Re: announcement of freerouter
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 4:51 AM, Rob Seastrom wrote: >> On Dec 29, 2015, at 4:08 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: >> >> It wasn't about trolling, it was about legitimate prior art and reasonably >> so. Also, there's potentially a confusing association between the two. >> >> I'm glad the terminology was removed. > > Since it's an operating system for routing IP, maybe they could call it "IP > operating system", styled Ios, to prevent confusion with IOS and iOS. And not to be confused with IoS, the Internet of Shit: ;P https://youtu.be/soV7-gwxarE > Lawyers gotta eat too... > > -r
Re: Netflix stuffing data on pipe
The second part. Fixed wireless is not even on their radar. On Dec 29, 2015 9:16 PM, "Matt Hoppes" wrote: > So they are trying to stuff every last bit as an end device modulates up > and down? > > Or are you saying that's how they determine if they can scale up the > resolution "because there is more throughout available now". > > On Dec 29, 2015, at 22:10, Josh Reynolds wrote: > > Adaptive bandwidth detection. > On Dec 29, 2015 8:59 PM, "Matt Hoppes" wrote: > >> Has anyone else observed Netflix sessions attempting to come into >> customer CPE devices at well in excess of the customers throttled plan? >> >> I'm not talking error retries on the line. I'm talking like two to three >> times in excess of what the customers CPE device can handle. >> >> I'm observing massive buffer overruns in some of our switches that appear >> to be directly related to this. And I can't figure out what possible good >> purpose Netflix would have for attempting to do this. >> >> Curious if anyone else has seen it? > >
Re: Netflix stuffing data on pipe
So they are trying to stuff every last bit as an end device modulates up and down? Or are you saying that's how they determine if they can scale up the resolution "because there is more throughout available now". > On Dec 29, 2015, at 22:10, Josh Reynolds wrote: > > Adaptive bandwidth detection. > >> On Dec 29, 2015 8:59 PM, "Matt Hoppes" wrote: >> Has anyone else observed Netflix sessions attempting to come into customer >> CPE devices at well in excess of the customers throttled plan? >> >> I'm not talking error retries on the line. I'm talking like two to three >> times in excess of what the customers CPE device can handle. >> >> I'm observing massive buffer overruns in some of our switches that appear to >> be directly related to this. And I can't figure out what possible good >> purpose Netflix would have for attempting to do this. >> >> Curious if anyone else has seen it?
Re: Netflix stuffing data on pipe
Adaptive bandwidth detection. On Dec 29, 2015 8:59 PM, "Matt Hoppes" wrote: > Has anyone else observed Netflix sessions attempting to come into customer > CPE devices at well in excess of the customers throttled plan? > > I'm not talking error retries on the line. I'm talking like two to three > times in excess of what the customers CPE device can handle. > > I'm observing massive buffer overruns in some of our switches that appear > to be directly related to this. And I can't figure out what possible good > purpose Netflix would have for attempting to do this. > > Curious if anyone else has seen it?
Netflix stuffing data on pipe
Has anyone else observed Netflix sessions attempting to come into customer CPE devices at well in excess of the customers throttled plan? I'm not talking error retries on the line. I'm talking like two to three times in excess of what the customers CPE device can handle. I'm observing massive buffer overruns in some of our switches that appear to be directly related to this. And I can't figure out what possible good purpose Netflix would have for attempting to do this. Curious if anyone else has seen it?
