Re: netflix OCA in a CG-NAT world

2018-11-25 Thread Dave Temkin
Not exactly. You don't need to advertise the RFC1918 to the OCA - just make sure you advertise the CGN prefix to it, and make sure that the OCA's default gateway knows how to reach the RFC1918 clients. So long as the "outside" IP of your CGN is advertised to the OCA (the IP that clients who would

Re: netflix OCA in a CG-NAT world

2018-11-25 Thread Aaron1
Thanks Dave, so my local OCA will listen to my BGP advertisements for RFC1918 prefixes if I decided to advertise them? Aaron > On Nov 25, 2018, at 10:47 PM, Dave Temkin wrote: > > FWIW (reviving an old thread)- > > Putting an OCA with bypass through the CGN with RFC1918 space will actually

Re: netflix OCA in a CG-NAT world

2018-11-25 Thread Dave Temkin
FWIW (reviving an old thread)- Putting an OCA with bypass through the CGN with RFC1918 space will actually work just fine. We (Netflix) don't formally support it because of the vast number of non-standard CGN implementations out there, but if your clients are in RFC1918 space and the next hop

Re: Cheap switch with a couple 100G

2018-11-25 Thread Mike Hammett
An acceptable alternative would be a cheap muxponder to take say 2x40 + 2x10 and stuff it into a 100G. Fiberstore used to have one, but don't seem to carry it anymore. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com -

OpenDNS Issue (US Cali or West Coast?)

2018-11-25 Thread Ray Van Dolson
Getting issues from west-coast US clients trying to access services like O365, Yahoo, GMail, etc. east-coast US doesn't seem to have the same issue. DNS servers are: 208.67.222.222 208.67.220.220 Switching to Google (8.8.8.8) fixes the issue. Anyone else seeing this? Ray PS: Also posted to

Re: RPKI publication

2018-11-25 Thread Jeff McAdams
Thanks, but as I mentioned, I've got the validation/relying party side pretty well covered which is what Routinator is. I'm looking for options for running a delegated CA and potentially providing a publishing point. -- Jeff On November 25, 2018 5:45:21 PM EST, Michael Gehrmann wrote: >Hi

Re: Cheap switch with a couple 100G

2018-11-25 Thread Baldur Norddahl
The MX204 can split each 100G port into 4x10G. Why not 4x25G ? This would give you 16x 25G which seems quite reasonable. Regards Baldur søn. 25. nov. 2018 23.43 skrev Tom Hill : > On 25/11/2018 22:38, Aled Morris wrote: > > Juniper have launched a Trident based switch with 48 x 25G ports (the

Cheap switch with a couple 100G

2018-11-25 Thread Tom Hill
On 25/11/2018 22:38, Aled Morris wrote: > Juniper have launched a Trident based switch with 48 x 25G ports (the > QFX5120-48Y.) I very specifically said "Juniper MX". ;) -- Tom

Re: Cheap switch with a couple 100G

2018-11-25 Thread Aled Morris via NANOG
On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 at 21:42, Tom Hill wrote: > Chicken & egg: someone has to move first... And I don't see the ASR9k > and Juniper MX BUs rushing to support 25 & 50G. > Juniper have launched a Trident based switch with 48 x 25G ports (the QFX5120-48Y.) But I agree the commercials aren't as

Re: Cheap switch with a couple 100G

2018-11-25 Thread Mike Hammett
FS has reasonable pricing on their amplification systems for DWDM. The problem in the states is the dark fiber consolidation, so it's difficult to find someone that'll sell it to you. Those that do, charge astronomically for it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: Cheap switch with a couple 100G

2018-11-25 Thread Tom Hill
On 25/11/2018 21:52, Ben Cannon wrote: > Single Wavelength Coherent or 4x10g coherent? SFP28... So 1x25G, and direct detect. > Actually FS has SFP28 CWDM optics (1270-1330) available but they are > not up on the website, just as an FYI. Missed that original mail, Tony. Good to know, thank

Re: Cheap switch with a couple 100G

2018-11-25 Thread Tom Hill
On 25/11/2018 21:43, Ben Cannon wrote: > At this point, with 400g coherent in production never mind long-haul > testing; why bother lighting with anything slower than 100g coherent, > especially at essentially the same price. It just makes no sense. > It got skipped. We’re better for it IMO.

Re: Cheap switch with a couple 100G

2018-11-25 Thread Ben Cannon
Single Wavelength Coherent or 4x10g coherent? - Ben Cannon, AS15206 > On Nov 25, 2018, at 1:50 PM, Tony Wicks wrote: > > Actually FS has SFP28 CWDM optics (1270-1330) available but they are not up > on the website, just as an FYI. > > -Original Message- > From: NANOG On Behalf Of Tom

RE: Cheap switch with a couple 100G

2018-11-25 Thread Tony Wicks
Actually FS has SFP28 CWDM optics (1270-1330) available but they are not up on the website, just as an FYI. -Original Message- From: NANOG On Behalf Of Tom Hill Sent: Monday, 26 November 2018 10:41 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Cheap switch with a couple 100G On 25/11/2018 21:22,

Re: Cheap switch with a couple 100G

2018-11-25 Thread Ben Cannon
At this point, with 400g coherent in production never mind long-haul testing; why bother lighting with anything slower than 100g coherent, especially at essentially the same price. It just makes no sense. It got skipped. We’re better for it IMO. - Ben Cannon, AS15206 > On Nov 25, 2018, at

