Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-28 Thread Matthew Newton
Hi, On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 04:52:59PM +0100, Baldur Norddahl wrote: > The standard 24 or 48 port SFP+ switch is 10 times the price of the > equivalent switch with 24 or 48 port SFP. The same is true for the optics. > > 2.5 and 4 Gbit/s SFP modules are available and cheap. It is just that >

Re: Netflix NOC? VPN Mismarked?

2016-01-28 Thread Roland Dobbins
On 29 Jan 2016, at 0:05, Crane, Todd wrote: > Imagine the issues if EoL'ed and EoS'ed those iPads. Um, I think they are . . . --- Roland Dobbins

Re: Netflix NOC? VPN Mismarked?

2016-01-28 Thread Stephen Satchell
It depends on whether the exact model is being sold after a couple of years, and not superseded by new models. This is the case in the wireless router world, where product churn leaves last year's model an orphan when it comes to updates. Not so much in the OS world, only because the OS

Re: Netflix NOC? VPN Mismarked?

2016-01-28 Thread Mark Tinka
On 28/Jan/16 17:27, Stephen Satchell wrote: > It depends on whether the exact model is being sold after a couple of > years, and not superseded by new models. This is the case in the > wireless router world, where product churn leaves last year's model an > orphan when it comes to updates.

Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-28 Thread Baldur Norddahl
The standard 24 or 48 port SFP+ switch is 10 times the price of the equivalent switch with 24 or 48 port SFP. The same is true for the optics. 2.5 and 4 Gbit/s SFP modules are available and cheap. It is just that ethernet ports will not take advantage of the extra speed. So it is only useful on

Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-28 Thread Josh Reynolds
You're buying your switches and optics in the wrong places. An SFP+ 10K w/ DOM is running me a little under $34. An SFP+ port runs me slightly over $102. (Juniper) On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Baldur Norddahl wrote: > The standard 24 or 48 port SFP+ switch is 10

Re: Netflix NOC? VPN Mismarked?

2016-01-28 Thread Crane, Todd
If we are still talking about Netflix issues, eventually many of the issues will sort themselves out. As more and more "smart" devices are IPv6 enabled, IPv4 only devices will become rarer and rarer. Thus the CGNAT pools will be shared by less and less accounts. Then again... we may run into the

Twitch contact

2016-01-28 Thread Laurent Dumont
Long shot, but if anyone from Twitch could poke me offlist for a few questions regarding it's policy with multiple streamers per IP address (if it's even something we need to consider) We are running a large-ish LAN event and are slightly worried about that. Thanks!

Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-28 Thread Brandon Butterworth
> The standard 24 or 48 port SFP+ switch is 10 times the price of the > equivalent switch with 24 or 48 port SFP. The same is true for the optics. I never saw many cheap 48port 1U sfp switches as people bought copper at that speed so the ones that were around were relatively expensive. With 10G

Re: Netflix NOC? VPN Mismarked?

2016-01-28 Thread Mike Hammett
There's little reason to buy a newer TV more than every 5 - 10 years, so many TVs will be stranded until (if) they have some unifying firmware. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message -

Re: Google Contact

2016-01-28 Thread Damian Menscher via NANOG
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 12:08 PM, James Downs wrote: > > > On Jan 26, 2016, at 09:40, Adam Loveless > wrote: > > > > Any Google engineers that can contact me off list? Seems our address > space > > has been blacklisted by Google and we have to enter

Re: Netflix NOC? VPN Mismarked?

2016-01-28 Thread Scott Morizot
Well, I live in the US and this is a North American specific list (NANOG) and IPv6 is the resolution of those issues for us. I'm not particularly familiar with the state of networking in the rest of the world, so have no idea how much of an issue it is for them. And yes, TVs stick around for a

Re: Netflix NOC? VPN Mismarked?

2016-01-28 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016, Scott Morizot wrote: Which brands are the ones that aren't supporting IPv6? I just checked a Samsung "smart TV", it's new enough to have 5GHz wifi, I believe the model is 3 years old. http://specsen.com/televisions-samsung/samsung-ue55es6535/ There is no sight of any

Re: Netflix NOC? VPN Mismarked?