ridiculous problems getting an ATT circuit port mode changed
Apparently there is still raison d'etre for everyone not a giant telco. We placed the circuit with tagging expected for the service vlan. We got it delivered without. We requested it be changed. Apparently that takes a change order, which when it is finally filed, takes 7-10BD to complete. However, there is another complication. The vlan has to be different or the order cant be accepted, since the vlan is in use. Options presented range from just reconfigure all your equipment, use it without the tag, reorder the UNI and expect at least a week of downtime. This when we all know, and the TAC group flat out confirmed, the change is a push of button, a flick of a switch, a twist of a knob, etc, etc.. I view circuits with such change difficulties as liabilities. Does anyone know anybody over in ATT land who can sort through this nonsense? Thanks and enjoy the holidays! Joe
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Re: interconnection costs
On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 9:13 PM, Baldur Norddahl wrote: > On 24 December 2015 at 03:04, wrote: > >> On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 16:39:11 -0800, Reza Motamedi said: >> > Aren't availability, guaranteed service and remote hands an incentive to >> do >> > peering inside a third party colocation? >> >> Sure. But there are places in the US where you have to decide whether the >> cost of lighting 300 miles of fiber to the colo is worth the benefits, when >> the other option is lighting fiber to a street cabinet across town. >> > > Also remember that 300 miles of fiber is going to go through a dozen of > street cabinets to get there. be sure that you either: a) plan for a second path for when the backhoe arrives b) understand that you may slosh 'lots' of traffic 'elsewhere' when A happens if you don't want to ship/install/etc a device in a cage in 'equinix' but rather use a Xconnect/fiber provider solution you're moving your failure domains around a bit.
Re: announcement of freerouter
Amazing what the proprietary appropriation of a single Word can do :) -mel > On Dec 29, 2015, at 11:08 AM, Mike - st257 wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > >> In fairness, when I first looked at the page, I was confused too. >> > > That content of web page(s) must have been altered between when Josh R. and > I viewed it. > > >> >> It said it ran as a “Router OS Process” which made me think that it was >> somehow a virtual router that ran inside the Mikrotik operating system >> known as Router SO and I was scratching my head going: >> >> A: How can that possibly work? >> B: Why would you want it to? >> >> Now, realizing that the guy probably made an honest mistake without >> realizing >> he was using someone else’s trade name in the process, it makes much more >> sense. >> >> Confusing, but in the end, much ado about nothing[1] all around. >> > > yep > Keeping us on our toes. > :-) > > >> >> Owen >> >> [1] No intent here to misuse any intellectual property of any Bard or >> other person. >> >> >>> On Dec 29, 2015, at 01:08 , Josh Reynolds wrote: >>> >>> It wasn't about trolling, it was about legitimate prior art and >> reasonably >>> so. Also, there's potentially a confusing association between the two. >>> >>> I'm glad the terminology was removed. >>> On Dec 28, 2015 2:31 PM, "Laszlo Hanyecz" wrote: >>> Mike, Csaba's front page previously described the software as being a 'routerOS', like in the very first sentence on the page. I'm assuming >> that the person who complained about that didn't read past the first sentence and just wanted to troll. It's obvious to me that decades of work have gone into this free router software, and the term router OS was just >> being used to describe what the software does - an OS for a router. It looks to me like the author has a deep understanding of networking to be able to implement all this from scratch and I think we can learn a >> lot from reading this code. He's also giving it away for free, which is >> hard to argue with. -Laszlo On 2015-12-28 18:28, Mike - st257 wrote: > Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2015 22:23:24 -0600 >> From: Josh Reynolds >> To: mate csaba >> Cc: c...@nop.hu, NANOG >> Subject: Re: announcement of freerouter >> Message-ID: >>> rss8t6yq7...