace from the US or UK that 
will show
1) jitter
2) packet loss
3) very far away (perhaps an IP on a sat. link). Pref over 2000 ms

TIA.

Dovid