Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?)

On 29/May/18 04:55, Matthew Petach wrote: > > Math.^_^; > > 1GB of volume over the course of a month is 3kb/sec sustained > throughput over the month. (10*8/(86400*30)) > > $5 per 3kbit/sec means that 155mbit link would cost...$251,100/month. >

Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?)

On 29/May/18 04:24, John R. Levine wrote: >   > > Nonetheless, Safaricom sells entirely usable data plans.  A one day > 1GB bundle on a prepaid SIM costs about $1, a monthly 1GB costs about > $5.  They have 4G, it works, I've used it. > > What do they know that Telegeography (who made that

Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?)

On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 7:24 PM, John R. Levine wrote: > In article gmail.com>, > Matthew Petach wrote: > >> Your 200mbit/sec link that costs you $300 in hardware >> is going to cost you $4960/month to actually get IP traffic >> across, in Nairobi. Yes, that's about $60,000/year. >> > >

Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?)

I am sure these third world nations have more important things to spend their money on rather than data plans and data devices. Things like food and medicine come to mind... In none of the Starving Children in Africa commercials have I ever seen anyone with a smart phone... It appears Nairobi

Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?)

In article , Matthew Petach wrote: Your 200mbit/sec link that costs you $300 in hardware is going to cost you $4960/month to actually get IP traffic across, in Nairobi. Yes, that's about $60,000/year. Nonetheless, Safaricom sells entirely usable data plans. A one day 1GB bundle on a

Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?)

--- mpet...@netflight.com wrote: From: Matthew Petach On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 11:22 AM, Ben Cannon wrote: > I’m sorry I simply believe that in 2018 with the advanced and cheap ptp > radio (ubiquiti anyone? $300 and I have a 200mbit/sec link over 10miles! > Spend a bit more and go 100km) plus

Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?)

On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 11:22 AM, Ben Cannon wrote: > I’m sorry I simply believe that in 2018 with the advanced and cheap ptp > radio (ubiquiti anyone? $300 and I have a 200mbit/sec link over 10miles! > Spend a bit more and go 100km) plus the advancements in cubesats about to > be launched, even

Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?)

I know the fixed wireless space quite well. If there's no Internet to be had, it doesn't matter how quickly you can distribute it. He did say that (for whatever reason), relaying off of mountain-top sites to get to better connectivity wasn't a viable option. The yet-to-be-deployed satellite

Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?)

Once you become sensitized to the HTTPS warnings because www.dickandfartjokes.com needlessly has SSL (or your printer or switch's management interface for those of us not needing to proxy SSL traffic), you now no longer notice that your bank isn't secure. Being hyper-sensitive about SSL causes

Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?)

I’m sorry I simply believe that in 2018 with the advanced and cheap ptp radio (ubiquiti anyone? $300 and I have a 200mbit/sec link over 10miles! Spend a bit more and go 100km) plus the advancements in cubesats about to be launched, even the 3rd world can simply get with the times. -Ben > On

Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?)

To be fair, most of the conversation is people not realizing the OP is in a third world country and believe that 1 mbit/s isn't enough for a single user much less a village. https://www.facebook.com/groups/ubntedgeos/permalink/1046305928855488/ Also, I think it's 40 kilotbit/s per user (so

Re: Whois vs GDPR, latest news

> > This is really off-topic for NANOG. Is there a better place where this > discussion can be found? ISIPP hosts several email groups where this conversation would be appropriate. Anybody who would like to continue the conversation there is welcome to ping me offlist requesting to join

Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?)

On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 1:55 PM, Keith Medcalf wrote: > > >I'm also not foolish enough to think this thread will affect the > >encrypt-everything crowd as it is more of a religion\ideology than a > >practical matter. However, maybe it'll shed some light on technical > >ways of dealing with this

Re: Whois vs GDPR, latest news

> On May 27, 2018, at 3:19 AM, Michel 'ic' Luczak wrote: > > Still on ec.europa.eu they seem to try to reassure > SMEs that the penalties will be “proportionate” both to the nature of the > infringement and to the size to the company. It also seem to largely be >

RE: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?)

>I'm also not foolish enough to think this thread will affect the >encrypt-everything crowd as it is more of a religion\ideology than a >practical matter. However, maybe it'll shed some light on technical >ways of dealing with this at the service-provider level or plant some >doubt in someone's

Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?)

In addition to the "bump in the wire" you could also enable larger frame sizes downstream since you're already completely disassembling and reassembling the packets. Large downloads or uploads could see overhead go from 3% at 1500B to about 0.5% at 9100B. It's not much but every little bit counts.

RE: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?)

Look at the Steam cache project, the generic downloader can also cache Windows Updates and most gaming services. I imagine Windows Updates would eat a lot of traffic. https://github.com/steamcache From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, May 28,

Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?)

The "do not search a culprit" stuff: What is the point with encryption ? If your users have a very-low bandwidth, they will get a crappy service, with or without encryption This is our world, our http-based internet is NOT made for a 40k connection The "tip stuff": If you simply do not care

Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?)

On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 10:50 AM, Andrey Khomyakov wrote: > My understanding is that some enterprises do decrypt traffic in flight with > proxies such as bluecoat, though I'm not sure on the particulars of how > that works. PCs within the enterprise contain an

Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?)

On 05/28/2018 08:23 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: To circle back to being somewhat on-topic, what mechanisms are available to maximize the amount of traffic someone in this situation could cache? The performance of third-world Internet depends on you. I've personally played with Squid's

Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?)

I can't imagine rural third-country villages have much influence over the departments of the appropriate companies to affect all of the junk getting added to sites these days. I'm also not foolish enough to think this thread will affect the encrypt-everything crowd as it is more of a

Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?)

The increase in the subscriber base increases the likelihood of visiting the same content and thus the benefit. Before HTTPS-everywhere, caching was hugely beneficial. Currently they are making do with 40 kilobit/s, so it's certainly possible to Internet at that level. Just looking at ways

Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?)

Dne 28. 5. 2018 v 17:00 Rich Kulawiec napsal(a): On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 09:23:09AM -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: Some things certainly do need to be encrypted, but encrypting everything means people with limited Internet access get worse performance OR mechanisms have to be out in place to break

Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?)

On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 09:23:09AM -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: > Some things certainly do need to be encrypted, but encrypting everything > means people with limited Internet access get worse performance OR > mechanisms have to be out in place to break ALL encryption, this > compromising security

Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?)

That is super interesting. While one can Internet fine at 5Mbps (save for streaming UHD movies maybe), I am not convinced 1Mbps can be successfully shared even if there was no encryption anywhere. My understanding is that some enterprises do decrypt traffic in flight with proxies such as bluecoat,

Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?)

Turn off _javascript_ on the clients. The wastage from downloading even a single copy of react.js is sufficient to fetch dozens of Wikipedia pages, repeatedly. 

Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?)

Has anyone outside of tech media, Silicon Valley or academia (all places wildly out of touch with the real world) put much thought into the impacts of encryption everywhere? So often we hear about how we need the best modern encryption on all forms of communication because of whatever scary