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> RouterOS is an existing product by MikroTik. >> >> Mate Csaba's message had nothing to do with MikroTik RouterOS (from > Latvia, > which doesn't include IS-IS support). And Mikrotik RouterOS isn't free. > ;-) > > Why was this response about RouterOS? (Am I missing something?) > > The posted presentations/slides touch upon the feature set of FreeRtr > (which is similiar to MT RouterOS, but which many production-ready >> Network > OSes have). > http://freerouter.nop.hu/present.html > And CLI output examples: > http://freerouter.nop.hu/present.html > > > On Dec 24, 2015 9:46 PM, "mate csaba" wrote: >> >> hi, >>> pleased to announce a stable release of freerouter. >>> >> Neat. > > > this is a routing daemon that does packet handling itself >>> so it can do bridging, routing ipv4/ipv6 unicast/multicast, >>> mpls, vpls, evpn, mpls te, mldp, segment routing, and so on... >>> speaks a lot of routing protocols like rip, ospf, isis, eigrp, bgp, >>> babel... >>> does a lot of tunneling like gre, ipip, ipsec, l2tp, geneve, vxlan, >>> nvgre... >>> have a lot of built in servers like dns, http(s), smtp, pop3, telnet, >>> tacacs, radius, ssh... >>> it can start external images which could be connected, so various lab >>> topolgies can be easily created. >>> our nren uses if as primary fullbgp rr for more than a year for about >>> hundred routers. >>> here is the homepage: http://freerouter.nop.hu/ >>> feel free to try it out and send suggestions/bug reports...:) >>> thanks in advance, >>> csaba mate >>> niif/hungarnet >>> >> > >> >> > > > -- > ---~~.~~--- > Mike > // SilverTip257 //
Re: announcement of freerouter
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > In fairness, when I first looked at the page, I was confused too. > That content of web page(s) must have been altered between when Josh R. and I viewed it. > > It said it ran as a “Router OS Process” which made me think that it was > somehow a virtual router that ran inside the Mikrotik operating system > known as Router SO and I was scratching my head going: > > A: How can that possibly work? > B: Why would you want it to? > > Now, realizing that the guy probably made an honest mistake without > realizing > he was using someone else’s trade name in the process, it makes much more > sense. > > Confusing, but in the end, much ado about nothing[1] all around. > yep Keeping us on our toes. :-) > > Owen > > [1] No intent here to misuse any intellectual property of any Bard or > other person. > > > > On Dec 29, 2015, at 01:08 , Josh Reynolds wrote: > > > > It wasn't about trolling, it was about legitimate prior art and > reasonably > > so. Also, there's potentially a confusing association between the two. > > > > I'm glad the terminology was removed. > > On Dec 28, 2015 2:31 PM, "Laszlo Hanyecz" wrote: > > > >> Mike, > >> > >> Csaba's front page previously described the software as being a > >> 'routerOS', like in the very first sentence on the page. I'm assuming > that > >> the person who complained about that didn't read past the first sentence > >> and just wanted to troll. It's obvious to me that decades of work have > >> gone into this free router software, and the term router OS was just > being > >> used to describe what the software does - an OS for a router. > >> > >> It looks to me like the author has a deep understanding of networking to > >> be able to implement all this from scratch and I think we can learn a > lot > >> from reading this code. He's also giving it away for free, which is > hard > >> to argue with. > >> > >> -Laszlo > >> > >> On 2015-12-28 18:28, Mike - st257 wrote: > >> > >>> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2015 22:23:24 -0600 > From: Josh Reynolds > To: mate csaba > Cc: c...@nop.hu, NANOG > Subject: Re: announcement of freerouter > Message-ID: > rss8t6yq7...