Re: CenturyLink

2018-12-28 Thread Patrick Boyle via NANOG
Looks like we lost sync intermittently across several of their servers last 
night. Cleared up around midnight mountain for me.

Let's chip in and get some carrier diversity for those guys :)


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On Friday, December 28, 2018 4:23 PM, Yang Yu  wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 12:05 AM Stephane Bortzmeyer bortzme...@nic.fr wrote:
>
> > Is this problem also responsible for the 911 outage? If so, the
> > post-mortem analysis is not useful only for CenturyLink customers but
> > for everyone on the west coast.
>
> Looks like mosttime.nist.gov servers (3 x NIST sites on AS49) are
> single homed on CenturyLink, anyone noticed NTP issues yesterday?
>
> https://tf.nist.gov/tf-cgi/servers.cgi




Re: CenturyLink

2018-12-28 Thread Yang Yu
On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 12:05 AM Stephane Bortzmeyer  wrote:
> Is this problem also responsible for the 911 outage? If so, the
> post-mortem analysis is not useful only for CenturyLink customers but
> for everyone on the west coast.

Looks like most time.nist.gov servers (3 x NIST sites on AS49) are
single homed on CenturyLink, anyone noticed NTP issues yesterday?

https://tf.nist.gov/tf-cgi/servers.cgi


Re: CenturyLink...is being investigated by the FCC

2018-12-28 Thread Patrick Boyle via NANOG
Ouch. Feel bad for the guys on the ground at C-link. Not a fun 24 hours.


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On Friday, December 28, 2018 3:17 PM, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. 
 wrote:

> And the other latest news is that the FCC is investigating the CenturyLink 
> outage:
>
> https://www.theinternetpatrol.com/fcc-investigating-centurylink-outage-says-unacceptable/
>
> > On Dec 28, 2018, at 3:11 PM, Patrick Boyle via NANOG nanog@nanog.org wrote:
> > Yes, there were 911 services affected. The latest word from C-link as of 
> > 1:46PM mountain is that all 911 services are restored where they are the 
> > provider. I'm not 100% sure if that's system-wide, or just my area in the 
> > northwest, however.
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> > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> > On Friday, December 28, 2018 1:03 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer bortzme...@nic.fr 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 07:07:42AM +,
> > > Erik Sundberg esundb...@nitelusa.com wrote
> > > a message of 131 lines which said:
> > >
> > > > CenturyLink will be conducting an extensive post-incident
> > > > investigation and root cause analysis to provide follow-up
> > > > information to our customers
> > >
> > > Is this problem also responsible for the 911 outage? If so, the
> > > post-mortem analysis is not useful only for CenturyLink customers but
> > > for everyone on the west coast.




Re: CenturyLink...is being investigated by the FCC

2018-12-28 Thread Anne P. Mitchell, Esq.
And the other latest news is that the FCC is investigating the CenturyLink 
outage:

https://www.theinternetpatrol.com/fcc-investigating-centurylink-outage-says-unacceptable/


> On Dec 28, 2018, at 3:11 PM, Patrick Boyle via NANOG  wrote:
> 
> Yes, there were 911 services affected. The latest word from C-link as of 
> 1:46PM mountain is that all 911 services are restored where they are the 
> provider. I'm not 100% sure if that's system-wide, or just my area in the 
> northwest, however.
> 
> 
> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
> 
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Friday, December 28, 2018 1:03 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer  
> wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 07:07:42AM +,
>> Erik Sundberg esundb...@nitelusa.com wrote
>> a message of 131 lines which said:
>> 
>>> CenturyLink will be conducting an extensive post-incident
>>> investigation and root cause analysis to provide follow-up
>>> information to our customers
>> 
>> Is this problem also responsible for the 911 outage? If so, the
>> post-mortem analysis is not useful only for CenturyLink customers but
>> for everyone on the west coast.
> 
> 



Re: CenturyLink

2018-12-28 Thread Patrick Boyle via NANOG
Yes, there were 911 services affected. The latest word from C-link as of 1:46PM 
mountain is that all 911 services are restored where they are the provider. I'm 
not 100% sure if that's system-wide, or just my area in the northwest, however.