Re: Cheap switch with a couple 100G

2018-11-25 Thread Tom Hill
On 25/11/2018 21:22, Baldur Norddahl wrote: > If it is passive, you could tell them it is for 10G but use it for 25G? The mux isn't the problem, it's that there aren't SFP28 optics commonly available in C/DWDM wavelengths. Yet. If they were, well maybe... ... However, your trouble then is that

Re: Cheap switch with a couple 100G

2018-11-25 Thread Mike Hammett
Used Cisco Nexus 93180YC (oh, I guess New, sorry, it was on eBay, so I assumed used) is about $6,500, though I've heard they go down to $4k from time to time. So then maybe that's the problem... not enough used 100G gear out there yet to make it affordable... leaving 40G as the biggest

Re: Cheap switch with a couple 100G

2018-11-25 Thread Baldur Norddahl
If it is passive, you could tell them it is for 10G but use it for 25G? søn. 25. nov. 2018 19.32 skrev Tom Hill : > On 25/11/2018 18:16, Mike Hammett wrote: > > I haven't seen anyone selling 25G or 50G transport. > > > That's because, in active transport at least, 100G makes far more sense. > >

Re: Cheap switch with a couple 100G

2018-11-25 Thread Fredrik Korsbäck
On 2018-11-25 21:16, Mike Hammett wrote: > No, not new. No need to buy new switches when there are so many used > available (except for now needing 100G). Switches > have an extremely long life. I have a client that has 15 year old Foundry > switches that just work, though we're looking > to

Re: Cheap switch with a couple 100G

2018-11-25 Thread Brandon Martin
On 11/25/18 3:06 PM, Colton Conor wrote: Arista 7050sx I've seen these and their friends on the fleabay for about $1000 in working condition. It does happen, though I'd not say you can just drop in and BIN one any time any day. I picked up a Ruckus/Arris ICX7650 with 40G module (so 2x

Re: Cheap switch with a couple 100G

2018-11-25 Thread Mike Hammett
No, not new. No need to buy new switches when there are so many used available (except for now needing 100G). Switches have an extremely long life. I have a client that has 15 year old Foundry switches that just work, though we're looking to replace them to get some 10G ports. The pricing was

Re: Cheap switch with a couple 100G

2018-11-25 Thread Colton Conor
Mike, Are you saying that you can buy a new Cisco Nexus 3064 or Arista 7050sx for $1,000 new from these vendors, or are you talking about used stuff on eBay? If you are comparing to used stuff on ebay pricing good luck. I doubt you will find many used 100G switches as they are too new of a

Re: Cheap switch with a couple 100G

2018-11-25 Thread Tom Hill
On 25/11/2018 18:59, Mike Hammett wrote: > It wouldn't be hard to do any standard wavelength, really. They just > need an appropriate mux. I'm really not sure that your statement makes sense by itself. -- Tom

Re: Cheap switch with a couple 100G

2018-11-25 Thread Mike Hammett
It wouldn't be hard to do any standard wavelength, really. They just need an appropriate mux. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Tom Hill" To: nanog@nanog.org Sent:

Re: Cheap switch with a couple 100G

2018-11-25 Thread Ben Cannon
That’s because the DWDM solutions (at least the good ones, wisely) use single-wavelength 100Ghz coherent light (like, you know, normal optics from the rest of history), and do not play this 4x25g lane splitting game. Unfortunately they are still quite expensive and physically large, smallest I

Re: Cheap switch with a couple 100G

2018-11-25 Thread Tom Hill
On 25/11/2018 18:16, Mike Hammett wrote: > I haven't seen anyone selling 25G or 50G transport. That's because, in active transport at least, 100G makes far more sense. You may start seeing passive 25G WDM soon. Finisar have a DWDM tunable, I believe. -- Tom

Re: Cheap switch with a couple 100G

2018-11-25 Thread Mike Hammett
I haven't seen anyone selling 25G or 50G transport. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Saku Ytti" To: "Mike Hammett" Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018

Re: Cheap switch with a couple 100G

2018-11-25 Thread Mike Hammett
I don't need 32 of them, though. 2 - 6 would be fine, 4 - 6 would be ideal. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "joel jaeggli" To: "Mike Hammett" Cc: "North American

Re: Cheap switch with a couple 100G

2018-11-25 Thread Mike Hammett
No. Cisco Nexus 3064, Arista 7050sx, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Chuck Church" To: "Mike Hammett" , "North American Network Operators' Group" Sent:

Re: Internet diameter?

2018-11-25 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 8:48 PM Hal Murray < hgm+na...@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net> wrote: > > Keith Medcalf said: > > "just static content" would be more accurate ... > > and using http rather than https > > > There were many attempts at this by Johhny-cum-lately ISPs back in the > 90's >

RE: Cheap switch with a couple 100G

2018-11-25 Thread Chuck Church
Under 1K for 48 10G ports? Are you missing a decimal place? Chuck -Original Message- From: NANOG On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 9:39 AM To: 'North American Network Operators' Group' Subject: Cheap switch with a couple 100G I keep hearing how cheap 100G is

Re: Cheap switch with a couple 100G

2018-11-25 Thread Saku Ytti
The argument should be 50G is cheaper than 40G. Because serdes is 25G typically, you get 25, 50, 100 without gearboxes and retimers, so less pincount, less thermal, higher density, lower cost. But BOM impact to pricing isn't high anyhow, unless we're talking about massive port counts. If box

Cheap switch with a couple 100G

2018-11-25 Thread Mike Hammett
I keep hearing how cheap 100G is compared to 40G and it doesn't seem to hold true. Prove me wrong. Cisco Nexus and Arista both have switches with 48x 10G ports and 2x - 6x 40G ports for under $1k. Swap those 40G for 100G and you're at $5k - $7k. Am I missing some cheap switches with 100G? I