Re: Stupid Question maybe?

2018-12-19 Thread Joe
Just wanted to say thanks to all for responses about the information on this! Extremely informative and helpful. Have a great holiday and happy new year! -Joe >

Re: JunOS Fusion Provider Edge

2018-12-19 Thread Mehmet Akcin
thank you this is very useful to know Mehmet On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 1:46 AM James Bensley wrote: > Hi Mehmet, > > This has been discussed on the Juniper-NSP list several times, here's > a couple of examples: > > https://puck.nether.net/pipermail/juniper-nsp/2018-November/036673.html > https://

Re: Stupid Question maybe?

2018-12-19 Thread Baldur Norddahl
> > > I remember working on a SGI Unix workstation, where you simply could not specify netmask. It was implicated by the class of address. This meant that there were only three possible netmasks. If that was how the first IP implementations started out, we had contiguous netmasks at the beginning.

RE: Stupid Question maybe?

2018-12-19 Thread David Edelman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 You could be sure of two things when there were ambiguities in the routing tables: 1- Every manufacturer knew how to handle them. 2 - Every manufacturer did it a different way. I suspect that in most cases where two conflicting route entries existed

Re: Stupid Question maybe?

2018-12-19 Thread valdis . kletnieks
On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 21:11:39 +0100, Thomas Bellman said: > On 2018-12-19 20:47 MET, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > > There was indeed a fairly long stretch of time (until the CIDR RFC came out > > and > > specifically said it wasn't at all canon) where we didn't have an RFC that > > specifically

Re: Stupid Question maybe?

2018-12-19 Thread Owen DeLong
> On Dec 19, 2018, at 12:11 , Thomas Bellman wrote: > > On 2018-12-19 20:47 MET, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > >> There was indeed a fairly long stretch of time (until the CIDR RFC came out >> and >> specifically said it wasn't at all canon) where we didn't have an RFC that >> specificall

Re: Stupid Question maybe?

2018-12-19 Thread Thomas Bellman
On 2018-12-19 21:28 MET, William Herrin wrote: > Easy: .97 matches neither one because 64 & 97 !=0 and 32 & 97 != 0. > That's a 0 that has to match at the end of the 10.20.30. D'oh! Sorry, I got that wrong. (Trying to battle 10+% packet loss at home and a just upgraded Thunderbird at the same t

Re: Stupid Question maybe?

2018-12-19 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 12:12 PM Thomas Bellman wrote: > On 2018-12-19 20:47 MET, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > > There was indeed a fairly long stretch of time (until the CIDR RFC came out > > and > > specifically said it wasn't at all canon) where we didn't have an RFC that > > specifically

Re: Stupid Question maybe?

2018-12-19 Thread Thomas Bellman
On 2018-12-19 20:47 MET, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > There was indeed a fairly long stretch of time (until the CIDR RFC came out > and > specifically said it wasn't at all canon) where we didn't have an RFC that > specifically said that netmask bits had to be contiguous. How did routers sel

Re: Stupid Question maybe?

2018-12-19 Thread valdis . kletnieks
On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 17:12:45 -0500, "David Edelman" said: > I seem to remember that before the advent of VLSM and CIDR there was no > requirement for the 1 bits in the netmask to be contiguous with no intervening > 0 bits and there was always someone who tested it out on a production network > just

Re: Salesmen: ARIN Records are NOT Leads

2018-12-19 Thread Tom Beecher
I got to a point a few years ago that anyone who finds my contact info anywhere on the internet and wants to sell me something is going to spam me, and there's nothing I can do about it. I just utilize the blocking / ignore functions of $platform and go about my day. At one time I did have a devio

Re: Salesmen: ARIN Records are NOT Leads

2018-12-19 Thread M . Ömer GÖLGELİ
Gee... It seems like NTT sales people are not doing a good job as well as Cogent does since I've yet to see anyone getting calls or mails from them. Only Cogent contacts most for the moment, at least in the EU part of the world. And only mails and calls for the moment M. On 19 Dec 2018 21:08, Ross