2016-01-28 Thread Owen DeLong
> On Jan 28, 2016, at 05:46 , Bacon Zombie wrote: > > Do all "smart" TVs and Game consoles fully support IPv6 out of the box? > Sadly, hardly any so far. A few models from Sony is all so far to the best of my knowledge. However, there is effort continuing on that front

Re: Netflix NOC? VPN Mismarked?

2016-01-28 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016, Owen DeLong wrote: I believe IPv6 support will be coming to Apple TV soon. I don’t know what the plans (if any) are at TiVO. I’m overdue to hammer on them again. Apple TV has had support for IPv6, at least my ATV3 has that. Enough support to confuse the hell out of

Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-28 Thread Brandon Butterworth
> > With 10G it's been the opposite, nobody was using copper so SFP+ is > > cheap. Only recently has copper 10G started to become common, a bit too > > late to be worth bothering with now and as there are no copper SFP+ > > Having new servers switch to copper instead of sfp is a nuisance > >

Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-28 Thread Randy Carpenter
I wouldn't say that used or grey market really count as viable options. If we count that, I can get 1GbE for free. The reality is that for a unit that is supported (both software releases and warranty) properly for deployment in mission critical situations, 10GbE costs ~10x 1GbE. While the

Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-28 Thread Alan Buxey
Um. You don't have an option for old copper plants. This stuff gives you 2.5gig or 5gig on cat5/cat5e (depending on distance). If you can do 10g you really shouldn't be carrying about this stuff. In the optical world just jump to using 10Gig (where you can) alan

BCM SOC based IPTV STBs

2016-01-28 Thread Jason Lixfeld
Howdy, What are folks using for BCM SOC (7424 gen, or newer) based IPTV STBs?[1] I’m looking for something pretty simple - HDMI, S/PDIF (optical and 1/8” digital coax) and an Ethernet port is all I’m really interested in. No RCA audio, component video or Wifi. Nice and simple. If GreenPeak

Re: Netflix NOC? VPN Mismarked?

2016-01-28 Thread Mark Andrews
In message , Chris Knipe writes: > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > > There's little reason to buy a newer TV more than every 5 - 10 years, so > > many TVs will be stranded until (if)

Re: Netflix NOC? VPN Mismarked?

2016-01-28 Thread Chris Knipe
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > There's little reason to buy a newer TV more than every 5 - 10 years, so > many TVs will be stranded until (if) they have some unifying firmware. > > Well the TV is also meaningless if the CPE, and (at the very least)

Re: Netflix NOC? VPN Mismarked?

2016-01-28 Thread Owen DeLong
> On Jan 28, 2016, at 09:45 , Chris Knipe wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > >> There's little reason to buy a newer TV more than every 5 - 10 years, so >> many TVs will be stranded until (if) they have some unifying

Re: Netflix NOC? VPN Mismarked?

2016-01-28 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:46:33 +0100, Bacon Zombie said: > Do all "smart" TVs and Game consoles fully support IPv6 out of the box? Specific data points: The PS/3 and PS/4 consoles do *not* do so. My Vizio TV also apparently does not - it *does* dhcp for an ipv4, but does naught that produces an

Re: The IPv6 Travesty that is Cogent's refusal to peer Hurricane Electric - and how to solve it

2016-01-28 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 8:45 AM, Randy Bush wrote: > folk can rant on nanog all they want if it > makes them feel good or self-righteous. Hi Randy, It DOES make me feel good. And a little self-righteous. > won't change a damned thing. Some FCC employees read this forum. My

RE: Netflix NOC? VPN Mismarked?

2016-01-28 Thread Steve Mikulasik
How is IPv6 adoption in Korean and Japan? Maybe that would push these vendors to care more if it impacted them where they lived. -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Scott Morizot Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 1:15 PM To: Mikael Abrahamsson

RE: Netflix NOC? VPN Mismarked?

2016-01-28 Thread Chris Adams (IT)
If you feel that Google's IPV6 statistics are accurate, this provides a view: https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-country-ipv6-adoption=per-country-ipv6-adoption Japan: 9.49% South Korea: 1.96% Both of which are significantly better than North Korea's adoption rate of 0%

Re: Netflix NOC? VPN Mismarked?