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‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Friday, December 28, 2018 1:03 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer  
wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 07:07:42AM +,
> Erik Sundberg esundb...@nitelusa.com wrote
> a message of 131 lines which said:
>
> > CenturyLink will be conducting an extensive post-incident
> > investigation and root cause analysis to provide follow-up
> > information to our customers
>
> Is this problem also responsible for the 911 outage? If so, the
> post-mortem analysis is not useful only for CenturyLink customers but
> for everyone on the west coast.




Re: Pinging a Device Every Second

2018-12-28 Thread Dale W. Carder
Thus spake Christian Meutes (christ...@errxtx.net) on Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 
02:41:23PM +0100:
> Depending on your requirements and scale - but I read you want history -
> it's probably less a demand on CPU or network resources, but more on IOPS.
> 
> If you cache all results before writing to disk, then it's not much of a
> problem, but by just going "let's use RRD/MRTG for this" your IOPS could
> become the first problem. So you might look into a proper timeseries
> backend or use a caching daemon for RRD.

Having once written a caching daemon for mrtg/rrdtool, the advent of SSD
arrays has made iops largely irrelevant.  (I had ~ 1.2M targets in mrtg
on that machine)

Dale
 
 
> On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 4:48 PM Colton Conor  wrote:
> 
> > How much compute and network resources does it take for a NMS to:
> >
> > 1. ICMP ping a device every second
> > 2. Record these results.
> > 3. Report an alarm after so many seconds of missed pings.
> >
> > We are looking for a system to in near real-time monitor if an end
> > customers router is up or down. SNMP I assume would be too resource
> > intensive, so ICMP pings seem like the only logical solution.
> >
> > The question is once a second pings too polling on an NMS and a consumer
> > grade router? Does it take much network bandwidth and CPU resources from
> > both the NMS and CPE side?
> >
> > Lets say this is for a 1,000 customer ISP.
> >
> >
> >
> 
> -- 
> Christian Meutes
> 
> e-mail/xmpp: christ...@errxtx.net
> mobile: +49 176 32370305
> PGP Fingerprint: B458 E4D6 7173 A8C4 9C75315B 709C 295B FA53 2318
> Toulouser Allee 21, 40211 Duesseldorf, Germany


Re: Cellular backup connections

2018-12-28 Thread Ben Cannon
> leave them on an old router where they’ve been for years.

I can’t name names obviously, but you’d be astonished how often I see this and 
who the big names are.




- Ben Cannon, AS15206



Re: Cellular backup connections

2018-12-28 Thread K. Scott Helms
I really can't believe I'm going to say this, but this has been a good
SD-WAN use case for us.


Scott Helms



On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 2:30 PM Aaron1  wrote:

> On the topic of static ip... as a Net Eng of an ISP, and seeing the pains
> that we have to endure with our static ip customers , I wonder if static ip
> customers actually inadvertently get less optimal treatment than more
> flexible, agile and dynamic ip customers ?
>
> I’m saying that since over the years as I have migrated from one router to
> another, from one technology Ethernet/IP, mpls/ip, it’s more difficult to
> move those static customers subnets around, and sometimes easier just to
> leave them on an old router where they’ve been for years.
>
> Aaron
>
> On Dec 28, 2018, at 12:32 PM, Jared Geiger  wrote:
>
> I found horrible routing with a static IP setup with T-Mobile. The device
> was located in Ashburn, outbound routing would go out via Dallas and
> inbound would come in via Seattle. So ping times and usability was rough.
> Tried it on the west coast and the same problem. T-Mobile support said this
> was by design and they couldn’t change it.
>
> I decided to switch to a regular consumer AT&T data sim without a static
> IP and set up a small router to initiate a VPN tunnel out to wherever I
> need it. It turns out to be cheaper and reliable for us.
>
> ~Jared Geiger
>
> On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 11:53 AM Ryan Wilkins  wrote:
>
>> You mention your connection is 4G.  On T-Mobile 4G is UMTS whereas LTE
>> is, well, LTE.  Are you really on UMTS (which I would expect to have much
>> crazier RTTs and jitter like you report) or did you mean LTE?
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>> > On Dec 28, 2018, at 7:06 AM, Dovid Bender  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> > I finally got around to setting up a cellular backup device in our new
>> POP. I am currently testing with T-Mobile where the cell signal strength is
>> at 80%. The connection is 4G. When SSH'ing in remotely the connection seems
>> rather slow. Ping times seem to be all over the place (for instance now I
>> am seeing: rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 174.142/336.792/555.574/99.599 ms) . Is
>> that just cellular or is that more related to the provider and the location
>> where I am? I could in theory test with VZ and ATT as well. With Verizon
>> they charge $500.00 just to get a public IP and I want to avoid that if
>> possible.
>> >
>> > Thanks and sorry in advance if this is off topic.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>


