Re: Stop IPv6 Google traffic

On 10 April 2016 at 12:33, wrote: > Who cares what his motivations are unless he asks for help with that > underlying problem? See Also: http://xyproblem.info/ -- Eitan Adler

Re: GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences

On 12/04/2016 00:41, Ricky Beam wrote: > On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 12:55:11 -0400, Chris Boyd > wrote: >> Interesting article. >> >> http://fusion.net/story/287592/internet-mapping-glitch-kansas-farm/ > ... > > "Until you reached out to us, we were unaware that there were

Re: GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > So really, what is needed is two additional fields for the lat/lon of > laterr/lonerr so that, for example, instead of just 38.0/-97.0, you would > get 38.0±2/-97.0±10 or something like that. > It does seem needed to the

Re: GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences

Owne, * Owen DeLong (o...@delong.com) wrote: > However, my home address has been published in multiple whois databases since > I moved here in 1993. > > Not once has a nitwit with a gun shown up on my doorstep as a result. (I have > had visits from nitwits with guns, > but they were the

Re: GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences

On 4/11/2016 11:55, Chris Boyd wrote: Interesting article. http://fusion.net/story/287592/internet-mapping-glitch-kansas-farm/ An hour’s drive from Wichita, Kansas, in a little town called Potwin, there is a 360-acre piece of land with a very big problem. The plot has been owned by the

Re: GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences

> On Apr 11, 2016, at 15:23 , Niels Bakker

Re: Stop IPv6 Google traffic

On 10 April 2016 at 14:48, Jon Lewis wrote: > On Sun, 10 Apr 2016, Max Tulyev wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> I need to stop IPv6 web traffic going from our customers to Google >> without touching all other IPv6 and without blackhole IPv6 Google >> network (this case my customers are

Re: GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences

Oh, heck, you know better than that. You can put in all the flags and warnings you want, but if it returns an address, nitwits will show up at the address with guns. * o...@delong.com (Owen DeLong) [Tue 12 Apr 2016, 00:02 CEST]: I hear this argument about various things over and over and

Re: GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences

> On Apr 11, 2016, at 12:01 , Baldur Norddahl wrote: > > On 11 April 2016 at 20:15, John Levine wrote: > >> Oh, heck, you know better than that. You can put in all the flags and >> warnings you want, but if it returns an address, nitwits will show

Re: GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences

> On Apr 11, 2016, at 11:15 , John Levine wrote: > > >> The problem with MaxMind (and other geoip databases I've seen that do >> Lat/Long as well as Country / State / Town) is that the >> data doesn't include uncertainty, so it returns "38.0/-97.0" rather than >> "somewhere

Re: Stop IPv6 Google traffic

> On Apr 11, 2016, at 14:03 , Rubens Kuhl wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 5:56 PM, Ricky Beam wrote: > >> On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 20:09:04 -0400, Rubens Kuhl wrote: >> >>> If your users are seeing captchas, one or a few or them are

Re: GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences

On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 12:55:11 -0400, Chris Boyd wrote: Interesting article. http://fusion.net/story/287592/internet-mapping-glitch-kansas-farm/ ... "Until you reached out to us, we were unaware that there were issues..." Bull! I can dig up dozens (if not hundreds)

Re: Stop IPv6 Google traffic

On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 17:03:02 -0400, Rubens Kuhl wrote: If that were the case, they'd be seeing the same via IPv4. And apparently, they aren't. Nope. If you have both A and IP addresses in DNS responses and have both IPv4 and IPv6 connectivity, IPv6 will be

Re: GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences

> On Apr 11, 2016, at 10:26 , Steve Atkins wrote: > >> >> On Apr 11, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Hugo Slabbert wrote: >> >> >> On Mon 2016-Apr-11 13:02:14 -0400, Ken Chase wrote: >> >>> TL;DR: GeoIP put unknown IP location mappings to the

Re: how to deal with port scan and brute force attack from AS 8075 ?

> On Apr 11, 2016, at 12:12 , William Herrin wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: >> On Apr 7, 2016, at 07:41 , William Herrin wrote: >> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 5:36 AM, Bacon Zombie wrote: >>

Re: Stop IPv6 Google traffic

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 5:56 PM, Ricky Beam wrote: > On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 20:09:04 -0400, Rubens Kuhl wrote: > >> If your users are seeing captchas, one or a few or them are likely to be >> infected to the point of generating too much requests to Google. >> >

Re: Stop IPv6 Google traffic

On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 20:09:04 -0400, Rubens Kuhl wrote: If your users are seeing captchas, one or a few or them are likely to be infected to the point of generating too much requests to Google. If that were the case, they'd be seeing the same via IPv4. And apparently, they

Re: GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences

On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 21:13:48 +0200, Niels Bakker said: > * baldur.nordd...@gmail.com (Baldur Norddahl) [Mon 11 Apr 2016, 21:02 CEST]: > >They should stop giving out coordinates on houses period. Move the > >coordinate to the nearest street intersection if you need to be that > >precise (I would

Re: GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences

* baldur.nordd...@gmail.com (Baldur Norddahl) [Mon 11 Apr 2016, 21:02 CEST]: They should stop giving out coordinates on houses period. Move the coordinate to the nearest street intersection if you need to be that precise (I would prefer nearest town square). Anything more than that should be

Re: how to deal with port scan and brute force attack from AS 8075 ?