2016-01-28 Thread Scott Morizot
On Jan 28, 2016 12:27, "Mikael Abrahamsson" wrote: > > On Thu, 28 Jan 2016, Scott Morizot wrote: > >> Which brands are the ones that aren't supporting IPv6? > > > I just checked a Samsung "smart TV", it's new enough to have 5GHz wifi, I believe the model is 3 years old. > I

Re: IX ARP Timeout

2016-01-28 Thread James Bensley
How often does your peering router change IP address? For the majority of people I would expect the answer to be almost nevery/very rarely. James.

Re: Netflix NOC? VPN Mismarked?

2016-01-28 Thread Chris Knipe
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: > > Fortunately Netflix is running IPv6 for most things already. If you’re an > ISP and you’re not > allowing them to reach Netflix via IPv6, then you’re part of the problem > rather than the solution. > > Sure. Easy to say

Re: The IPv6 Travesty that is Cogent's refusal to peer Hurricane Electric - and how to solve it

2016-01-28 Thread Owen DeLong
> While I do not disagree that larger providers looking to protect their > revenues is an economically-sound objective, I think the typical peering > policies of old do not entirely hold up in 2016. I’m pretty convinced that they never really did. I realize they’ve been popular conventional

Re: Netflix NOC? VPN Mismarked?

2016-01-28 Thread Owen DeLong
IPv4 will become a progressively deeper version of hell until we finally turn it off. Fortunately Netflix is running IPv6 for most things already. If you’re an ISP and you’re not allowing them to reach Netflix via IPv6, then you’re part of the problem rather than the solution. Owen > On Jan

Re: IX ARP Timeout

2016-01-28 Thread Owen DeLong
Unless your IX has an unusual amount of churn, a four hour timeout really shouldn’t be a problem. Stale records really shouldn’t be a problem as they should get overwritten with gratuitous ARPs when needed. OTOH, having the ARP be somewhat sticky can not only reduce broadcast traffic, but

Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-28 Thread Jérôme Nicolle
Le 28/01/2016 01:51, Baldur Norddahl a écrit : > Will we also get 2.5 Gbps fiber optics? SFP modules should support it? Why wouldn't you go straight to 10G ? -- Jérôme Nicolle

Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-28 Thread Tom Hill
On 28/01/16 09:44, Jérôme Nicolle wrote: > > Le 28/01/2016 01:51, Baldur Norddahl a écrit : >> > Will we also get 2.5 Gbps fiber optics? SFP modules should support it? > Why wouldn't you go straight to 10G ? The 2.5/5G standards were born *entirely* on the rationale that someone wanted to get

Re: IX ARP Timeout

2016-01-28 Thread Saku Ytti
Hey, > So I'm looking at the policies, recommended configurations, etc. of other > IXes. We try to model a lot of ourselves on what the Europeans do (even if we > come up short in some areas). I was reading through the AMS-IX guide. > >

Re: The IPv6 Travesty that is Cogent's refusal to peer Hurricane Electric - and how to solve it

2016-01-28 Thread Måns Nilsson
Subject: Re: The IPv6 Travesty that is Cogent's refusal to peer Hurricane Electric - and how to solve it Date: Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 05:36:13PM -0800 Quoting Owen DeLong (o...@delong.com): > > > On Jan 27, 2016, at 14:43 , Måns Nilsson wrote: > > > > Subject: Re: The

Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-28 Thread Yang Yu
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Brandon Butterworth wrote: > With 10G it's been the opposite, nobody was using copper so SFP+ is > cheap. Only recently has copper 10G started to become common, a bit too > late to be worth bothering with now and as there are no copper SFP+

Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-28 Thread Mike Hammett
Used? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Randy Carpenter" To: "Josh Reynolds" Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Thursday, January

Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-28 Thread joel jaeggli
On 1/28/16 10:29 AM, Randy Carpenter wrote: > > I'd love to know what model Juniper you are getting for $102 per > 10GbE port and where you are getting it. The lowest-end 10GbE switch > is the EX4600, which lists at more like $850 per port. You can get > higher-end ones with much larger port

Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-28 Thread Randy Carpenter
I'd love to know what model Juniper you are getting for $102 per 10GbE port and where you are getting it. The lowest-end 10GbE switch is the EX4600, which lists at more like $850 per port. You can get higher-end ones with much larger port counts and get the cost/port down to about half that,

Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-28 Thread Mike
On 01/28/2016 10:29 AM, Randy Carpenter wrote: I'd love to know what model Juniper you are getting for $102 per 10GbE port and where you are getting it. The lowest-end 10GbE switch is the EX4600, which lists at more like $850 per port. You can get higher-end ones with much larger port

Re: small automatic transfer switches

2016-01-28 Thread Mike
On 1/27/16, 12:42 PM, mike.l...@gmail.com wrote: Doesnt the packetflux sitemonitor generator controller do that? I have packetflux deployed and find it buggy and of little actual value, im sorry I spent the money.

