Re: MTU to CDN's

2018-01-19 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Sat, 20 Jan 2018, Mark Andrews wrote: Which doesn’t work with IPv6 as UDP doesn’t have the field to clamp. Well, not with UDP/IPv4 either. Actually, the only protocol I know out there that has this kind of clamping (and is in wide use for clamping), is TCP. Thus, my earlier comment abou

Re: MTU to CDN's

2018-01-19 Thread Mark Andrews
Which doesn’t work with IPv6 as UDP doesn’t have the field to clamp. -- Mark Andrews > On 20 Jan 2018, at 03:35, Radu-Adrian Feurdean > wrote: > >> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018, at 01:14, Jared Mauch wrote: >> If you’re then doing DSL + PPPoE and your customers really see a MTU >> of 1492 or less, t

Re: Leasing /22

2018-01-19 Thread Ca By
On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 8:50 PM Josh Reynolds wrote: > Not hard to do in the US where most access networks still aren't > supporting IPv6. > I hear ya, some places are behind. Check this out, close to 80% of mobile subs are on ipv6 across the 4 major carriers http://www.worldipv6launch.org/new

Re: Leasing /22

2018-01-19 Thread Josh Reynolds
Not hard to do in the US where most access networks still aren't supporting IPv6. On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 9:54 PM, Ca By wrote: > On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 5:48 PM Michael Crapse wrote: > >> Has Hulu, or a thousand other content distributors considered IPv6? Because >> you can't even tunnel to ipv

Re: Leasing /22

2018-01-19 Thread Ca By
On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 5:48 PM Michael Crapse wrote: > Has Hulu, or a thousand other content distributors considered IPv6? Because > you can't even tunnel to ipv4 without setting off VPN alarms with HULU. > Hulu? Really scraping the bottom of the barrel of content providers that dont use ipv6 t

Re: Leasing /22

2018-01-19 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 9:08 PM, John Levine wrote: > In article mail.gmail.com> you write: > >We're on the hunt yet again for an additional /22 to lease, and are > >wondering what the best options are out there? > > It's been a long time since I've seen IP space for lease that wasn't > either a

Re: Leasing /22

2018-01-19 Thread John Levine
In article you write: >We're on the hunt yet again for an additional /22 to lease, and are >wondering what the best options are out there? It's been a long time since I've seen IP space for lease that wasn't either a scam or totally poisoned. If it were actually usable, it'd be for sale, not f

Re: Leasing /22

2018-01-19 Thread Michael Crapse
Has Hulu, or a thousand other content distributors considered IPv6? Because you can't even tunnel to ipv4 without setting off VPN alarms with HULU. On 19 January 2018 at 18:38, Andrew Kirch wrote: > On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 4:59 PM Ryan Gard wrote: > > > We're on the hunt yet again for an addi

Re: Leasing /22

2018-01-19 Thread Andrew Kirch
On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 4:59 PM Ryan Gard wrote: > We're on the hunt yet again for an additional /22 to lease, and are > wondering what the best options are out there? > > Our usual suspects that we've reached out to in the past seem to be plum > out... Any recommendations? > > Thanks! > > -- > R

Re: Leasing /22

2018-01-19 Thread Mel Beckman
No, nanog.org is a trade association. -mel via cell > On Jan 19, 2018, at 2:34 PM, Michael Crapse wrote: > > We got ours from logicweb, but all the IPs originated from AfriNIC and were > blacklisted in several different places. > >> On 19 January 2018 at 14:57, Ryan Gard wrote: >> >> We're

Re: Leasing /22

2018-01-19 Thread Michael Crapse
We got ours from logicweb, but all the IPs originated from AfriNIC and were blacklisted in several different places. On 19 January 2018 at 14:57, Ryan Gard wrote: > We're on the hunt yet again for an additional /22 to lease, and are > wondering what the best options are out there? > > Our usual

Re: China is beefing up filtering measures

2018-01-19 Thread Bryan Fields
On 1/19/18 9:09 AM, Youssef Bengelloun-Zahr wrote: > I'm trying to understand exactly what we might be dealing with here. Evil. -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net

Leasing /22

2018-01-19 Thread Ryan Gard
We're on the hunt yet again for an additional /22 to lease, and are wondering what the best options are out there? Our usual suspects that we've reached out to in the past seem to be plum out... Any recommendations? Thanks! -- Ryan Gard

Weekly Routing Table Report

2018-01-19 Thread Routing Analysis Role Account
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. The posting is sent to APOPS, NANOG, AfNOG, SANOG, PacNOG, SAFNOG, CaribNOG TZNOG, MENOG, BJNOG, SDNOG, CMNOG, LACNOG, IRNOG and the RIPE Routing WG. Daily listings are sen

Re: MTU to CDN's

2018-01-19 Thread Radu-Adrian Feurdean
On Fri, Jan 19, 2018, at 01:14, Jared Mauch wrote: > If you’re then doing DSL + PPPoE and your customers really see a MTU > of 1492 or less, then another device has to fragment 5x again. In this part of the world we have even worse stuff around: PPP over L2TP over over IP with 1500 MTU interconne