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > RouterOS is an existing product by MikroTik. > > Mate Csaba's message had nothing to do with MikroTik RouterOS (from > >>> Latvia, > >>> which doesn't include IS-IS support). And Mikrotik RouterOS isn't free. > >>> ;-) > >>> > >>> Why was this response about RouterOS? (Am I missing something?) > >>> > >>> The posted presentations/slides touch upon the feature set of FreeRtr > >>> (which is similiar to MT RouterOS, but which many production-ready > Network > >>> OSes have). > >>> http://freerouter.nop.hu/present.html > >>> And CLI output examples: > >>> http://freerouter.nop.hu/present.html > >>> > >>> > >>> On Dec 24, 2015 9:46 PM, "mate csaba" wrote: > > hi, > > pleased to announce a stable release of freerouter. > > > Neat. > >>> > >>> > >>> this is a routing daemon that does packet handling itself > > so it can do bridging, routing ipv4/ipv6 unicast/multicast, > > mpls, vpls, evpn, mpls te, mldp, segment routing, and so on... > > speaks a lot of routing protocols like rip, ospf, isis, eigrp, bgp, > > babel... > > does a lot of tunneling like gre, ipip, ipsec, l2tp, geneve, vxlan, > > nvgre... > > have a lot of built in servers like dns, http(s), smtp, pop3, telnet, > > tacacs, radius, ssh... > > it can start external images which could be connected, so various lab > > topolgies can be easily created. > > our nren uses if as primary fullbgp rr for more than a year for about > > hundred routers. > > here is the homepage: http://freerouter.nop.hu/ > > feel free to try it out and send suggestions/bug reports...:) > > thanks in advance, > > csaba mate > > niif/hungarnet > > > > >>> > >> > > -- ---~~.~~--- Mike // SilverTip257 //
Re: announcement of freerouter
Thanks for clearing it up, I was still confused what Mikrotik's OS had to do with it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > In fairness, when I first looked at the page, I was confused too. > > It said it ran as a “Router OS Process” which made me think that it was > somehow a virtual router that ran inside the Mikrotik operating system > known as Router SO and I was scratching my head going: > > A: How can that possibly work? > B: Why would you want it to? > > Now, realizing that the guy probably made an honest mistake without > realizing > he was using someone else’s trade name in the process, it makes much more > sense. > > Confusing, but in the end, much ado about nothing[1] all around. > > Owen > > [1] No intent here to misuse any intellectual property of any Bard or > other person. > > > > On Dec 29, 2015, at 01:08 , Josh Reynolds wrote: > > > > It wasn't about trolling, it was about legitimate prior art and > reasonably > > so. Also, there's potentially a confusing association between the two. > > > > I'm glad the terminology was removed. > > On Dec 28, 2015 2:31 PM, "Laszlo Hanyecz" wrote: > > > >> Mike, > >> > >> Csaba's front page previously described the software as being a > >> 'routerOS', like in the very first sentence on the page. I'm assuming > that > >> the person who complained about that didn't read past the first sentence > >> and just wanted to troll. It's obvious to me that decades of work have > >> gone into this free router software, and the term router OS was just > being > >> used to describe what the software does - an OS for a router. > >> > >> It looks to me like the author has a deep understanding of networking to > >> be able to implement all this from scratch and I think we can learn a > lot > >> from reading this code. He's also giving it away for free, which is > hard > >> to argue with. > >> > >> -Laszlo > >> > >> On 2015-12-28 18:28, Mike - st257 wrote: > >> > >>> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2015 22:23:24 -0600 > From: Josh Reynolds > To: mate csaba > Cc: c...@nop.hu, NANOG > Subject: Re: announcement of freerouter > Message-ID: > rss8t6yq7...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > RouterOS is an existing product by MikroTik. > > Mate Csaba's message had nothing to do with MikroTik RouterOS (from > >>> Latvia, > >>> which doesn't include IS-IS support). And Mikrotik RouterOS isn't free. > >>> ;-) > >>> > >>> Why was this response about RouterOS? (Am I missing something?) > >>> > >>> The posted presentations/slides touch upon the feature set of FreeRtr > >>> (which is similiar to MT RouterOS, but which many production-ready > Network > >>> OSes have). > >>> http://freerouter.nop.hu/present.html > >>> And CLI output examples: > >>> http://freerouter.nop.hu/present.html > >>> > >>> > >>> On Dec 24, 2015 9:46 PM, "mate csaba" wrote: > > hi, > > pleased to announce a stable release of freerouter. > > > Neat. > >>> > >>> > >>> this is a routing daemon that does packet handling itself > > so it can do bridging, routing ipv4/ipv6 unicast/multicast, > > mpls, vpls, evpn, mpls te, mldp, segment routing, and so on... > > speaks a lot of routing protocols like rip, ospf, isis, eigrp, bgp, > > babel... > > does a lot of tunneling like gre, ipip, ipsec, l2tp, geneve, vxlan, > > nvgre... > > have a lot of built in servers like dns, http(s), smtp, pop3, telnet, > > tacacs, radius, ssh... > > it can start external images which could be connected, so various lab > > topolgies can be easily created. > > our nren uses if as primary fullbgp rr for more than a year for about > > hundred routers. > > here is the homepage: http://freerouter.nop.hu/ > > feel free to try it out and send suggestions/bug reports...:) > > thanks in advance, > > csaba mate > > niif/hungarnet > > > > >>> > >> > >