Re: small automatic transfer switches

2016-01-28 Thread Mike Hammett
have you reached out to support? I wish all vendors stood behind their products as much as Forest does. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Mike"

Re: small automatic transfer switches

2016-01-28 Thread mike . lyon
I love mine, i have them deployed at all my sites. -Mike > On Jan 28, 2016, at 20:19, Mike Hammett wrote: > > have you reached out to support? I wish all vendors stood behind their > products as much as Forest does. > > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent

Re: The IPv6 Travesty that is Cogent's refusal to peer Hurricane Electric - and how to solve it

2016-01-28 Thread Randy Bush
almost all top tier providers have closed peering policies, many outright draconian. folk can rant on nanog all they want if it makes them feel good or self-righteous. won't change a damned thing. bunch of whiners, whining about something that has been a reality for over 20 years and is not

Re: Netflix NOC? VPN Mismarked?

2016-01-28 Thread Mike Hammett
It is best start with any before moving to all. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Bacon Zombie" To: "Chris Knipe" Cc:

Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-28 Thread Greg Hankins
The goals of these BASE-T projects are specifically to extend the life of the large installed base of Cat 5e/6 cabling with higher speeds. I wouldn't expect there to be a fiber interface, because we already have much higher speeds that are supported on MMF/SMF at better costs (ie if you had a

Re: The IPv6 Travesty that is Cogent's refusal to peer Hurricane Electric - and how to solve it

2016-01-28 Thread Owen DeLong
Sadly, the law firms with big routers seem to prefer a regulatory environment that they can manipulate, so it’s a tough situation to achieve a good outcome. They are the ones that are blocking the industry from arriving at a good outcome without regulation and they will likely be the ones

Re: The IPv6 Travesty that is Cogent's refusal to peer Hurricane Electric - and how to solve it

2016-01-28 Thread Mike Hammett
Nothing says a better Internet than one the government pokes their nose around in. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "William Herrin" To: "Randy Bush"

Re: The IPv6 Travesty that is Cogent's refusal to peer Hurricane Electric - and how to solve it

2016-01-28 Thread Mark Tinka
On 28/Jan/16 11:16, Owen DeLong wrote: > Bottom line, I’ve never seen a case where any ISP has definitively benefited > from a restrictive peering policy. At best, it’s a neutral factor that most > people just sort of accept. Routinely, it drives business away from such > ISPs towards Tier-2s

Re: Netflix NOC? VPN Mismarked?

2016-01-28 Thread Mark Tinka
On 28/Jan/16 15:46, Bacon Zombie wrote: > Do all "smart" TVs and Game consoles fully support IPv6 out of the box? The number is not non-zero, but it's not worth talking about based on the small sample I did in 2015. Particularly for TV's, software update support goes from trickles to

Re: Netflix NOC? VPN Mismarked?

2016-01-28 Thread Bacon Zombie
Do all "smart" TVs and Game consoles fully support IPv6 out of the box? On 28 Jan 2016 10:17, "Chris Knipe" wrote: > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: > > > > > Fortunately Netflix is running IPv6 for most things already. If you’re an >

Re: Netflix NOC? VPN Mismarked?

2016-01-28 Thread Chris Knipe
Highly unlikely... On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Bacon Zombie wrote: > Do all "smart" TVs and Game consoles fully support IPv6 out of the box? > On 28 Jan 2016 10:17, "Chris Knipe" wrote: > >> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Owen DeLong

Re: Netflix NOC? VPN Mismarked?

2016-01-28 Thread Scott Morizot
On Jan 28, 2016 08:21, "Mark Tinka" wrote: > On 28/Jan/16 15:46, Bacon Zombie wrote: > > > Do all "smart" TVs and Game consoles fully support IPv6 out of the box? > > The number is not non-zero, but it's not worth talking about based on > the small sample I did in 2015. I'm