Re: Cellular backup connections

2018-12-28 Thread Aaron1
On the topic of static ip... as a Net Eng of an ISP, and seeing the pains that 
we have to endure with our static ip customers , I wonder if static ip 
customers actually inadvertently get less optimal treatment than more flexible, 
agile and dynamic ip customers ?  

I’m saying that since over the years as I have migrated from one router to 
another, from one technology Ethernet/IP, mpls/ip, it’s more difficult to move 
those static customers subnets around, and sometimes easier just to leave them 
on an old router where they’ve been for years.

Aaron

> On Dec 28, 2018, at 12:32 PM, Jared Geiger  wrote:
> 
> I found horrible routing with a static IP setup with T-Mobile. The device was 
> located in Ashburn, outbound routing would go out via Dallas and inbound 
> would come in via Seattle. So ping times and usability was rough. Tried it on 
> the west coast and the same problem. T-Mobile support said this was by design 
> and they couldn’t change it. 
> 
> I decided to switch to a regular consumer AT&T data sim without a static IP 
> and set up a small router to initiate a VPN tunnel out to wherever I need it. 
> It turns out to be cheaper and reliable for us. 
> 
> ~Jared Geiger
> 
>> On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 11:53 AM Ryan Wilkins  wrote:
>> You mention your connection is 4G.  On T-Mobile 4G is UMTS whereas LTE is, 
>> well, LTE.  Are you really on UMTS (which I would expect to have much 
>> crazier RTTs and jitter like you report) or did you mean LTE?
>> 
>> Ryan
>> 
>> > On Dec 28, 2018, at 7:06 AM, Dovid Bender  wrote:
>> > 
>> > Hi All,
>> > 
>> > I finally got around to setting up a cellular backup device in our new 
>> > POP. I am currently testing with T-Mobile where the cell signal strength 
>> > is at 80%. The connection is 4G. When SSH'ing in remotely the connection 
>> > seems rather slow. Ping times seem to be all over the place (for instance 
>> > now I am seeing: rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 174.142/336.792/555.574/99.599 ms) 
>> > . Is that just cellular or is that more related to the provider and the 
>> > location where I am? I could in theory test with VZ and ATT as well. With 
>> > Verizon they charge $500.00 just to get a public IP and I want to avoid 
>> > that if possible.
>> > 
>> > Thanks and sorry in advance if this is off topic.
>> > 
>> > 
>> 


Re: Cellular backup connections

2018-12-28 Thread Jared Geiger
I found horrible routing with a static IP setup with T-Mobile. The device
was located in Ashburn, outbound routing would go out via Dallas and
inbound would come in via Seattle. So ping times and usability was rough.
Tried it on the west coast and the same problem. T-Mobile support said this
was by design and they couldn’t change it.

I decided to switch to a regular consumer AT&T data sim without a static IP
and set up a small router to initiate a VPN tunnel out to wherever I need
it. It turns out to be cheaper and reliable for us.