Re: announcement of freerouter
In fairness, when I first looked at the page, I was confused too. It said it ran as a “Router OS Process” which made me think that it was somehow a virtual router that ran inside the Mikrotik operating system known as Router SO and I was scratching my head going: A: How can that possibly work? B: Why would you want it to? Now, realizing that the guy probably made an honest mistake without realizing he was using someone else’s trade name in the process, it makes much more sense. Confusing, but in the end, much ado about nothing[1] all around. Owen [1] No intent here to misuse any intellectual property of any Bard or other person. > On Dec 29, 2015, at 01:08 , Josh Reynolds wrote: > > It wasn't about trolling, it was about legitimate prior art and reasonably > so. Also, there's potentially a confusing association between the two. > > I'm glad the terminology was removed. > On Dec 28, 2015 2:31 PM, "Laszlo Hanyecz" wrote: > >> Mike, >> >> Csaba's front page previously described the software as being a >> 'routerOS', like in the very first sentence on the page. I'm assuming that >> the person who complained about that didn't read past the first sentence >> and just wanted to troll. It's obvious to me that decades of work have >> gone into this free router software, and the term router OS was just being >> used to describe what the software does - an OS for a router. >> >> It looks to me like the author has a deep understanding of networking to >> be able to implement all this from scratch and I think we can learn a lot >> from reading this code. He's also giving it away for free, which is hard >> to argue with. >> >> -Laszlo >> >> On 2015-12-28 18:28, Mike - st257 wrote: >> >>> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2015 22:23:24 -0600 From: Josh Reynolds To: mate csaba Cc: c...@nop.hu, NANOG Subject: Re: announcement of freerouter Message-ID: >>> rss8t6yq7...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 RouterOS is an existing product by MikroTik. Mate Csaba's message had nothing to do with MikroTik RouterOS (from >>> Latvia, >>> which doesn't include IS-IS support). And Mikrotik RouterOS isn't free. >>> ;-) >>> >>> Why was this response about RouterOS? (Am I missing something?) >>> >>> The posted presentations/slides touch upon the feature set of FreeRtr >>> (which is similiar to MT RouterOS, but which many production-ready Network >>> OSes have). >>> http://freerouter.nop.hu/present.html >>> And CLI output examples: >>> http://freerouter.nop.hu/present.html >>> >>> >>> On Dec 24, 2015 9:46 PM, "mate csaba" wrote: hi, > pleased to announce a stable release of freerouter. > Neat. >>> >>> >>> this is a routing daemon that does packet handling itself > so it can do bridging, routing ipv4/ipv6 unicast/multicast, > mpls, vpls, evpn, mpls te, mldp, segment routing, and so on... > speaks a lot of routing protocols like rip, ospf, isis, eigrp, bgp, > babel... > does a lot of tunneling like gre, ipip, ipsec, l2tp, geneve, vxlan, > nvgre... > have a lot of built in servers like dns, http(s), smtp, pop3, telnet, > tacacs, radius, ssh... > it can start external images which could be connected, so various lab > topolgies can be easily created. > our nren uses if as primary fullbgp rr for more than a year for about > hundred routers. > here is the homepage: http://freerouter.nop.hu/ > feel free to try it out and send suggestions/bug reports...:) > thanks in advance, > csaba mate > niif/hungarnet > >>> >>
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Re: announcement of freerouter