Re: MTU to CDN's

2018-01-19 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 9:07 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Wouldn't those situations be causing issues now, given the likelihood that > someone with a less than 1,500 byte MTU is communicating with you now? Hi Mike, They do. These are the people calling your support line with the complaint that the

Re: MTU to CDN's

2018-01-19 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 19 janvier 2018 08:07 -0600, Mike Hammett  : > Wouldn't those situations be causing issues now, given the likelihood > that someone with a less than 1,500 byte MTU is communicating with you > now? Those situations are causing issues now. If you have a MTU less than 1500 bytes, it is likely som

Re: MTU to CDN's

2018-01-19 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 8:58 AM, Jared Mauch wrote: >> On Jan 18, 2018, at 8:44 PM, William Herrin wrote: >>> Which packet? Is there a specific CDN that does this? I’d be curious to >>> see >>> data vs speculation. >> >> Path MTU discovery (which sets the DF bit on TCP packets) is enabled >> b

Re: MTU to CDN's

2018-01-19 Thread Olivier Benghozi
And also: When the router generates the ICMP by punting the packet to its CPU and such traffic is - legitimately - rate-limited to avoir crashing the router. When the ICMP is sourced by a private IP on the router for various legitimate reasons (not enough public IPv4 addresses, from within a VR

Re: MTU to CDN's

2018-01-19 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 8:48 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Other than people improperly blocking ICMP, when does PMTUD not work? > Honest question, not troll. > Hi Mike, One common scenario: the router's interface is numbered with an RFC 1918 private IP address. The packet is dropped because it tri

Re: MTU to CDN's

2018-01-19 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Fri, 19 Jan 2018, Mike Hammett wrote: Wouldn't those situations be causing issues now, given the likelihood that someone with a less than 1,500 byte MTU is communicating with you now? If the issue is that you're letting 8996 byte packets through but not 9000 byte packets, then no. -- Mi

Re: MTU to CDN's

2018-01-19 Thread Mike Hammett
"Many folks these days just fail away from a seemingly problematic link quickly and don’t always identify the root cause." Agreed. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Jared M

Re: MTU to CDN's

2018-01-19 Thread Jared Mauch
> On Jan 19, 2018, at 9:07 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > Wouldn't those situations be causing issues now, given the likelihood that > someone with a less than 1,500 byte MTU is communicating with you now? > Tends to be more localized and less visible in many cases. I’m aware of at least one

Re: MTU to CDN's

2018-01-19 Thread Ruairi Carroll
On 19 January 2018 at 13:48, Mike Hammett wrote: > Other than people improperly blocking ICMP, when does PMTUD not work? > Honest question, not troll. > > It can break under _certain_ scenarios with Anycast. It can break under _certain_ scenarios in v6 with ECMP. It can break across an LB in L4

China is beefing up filtering measures

2018-01-19 Thread Youssef Bengelloun-Zahr
Dear Nanogers, By now, I'm pretty that the community has heard that china is planning to increase (once again) filtering measures by limiting ports 80 / 443 / 8080 : https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/7opv4f/china_to_block_sdwan_and_vpn_traffic_by_jan_11/ https://www.goldenfrog.com/blog/art

Re: MTU to CDN's

2018-01-19 Thread Mike Hammett
Wouldn't those situations be causing issues now, given the likelihood that someone with a less than 1,500 byte MTU is communicating with you now? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message -

Re: MTU to CDN's

2018-01-19 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Fri, 19 Jan 2018, Mike Hammett wrote: Other than people improperly blocking ICMP, when does PMTUD not work? Honest question, not troll. Mismatch of MTU interface settings between interfaces, mismatch of MTU between L3 devices and intermediate L2 devices, anycast services, ECMP based servi

Re: MTU to CDN's

2018-01-19 Thread Jared Mauch
Bah, never mind.. reading my PCAP wrong :-( > On Jan 19, 2018, at 8:58 AM, Jared Mauch wrote: > > > >> On Jan 18, 2018, at 8:44 PM, William Herrin wrote: >> >>> Which packet? Is there a specific CDN that does this? I’d be curious to >>> see >>> data vs speculation. >> >> Howdy, >> >> P

Re: MTU to CDN's

2018-01-19 Thread Jared Mauch
> On Jan 18, 2018, at 8:44 PM, William Herrin wrote: > >> Which packet? Is there a specific CDN that does this? I’d be curious to see >> data vs speculation. > > Howdy, > > Path MTU discovery (which sets the DF bit on TCP packets) is enabled > by default on -every- operating system that's s

Re: MTU to CDN's

2018-01-19 Thread Mike Hammett
Other than people improperly blocking ICMP, when does PMTUD not work? Honest question, not troll. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Mikael Abrahamsson" To: "Michael Craps

Peering Forum LAC: Call for Presentations

2018-01-19 Thread Arturo Servin
The Latin American and Caribbean Peering Forum LACPF-2018 will be held in Panama City, Panama on the April 30th, 2018. The goal of the LACPF is to promote and provide collaboration spaces in topics related to interconnection and peering, IXPs, CDNs, transport capacity, and colo facilities among oth