~Jared Geiger

On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 11:53 AM Ryan Wilkins  wrote:

> You mention your connection is 4G.  On T-Mobile 4G is UMTS whereas LTE is,
> well, LTE.  Are you really on UMTS (which I would expect to have much
> crazier RTTs and jitter like you report) or did you mean LTE?
>
> Ryan
>
> > On Dec 28, 2018, at 7:06 AM, Dovid Bender  wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I finally got around to setting up a cellular backup device in our new
> POP. I am currently testing with T-Mobile where the cell signal strength is
> at 80%. The connection is 4G. When SSH'ing in remotely the connection seems
> rather slow. Ping times seem to be all over the place (for instance now I
> am seeing: rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 174.142/336.792/555.574/99.599 ms) . Is
> that just cellular or is that more related to the provider and the location
> where I am? I could in theory test with VZ and ATT as well. With Verizon
> they charge $500.00 just to get a public IP and I want to avoid that if
> possible.
> >
> > Thanks and sorry in advance if this is off topic.
> >
> >
>
>


Weekly Routing Table Report

2018-12-28 Thread Routing Analysis Role Account
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet
Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan.

The posting is sent to APOPS, NANOG, AfNOG, SANOG, PacNOG, SAFNOG
TZNOG, MENOG, BJNOG, SDNOG, CMNOG, LACNOG and the RIPE Routing WG.

Daily listings are sent to bgp-st...@lists.apnic.net

For historical data, please see http://thyme.rand.apnic.net.

If you have any comments please contact Philip Smith .

Routing Table Report   04:00 +10GMT Sat 29 Dec, 2018

Report Website: http://thyme.rand.apnic.net
Detailed Analysis:  http://thyme.rand.apnic.net/current/

Analysis Summary


BGP routing table entries examined:  732568
Prefixes after maximum aggregation (per Origin AS):  281558
Deaggregation factor:  2.60
Unique aggregates announced (without unneeded subnets):  352396
Total ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 62800
Prefixes per ASN: 11.67
Origin-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:   54121
Origin ASes announcing only one prefix:   23521
Transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:8679
Transit-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:267
Average AS path length visible in the Internet Routing Table:   4.2
Max AS path length visible:  31
Max AS path prepend of ASN ( 16327)  25
Prefixes from unregistered ASNs in the Routing Table:23
Number of instances of unregistered ASNs:25
Number of 32-bit ASNs allocated by the RIRs:  25337
Number of 32-bit ASNs visible in the Routing Table:   20536
Prefixes from 32-bit ASNs in the Routing Table:   88512
Number of bogon 32-bit ASNs visible in the Routing Table:17
Special use prefixes present in the Routing Table:1
Prefixes being announced from unallocated address space:259
Number of addresses announced to Internet:   2839468257
Equivalent to 169 /8s, 62 /16s and 216 /24s
Percentage of available address space announced:   76.7
Percentage of allocated address space announced:   76.7
Percentage of available address space allocated:  100.0
Percentage of address space in use by end-sites:   99.1
Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations:  244625

APNIC Region Analysis Summary
-

Prefixes being announced by APNIC Region ASes:   200435
Total APNIC prefixes after maximum aggregation:   56892
APNIC Deaggregation factor:3.52
Prefixes being announced from the APNIC address blocks:  197466
Unique aggregates announced from the APNIC address blocks:81144
APNIC Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:9321
APNIC Prefixes per ASN:   21.19
APNIC Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix:   2630
APNIC Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:   1388
Average APNIC Region AS path length visible:4.1
Max APNIC Region AS path length visible: 26
Number of APNIC region 32-bit ASNs visible in the Routing Table:   4321
Number of APNIC addresses announced to Internet:  769522432
Equivalent to 45 /8s, 221 /16s and 251 /24s
APNIC AS Blocks4608-4864, 7467-7722, 9216-10239, 17408-18431
(pre-ERX allocations)  23552-24575, 37888-38911, 45056-46079, 55296-56319,
   58368-59391, 63488-64098, 64297-64395, 131072-139577
APNIC Address Blocks 1/8,  14/8,  27/8,  36/8,  39/8,  42/8,  43/8,
49/8,  58/8,  59/8,  60/8,  61/8, 101/8, 103/8,
   106/8, 110/8, 111/8, 112/8, 113/8, 114/8, 115/8,
   116/8, 117/8, 118/8, 119/8, 120/8, 121/8, 122/8,
   123/8, 124/8, 125/8, 126/8, 133/8, 150/8, 153/8,
   163/8, 171/8, 175/8, 180/8, 182/8, 183/8, 202/8,
   203/8, 210/8, 211/8, 218/8, 219/8, 220/8, 221/8,
   222/8, 223/8,