Re: Salesmen: ARIN Records are NOT Leads

2018-12-19 Thread Ross Tajvar
After setting up my ASN, I received unsolicited emails from NTT and calls from Cogent. Fortunately I haven't gotten anything (or at least anything that I noticed) on LinkedIn. On Wed, Dec 19, 2018, 12:58 PM Brielle Bruns On 12/19/2018 9:58 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 09:4

Re: Network Atlas End of Year 2018 Update

2018-12-19 Thread Mehmet Akcin
Thank you everyone for following up offlist with their feedback and recommendations. I truly appreciate this. I am creating a FAQ section in www.networkatlas.org now as it seemed like several areas needed to be clarified. What is Network Atlas? it's a very good question and I want to open that lit

Re: Salesmen: ARIN Records are NOT Leads

2018-12-19 Thread Brielle Bruns
On 12/19/2018 9:58 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 09:49:29AM -0700, Brielle Bruns wrote: Every time I post to NANOG, I get multiple LinkedIn link requests or e-mails about selling my excess gear. It's getting old real quick. I recommend: Connect:linkedin.comERRO

Re: How to choose a transport(terrestrial/subsea)

2018-12-19 Thread Ben Cannon
More likely everyone bought IRUs out of the same ILEC’s single cable. Or they just all go through the same single raceway to enter the building, etc. -Ben. - Ben Cannon, AS15206 > On Dec 19, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Rod Beck wrote: > > Some of it is due to lazy buyers purchasing two IP ports from di

Re: How to choose a transport(terrestrial/subsea)

2018-12-19 Thread Rod Beck
Some of it is due to lazy buyers purchasing two IP ports from distinct companies without considring that two ports both located at the site are vulnerable to shared risers or entrance facilities. - R. From: NANOG on behalf of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, D

Re: How to choose a transport(terrestrial/subsea)

2018-12-19 Thread Rod Beck
The Trans-Atlantic cables, particularly on the UK side, probably lack physical diversity. The landings at Bude probably share back haul. The cost of each cable digging its own trench was quite high. - R. From: NANOG on behalf of Mehmet Akcin Sent: Tuesday

Re: Salesmen: ARIN Records are NOT Leads

2018-12-19 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 09:49:29AM -0700, Brielle Bruns wrote: > Every time I post to NANOG, I get multiple LinkedIn link requests or e-mails > about selling my excess gear. It's getting old real quick. I recommend: Connect:linkedin.comERROR:5.7.1:"550 Mail refused" From:link

Re: Salesmen: ARIN Records are NOT Leads

2018-12-19 Thread Brielle Bruns
On 12/19/2018 8:53 AM, Kushal wrote: There are many Tier 1s doing it and they have moved to LinkedIn these days instead of emails. Can confirm that one. I've stopped being nice in my responses. Every time I post to NANOG, I get multiple LinkedIn link requests or e-mails about selling my exc

RE: Stupid Question maybe?

2018-12-19 Thread Naslund, Steve
>Why do you think the network portion needs to be contiguous? Just because some equipment at one time let you configure a non-contiguous mask does not make it correct configuration. Please come up with any valid use case for a non-contiguous network (note NETWORK, not any other purpose) mask.

Re: Stupid Question maybe?

2018-12-19 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
Why do you think the network portion needs to be contiguous? Well, it does now. But that was not always the case. https://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-subnet-mask-255-255-255-64-invalid/answer/Patrick-W-Gilmore https://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-subnet-mask-255-255-255-64-invalid -- TTFN, patrick >

Re: historical Bogon lists

2018-12-19 Thread alessandro . improta
Yes, we got data from Jan 1st, 2018 to Oct 10th, 2018. Happy to share as long as Team Cymru’s is ok with it too! Ale Il 2018-12-19 16:35 M. Omer GOLGELI ha scritto: I think Alessandro Isolario Project may be of help completing the missing data where you fell short. M. --- On 2018-12-19 18:

Re: Salesmen: ARIN Records are NOT Leads

2018-12-19 Thread Kushal
There are many Tier 1s doing it and they have moved to LinkedIn these days instead of emails. -- Kushal R Chief Executive | Host4Geeks site: host4geeks.com email: kusha...@h4g.co skype: kush.raha On 19 December 2018 at 8:55:31 PM, Antonios Chariton (daknob@gmail.com