At the time of the announcement, this is what the page looked like (GIF attachment attempted). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Laszlo Hanyecz" To: "Mike - st257" , nanog@nanog.org Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 2:29:20 PM Subject: Re: announcement of freerouter Mike, Csaba's front page previously described the software as being a 'routerOS', like in the very first sentence on the page. I'm assuming that the person who complained about that didn't read past the first sentence and just wanted to troll. It's obvious to me that decades of work have gone into this free router software, and the term router OS was just being used to describe what the software does - an OS for a router. It looks to me like the author has a deep understanding of networking to be able to implement all this from scratch and I think we can learn a lot from reading this code. He's also giving it away for free, which is hard to argue with. -Laszlo On 2015-12-28 18:28, Mike - st257 wrote: >> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2015 22:23:24 -0600 >> From: Josh Reynolds >> To: mate csaba >> Cc: c...@nop.hu, NANOG >> Subject: Re: announcement of freerouter >> Message-ID: >> > rss8t6yq7...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> RouterOS is an existing product by MikroTik. >> > Mate Csaba's message had nothing to do with MikroTik RouterOS (from Latvia, > which doesn't include IS-IS support). And Mikrotik RouterOS isn't free. ;-) > > Why was this response about RouterOS? (Am I missing something?) > > The posted presentations/slides touch upon the feature set of FreeRtr > (which is similiar to MT RouterOS, but which many production-ready Network > OSes have). > http://freerouter.nop.hu/present.html > And CLI output examples: > http://freerouter.nop.hu/present.html > > >> On Dec 24, 2015 9:46 PM, "mate csaba" wrote: >> >>> hi, >>> pleased to announce a stable release of freerouter. > Neat. > > >>> this is a routing daemon that does packet handling itself >>> so it can do bridging, routing ipv4/ipv6 unicast/multicast, >>> mpls, vpls, evpn, mpls te, mldp, segment routing, and so on... >>> speaks a lot of routing protocols like rip, ospf, isis, eigrp, bgp, >>> babel... >>> does a lot of tunneling like gre, ipip, ipsec, l2tp, geneve, vxlan, >>> nvgre... >>> have a lot of built in servers like dns, http(s), smtp, pop3, telnet, >>> tacacs, radius, ssh... >>> it can start external images which could be connected, so various lab >>> topolgies can be easily created. >>> our nren uses if as primary fullbgp rr for more than a year for about >>> hundred routers. >>> here is the homepage: http://freerouter.nop.hu/ >>> feel free to try it out and send suggestions/bug reports...:) >>> thanks in advance, >>> csaba mate >>> niif/hungarnet >
Re: announcement of freerouter
> On Dec 29, 2015, at 4:08 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > > It wasn't about trolling, it was about legitimate prior art and reasonably > so. Also, there's potentially a confusing association between the two. > > I'm glad the terminology was removed. Since it's an operating system for routing IP, maybe they could call it "IP operating system", styled Ios, to prevent confusion with IOS and iOS. Lawyers gotta eat too... -r
Re: announcement of freerouter
It wasn't about trolling, it was about legitimate prior art and reasonably so. Also, there's potentially a confusing association between the two. I'm glad the terminology was removed. On Dec 28, 2015 2:31 PM, "Laszlo Hanyecz" wrote: > Mike, > > Csaba's front page previously described the software as being a > 'routerOS', like in the very first sentence on the page. I'm assuming that > the person who complained about that didn't read past the first sentence > and just wanted to troll. It's obvious to me that decades of work have > gone into this free router software, and the term router OS was just being > used to describe what the software does - an OS for a router. > > It looks to me like the author has a deep understanding of networking to > be able to implement all this from scratch and I think we can learn a lot > from reading this code. He's also giving it away for free, which is hard > to argue with. > > -Laszlo > > On 2015-12-28 18:28, Mike - st257 wrote: > >> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2015 22:23:24 -0600 >>> From: Josh Reynolds >>> To: mate csaba >>> Cc: c...@nop.hu, NANOG >>> Subject: Re: announcement of freerouter >>> Message-ID: >>> >> rss8t6yq7...