ARIN Region Analysis Summary


Prefixes being announced by ARIN Region ASes:216519
Total ARIN prefixes after maximum aggregation:   102857
ARIN Deaggregation factor: 2.11
Prefixes being announced from the ARIN address blocks:   215874
Unique aggregates announced from the ARIN address blocks:103478
ARIN Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:18306
ARIN Prefixes per ASN:11.79
ARIN Regi

Re: Cellular backup connections

2018-12-28 Thread Ryan Wilkins
You mention your connection is 4G.  On T-Mobile 4G is UMTS whereas LTE is, 
well, LTE.  Are you really on UMTS (which I would expect to have much crazier 
RTTs and jitter like you report) or did you mean LTE?

Ryan

> On Dec 28, 2018, at 7:06 AM, Dovid Bender  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I finally got around to setting up a cellular backup device in our new POP. I 
> am currently testing with T-Mobile where the cell signal strength is at 80%. 
> The connection is 4G. When SSH'ing in remotely the connection seems rather 
> slow. Ping times seem to be all over the place (for instance now I am seeing: 
> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 174.142/336.792/555.574/99.599 ms) . Is that just 
> cellular or is that more related to the provider and the location where I am? 
> I could in theory test with VZ and ATT as well. With Verizon they charge 
> $500.00 just to get a public IP and I want to avoid that if possible.
> 
> Thanks and sorry in advance if this is off topic.
> 
> 



Re: Cellular backup connections

2018-12-28 Thread Brian R
Check the route your taking when you use the cell phone as a hotspot and when 
you use the LTE modem.  The carrier may be using different paths.

You may want to engage the vendor of your modem as well to make sure everything 
in it is configured correctly.  Depending on the device there are a lot of 
tricky things that can be done with them.

I only have experience with Cradlepoints and have used AT&T and Verizon.  I 
know VZW used to route their "business grade" modems differently than their 
cell phones and consumer hotspots.  I've been told VZW fixed the issue of 
having to put different tower configurations into the Cradlepoints (I believe 
the last time I set one up they were able to provision it without me 
configuring anything).

High pings and high latency (compared to dedicated connections) have always 
been normal from my experience but with a decent signal it should still be 
better than a traditional DSL connection for example.

Brian


From: NANOG  on behalf of Dovid Bender 

Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 4:29 AM
To: Brandon Martin
Cc: NANOG
Subject: Re: Cellular backup connections

It's strange. When we use T-Mo on an andriod device the ping times are 30-40 
ms. When we try with the modem + raritn console box it jumps to min of 100+ ms 
(the modem is high up on top of the rack and we test with the phones we are on 
the floor) - Can 5 feet higher make it that much worse?


On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 7:23 AM Brandon Martin 
mailto:lists.na...@monmotha.net>> wrote:
On 12/28/18 7:06 AM, Dovid Bender wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I finally got around to setting up a cellular backup device in our new
> POP. I am currently testing with T-Mobile where the cell signal strength
> is at 80%. The connection is 4G. When SSH'ing in remotely the connection
> seems rather slow. Ping times seem to be all over the place (for
> instance now I am seeing: rtt min/avg/max/mdev =
> 174.142/336.792/555.574/99.599 ms) . Is that just cellular or is that
> more related to the provider and the location where I am? I could in
> theory test with VZ and ATT as well. With Verizon they charge $500.00
> just to get a public IP and I want to avoid that if possible.
>
> Thanks and sorry in advance if this is off topic.