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > On Apr 7, 2016, at 07:41 , William Herrin wrote: > On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 5:36 AM, Bacon Zombie wrote: > > I would ignore the portscans since there is nothing wrong with portscanning >

Re: GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences

On Mon, 11 Apr 2016, Laszlo Hanyecz wrote: I imagine some consumers of the data will 'correct' the position to fall on the nearest road in front of the nearest house. If GeoIP insists on giving a specific lon/lat, instead of an uncertaintity how about using locations such as the followign as

Re: GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences

On 11 April 2016 at 20:15, John Levine wrote: > Oh, heck, you know better than that. You can put in all the flags and > warnings you want, but if it returns an address, nitwits will show up > at the address with guns. > > Bodies of water probably are the least bad alternative.

Re: GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences

On 2016-04-11 18:15, John Levine wrote: Bodies of water probably are the least bad alternative. I wonder if they're going to hydrolocate all of the unknown addresses, or only the ones where they get publically shamed. R's, John I imagine some consumers of the data will 'correct' the

Re: how to deal with port scan and brute force attack from AS 8075 ?

> On Apr 11, 2016, at 2:18 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > > I could be wrong, IANAL, but I’d be surprised if a mere portscan would > actually be treated as a violation for the reasons cited above. > >> Not that I've ever heard of someone being fined but you're definitely >> in to

Re: GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences

Why not use the locations of their own homes? They're indirectly sending mobs to randomly chosen locations. There's enough middle men involved so they can all say they're doing nothing wrong, but wrong is being done. -Laszlo On 2016-04-11 17:34, Steve Mikulasik wrote: Just so everyone is

Re: how to deal with port scan and brute force attack from AS 8075 ?

> On Apr 7, 2016, at 07:41 , William Herrin wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 5:36 AM, Bacon Zombie wrote: >> I would ignore the portscans since there is nothing wrong with portscanning >> the Internet. > > You might want to check with your lawyer on

Re: GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences

>The problem with MaxMind (and other geoip databases I've seen that do Lat/Long >as well as Country / State / Town) is that the >data doesn't include uncertainty, so it returns "38.0/-97.0" rather than >"somewhere in a 3000 mile radius circle centered on >38.0/-97.0". > >Someone should show

Re: GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences

In article <90136824.12309.1460396310889.JavaMail.mhammett@ThunderFuck> you write: >So they launch exhaustive and expensive searches of lakes instead? :-) I'm starting a new chain of kiosks that rent wet suits and snorkels. R's, John

RE: GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences

I imagine it might look something like this http://i.imgur.com/HlpOXP0.jpg -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 11:39 AM Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: GeoIP database issues and the real world

Re: GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences

> On Apr 11, 2016, at 1:34 PM, Steve Mikulasik > wrote: > > Just so everyone is clear, Maxmind is changing their default locations. > > " Now that I’ve made MaxMind aware of the consequences of the default > locations it’s chosen, Mather says they’re going to

Re: GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences

So they launch exhaustive and expensive searches of lakes instead? :-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Steve Mikulasik" To:

RE: GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences

Just so everyone is clear, Maxmind is changing their default locations. " Now that I’ve made MaxMind aware of the consequences of the default locations it’s chosen, Mather says they’re going to change them. They are picking new default locations for the U.S. and Ashburn, Virginia that are in

Re: GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences

> On Apr 11, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Hugo Slabbert wrote: > > > On Mon 2016-Apr-11 13:02:14 -0400, Ken Chase wrote: > >> TL;DR: GeoIP put unknown IP location mappings to the 'center of the country' >> but then rounded off the lat long so it points at this farm.

Re: GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences

Well they DO know the IP location is within the USA - many apps use the GeoIP API and require a lat/long returned, and some need one that lands within a country border (thus my suggestion of middle of a remote wilderness park - let the cops search some desolate remote desert in nevada amirite?)

Re: GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences

Has happened in Atlanta, too, due to (what I think) was a lookup on the ASN's whois, which wasn't specific: http://fusion.net/story/214995/find-my-phone-apps-lead-to-wrong-home/ On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Chris Boyd wrote: > > Interesting article. > >

Re: GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences

Or 0,0, send the FBI to Africa on a boating trip. that would probably be easier than "unknown" or "null". Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Hugo Slabbert wrote: > > On Mon

Re: GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences

On Mon 2016-Apr-11 13:02:14 -0400, Ken Chase wrote: TL;DR: GeoIP put unknown IP location mappings to the 'center of the country' but then rounded off the lat long so it points at this farm. Cant believe law enforcement is using this kind of info to execute searches. Wouldnt

Re: GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences

TL;DR: GeoIP put unknown IP location mappings to the 'center of the country' but then rounded off the lat long so it points at this farm. Cant believe law enforcement is using this kind of info to execute searches. Wouldnt that undermine the credibility of any evidence brought up in trials for

GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences

Interesting article. http://fusion.net/story/287592/internet-mapping-glitch-kansas-farm/ An hour’s drive from Wichita, Kansas, in a little town called Potwin, there is a 360-acre piece of land with a very big problem. The plot has been owned by the Vogelman family for more than a hundred

Re: Stop IPv6 Google traffic

b...@theworld.com writes: > It seems like every technical list is over-run with > meta-conversations, how do I (blah), WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO (blah)?!?! It is reasonable to expect anyone asking for help to describe the process leading up to the situation where they are stuck. I'd say it is rare