Re: historical Bogon lists

2018-12-19 Thread M. Omer GOLGELI
I think Alessandro Isolario Project may be of help completing the missing data where you fell short. M. --- On 2018-12-19 18:07, Alberto Dainotti wrote: Hi all, CAIDA has been collecting Team Cymru’s bogon list from 2013-09-18 to 2018-03-23. Unfortunately we just noticed the script hasn’t b

Re: historical Bogon lists

2018-12-19 Thread David Bass
I think Git would be the perfect solution...would definitely appreciate it. On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 12:01 PM Rabbi Rob Thomas wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > Dear Tom, > > > I wonder if there's value in having the lists that Team Cymru > > generates auto pushed to

Re: Salesmen: ARIN Records are NOT Leads

2018-12-19 Thread Antonios Chariton
There’s certainly a Tier-1 doing it for RIPE, every time a new AS is registered for example.. I imagine it’s the same in ARIN too.. > On 19 Dec 2018, at 16:57, John Curran wrote: > > On 19 Dec 2018, at 10:41 AM, Izaac wrote: >> >> Just a reminder. > > Izaac - > > Feel free to note that com

Re: Stupid Question maybe?

2018-12-19 Thread William Allen Simpson
On 12/18/18 8:38 PM, Fred Baker wrote: On Dec 19, 2018, at 3:50 AM, Brian Kantor wrote: /24 is certainly cleaner than 255.255.255.0. I seem to remember it was Phil Karn who in the early 80's suggested that expressing subnet masks as the number of bits from the top end of the address word was e

Re: historical Bogon lists

2018-12-19 Thread Alberto Dainotti
Hi all, CAIDA has been collecting Team Cymru’s bogon list from 2013-09-18 to 2018-03-23. Unfortunately we just noticed the script hasn’t been working since then but we just fixed it and restarted it. We’re happy to share the data as long as Team Cymru’s is ok with it. Cheers, Alberto PS I thin

Re: Salesmen: ARIN Records are NOT Leads

2018-12-19 Thread John Curran
On 19 Dec 2018, at 10:41 AM, Izaac wrote: > > Just a reminder. Izaac - Feel free to note that companies involved and forward the message to me… ARIN does pursue misuse of Whois information for marketing purposes. Thanks! /John John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Num

RE: Stupid Question maybe?

2018-12-19 Thread Naslund, Steve
I am wondering how a netmask could be not contiguous when the network portion of the address must be contiguous. I suppose a bit mask could certainly be anything you want but a netmask specifically identifies the network portion of an address. Steve > I seem to remember that before the advent

Salesmen: ARIN Records are NOT Leads

2018-12-19 Thread Izaac
Just a reminder. Grrr. -- . ___ ___ . . ___ . \/ |\ |\ \ . _\_ /__ |-\ |-\ \__

Re: How to choose a transport(terrestrial/subsea)

2018-12-19 Thread Mike Hammett
If people start spot-checking this stuff more regularly, perhaps the companies being verified will take delivering the correct product the first time more seriously. Some of it boils down to a lack of data quality about what they actually have. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing So

Re: Stupid Question maybe?

2018-12-19 Thread t...@pelican.org
On Tuesday, 18 December, 2018 22:43, "Brandon Martin" said: > This is a favorite interview type question of mine, but I won't > disqualify a candidate if they can't come up with the reason. It's more > of a probe for historical domain knowledge (one of many I'll slip in). It's an interestin

Re: JunOS Fusion Provider Edge

2018-12-19 Thread James Bensley
Hi Mehmet, This has been discussed on the Juniper-NSP list several times, here's a couple of examples: https://puck.nether.net/pipermail/juniper-nsp/2018-November/036673.html https://puck.nether.net/pipermail/juniper-nsp/2018-April/035397.html https://puck.nether.net/pipermail/juniper-nsp/2016-Ju

Re: historical Bogon lists

2018-12-19 Thread alessandro . improta
Hello Rob, IMHO another option is to set up a local BGP daemon (e.g. Quagga, ICE) peering with your bogon route server project and dump bogon information regularly in MRT like route collectors are doing. So folks can select the RIB snapshot they prefer in time and (in case) study the evolut