LTE with a good connection on a lightly loaded cell should be
significantly less than that in both absolute terms as well as jitter.

I used LTE (Sprint) for a couple years as my primary connectivity when I
moved out into an area with zero connectivity (fixing that now).  I
typically saw ~30-40ms to Chicago, which is the nearest major carrier
PoP.  Jitter was typically less than 10ms.  VoIP was usable.  Others in
the area on other carriers have reported similar.

Sprint gave me a public IP with no up front charges but did charge $5/mo
for it.

As you're probably aware, the "signal strength" ("bars") indicators that
are presented to the consumer-facing interfaces are often very cooked.
Depending on which RSSI you're looking at, a "very good" signal is
probably in the realm of -70dBm to -110dBm (note that there are two RSSI
metrics commonly used with LTE, and they tend to differ by ~20dB).

--
Brandon Martin


Re: Cellular backup connections

2018-12-28 Thread Jared Mauch



> On Dec 28, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Dovid Bender  wrote:
> 
> It's strange. When we use T-Mo on an andriod device the ping times are 30-40 
> ms. When we try with the modem + raritn console box it jumps to min of 100+ 
> ms (the modem is high up on top of the rack and we test with the phones we 
> are on the floor) - Can 5 feet higher make it that much worse?

In the world of RF of course.  Are you on a v6v4 APN as well?  Is your v4 
taking a longer route to go via CGN while v6 goes native?

- Jared

Re: Cellular backup connections

2018-12-28 Thread Dovid Bender
It's strange. When we use T-Mo on an andriod device the ping times are
30-40 ms. When we try with the modem + raritn console box it jumps to min
of 100+ ms (the modem is high up on top of the rack and we test with the
phones we are on the floor) - Can 5 feet higher make it that much worse?


On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 7:23 AM Brandon Martin 
wrote:

> On 12/28/18 7:06 AM, Dovid Bender wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I finally got around to setting up a cellular backup device in our new
> > POP. I am currently testing with T-Mobile where the cell signal strength
> > is at 80%. The connection is 4G. When SSH'ing in remotely the connection
> > seems rather slow. Ping times seem to be all over the place (for
> > instance now I am seeing: rtt min/avg/max/mdev =
> > 174.142/336.792/555.574/99.599 ms) . Is that just cellular or is that
> > more related to the provider and the location where I am? I could in
> > theory test with VZ and ATT as well. With Verizon they charge $500.00
> > just to get a public IP and I want to avoid that if possible.
> >
> > Thanks and sorry in advance if this is off topic.
>
> LTE with a good connection on a lightly loaded cell should be
> significantly less than that in both absolute terms as well as jitter.
>
> I used LTE (Sprint) for a couple years as my primary connectivity when I
> moved out into an area with zero connectivity (fixing that now).  I
> typically saw ~30-40ms to Chicago, which is the nearest major carrier
> PoP.  Jitter was typically less than 10ms.  VoIP was usable.  Others in
> the area on other carriers have reported similar.
>
> Sprint gave me a public IP with no up front charges but did charge $5/mo
> for it.
>
> As you're probably aware, the "signal strength" ("bars") indicators that
> are presented to the consumer-facing interfaces are often very cooked.
> Depending on which RSSI you're looking at, a "very good" signal is
> probably in the realm of -70dBm to -110dBm (note that there are two RSSI
> metrics commonly used with LTE, and they tend to differ by ~20dB).
>
> --
> Brandon Martin
>


Re: Cellular backup connections

2018-12-28 Thread Brandon Martin

On 12/28/18 7:06 AM, Dovid Bender wrote:

Hi All,

I finally got around to setting up a cellular backup device in our new 
POP. I am currently testing with T-Mobile where the cell signal strength 
is at 80%. The connection is 4G. When SSH'ing in remotely the connection 
seems rather slow. Ping times seem to be all over the place (for 
instance now I am seeing: rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 
174.142/336.792/555.574/99.599 ms) . Is that just cellular or is that 
more related to the provider and the location where I am? I could in 
theory test with VZ and ATT as well. With Verizon they charge $500.00 
just to get a public IP and I want to avoid that if possible.