@mail.gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >>> >>> RouterOS is an existing product by MikroTik. >>> >>> Mate Csaba's message had nothing to do with MikroTik RouterOS (from >> Latvia, >> which doesn't include IS-IS support). And Mikrotik RouterOS isn't free. >> ;-) >> >> Why was this response about RouterOS? (Am I missing something?) >> >> The posted presentations/slides touch upon the feature set of FreeRtr >> (which is similiar to MT RouterOS, but which many production-ready Network >> OSes have). >> http://freerouter.nop.hu/present.html >> And CLI output examples: >> http://freerouter.nop.hu/present.html >> >> >> On Dec 24, 2015 9:46 PM, "mate csaba" wrote: >>> >>> hi, pleased to announce a stable release of freerouter. >>> Neat. >> >> >> this is a routing daemon that does packet handling itself so it can do bridging, routing ipv4/ipv6 unicast/multicast, mpls, vpls, evpn, mpls te, mldp, segment routing, and so on... speaks a lot of routing protocols like rip, ospf, isis, eigrp, bgp, babel... does a lot of tunneling like gre, ipip, ipsec, l2tp, geneve, vxlan, nvgre... have a lot of built in servers like dns, http(s), smtp, pop3, telnet, tacacs, radius, ssh... it can start external images which could be connected, so various lab topolgies can be easily created. our nren uses if as primary fullbgp rr for more than a year for about hundred routers. here is the homepage: http://freerouter.nop.hu/ feel free to try it out and send suggestions/bug reports...:) thanks in advance, csaba mate niif/hungarnet >>> >> >
Re: announcement of freerouter
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Laszlo Hanyecz wrote: > Mike, > > Csaba's front page previously described the software as being a > 'routerOS', like in the very first sentence on the page. I'm assuming that > the person who complained about that didn't read past the first sentence > and just wanted to troll. It's obvious to me that decades of work have > gone into this free router software, and the term router OS was just being > used to describe what the software does - an OS for a router. > Thanks for the clarification. I did miss that particular sentence with 'router OS'. But perusal of two or three of freerouter's pages showed it to be more Cisco-like (much like Quagga's CLI syntax mimics Cisco IOS command syntax) than Mikrotik RouterOS. While freerouter != Mikrotik RouterOS, I can't disagree that Mikrotik RouterOS does deliver quite the bang for the buck. :-) > > It looks to me like the author has a deep understanding of networking to > be able to implement all this from scratch and I think we can learn a lot > from reading this code. He's also giving it away for free, which is hard > to argue with. Yes. Another alternative and a free one at that. > > > -Laszlo > > > On 2015-12-28 18:28, Mike - st257 wrote: > >> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2015 22:23:24 -0600 >>> From: Josh Reynolds >>> To: mate csaba >>> Cc: c...@nop.hu, NANOG >>> Subject: Re: announcement of freerouter >>> Message-ID: >>> >> rss8t6yq7...@mail.gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >>> >>> RouterOS is an existing product by MikroTik. >>> >>> Mate Csaba's message had nothing to do with MikroTik RouterOS (from >> Latvia, >> which doesn't include IS-IS support). And Mikrotik RouterOS isn't free. >> ;-) >> >> Why was this response about RouterOS? (Am I missing something?) >> >> The posted presentations/slides touch upon the feature set of FreeRtr >> (which is similiar to MT RouterOS, but which many production-ready Network >> OSes have). >> http://freerouter.nop.hu/present.html >> And CLI output examples: >> http://freerouter.nop.hu/present.html >> >> >> On Dec 24, 2015 9:46 PM, "mate csaba" wrote: >>> >>> hi, pleased to announce a stable release of freerouter. >>> Neat. >> >> >> this is a routing daemon that does packet handling itself so it can do bridging, routing ipv4/ipv6 unicast/multicast, mpls, vpls, evpn, mpls te, mldp, segment routing, and so on... speaks a lot of routing protocols like rip, ospf, isis, eigrp, bgp, babel... does a lot of tunneling like gre, ipip, ipsec, l2tp, geneve, vxlan, nvgre... have a lot of built in servers like dns, http(s), smtp, pop3, telnet, tacacs, radius, ssh... it can start external images which could be connected, so various lab topolgies can be easily created. our nren uses if as primary fullbgp rr for more than a year for about hundred routers. here is the homepage: http://freerouter.nop.hu/ feel free to try it out and send suggestions/bug reports...:) thanks in advance, csaba mate niif/hungarnet >>> >> > -- ---~~.~~--- Mike // SilverTip257 //