Thanks and sorry in advance if this is off topic.


LTE with a good connection on a lightly loaded cell should be 
significantly less than that in both absolute terms as well as jitter.


I used LTE (Sprint) for a couple years as my primary connectivity when I 
moved out into an area with zero connectivity (fixing that now).  I 
typically saw ~30-40ms to Chicago, which is the nearest major carrier 
PoP.  Jitter was typically less than 10ms.  VoIP was usable.  Others in 
the area on other carriers have reported similar.


Sprint gave me a public IP with no up front charges but did charge $5/mo 
for it.


As you're probably aware, the "signal strength" ("bars") indicators that 
are presented to the consumer-facing interfaces are often very cooked. 
Depending on which RSSI you're looking at, a "very good" signal is 
probably in the realm of -70dBm to -110dBm (note that there are two RSSI 
metrics commonly used with LTE, and they tend to differ by ~20dB).


--
Brandon Martin


Re: Cellular backup connections

2018-12-28 Thread David Hubbard
I’ve found the antenna choice and placement can make a huge difference in a 
data center environment.  In some cases it required going to a directional high 
gain antenna pointed towards a desirable tower, which we found by having 
someone monitor / reload the Opengear web interface while another person moved 
the antenna around, to figure out where the best signal strength was produced.

Ours are all Verizon units, but in data centers near some VZ towers, the little 
omnidirectional paddle antennas that come with the Opengear boxes have been 
sufficient, even if the unit is mounted in a rack.  Even with ping times being 
in the 150-300ms range, normally SSH isn’t too bad, but it’s certainly not 
snappy.  I’d say it’s not quite as bad as trying to use SSH via Wifi on a 
Southwest flight, but not as good as a serial console connection.




From: NANOG  on behalf of Dovid Bender 

Date: Friday, December 28, 2018 at 7:08 AM
To: NANOG 
Subject: Cellular backup connections

Hi All,

I finally got around to setting up a cellular backup device in our new POP. I 
am currently testing with T-Mobile where the cell signal strength is at 80%. 
The connection is 4G. When SSH'ing in remotely the connection seems rather 
slow. Ping times seem to be all over the place (for instance now I am seeing: 
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 174.142/336.792/555.574/99.599 ms) . Is that just 
cellular or is that more related to the provider and the location where I am? I 
could in theory test with VZ and ATT as well. With Verizon they charge $500.00 
just to get a public IP and I want to avoid that if possible.

Thanks and sorry in advance if this is off topic.




Cellular backup connections

2018-12-28 Thread Dovid Bender
Hi All,

I finally got around to setting up a cellular backup device in our new POP.
I am currently testing with T-Mobile where the cell signal strength is at
80%. The connection is 4G. When SSH'ing in remotely the connection seems
rather slow. Ping times seem to be all over the place (for instance now I
am seeing: rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 174.142/336.792/555.574/99.599 ms) . Is
that just cellular or is that more related to the provider and the location
where I am? I could in theory test with VZ and ATT as well. With Verizon
they charge $500.00 just to get a public IP and I want to avoid that if
possible.

Thanks and sorry in advance if this is off topic.


Re: CenturyLink

2018-12-28 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 07:07:42AM +,
 Erik Sundberg  wrote 
 a message of 131 lines which said:

> CenturyLink will be conducting an extensive post-incident
> investigation and root cause analysis to provide follow-up
> information to our customers

Is this problem also responsible for the 911 outage? If so, the
post-mortem analysis is not useful only for CenturyLink customers but
for everyone on the west coast.