Re: historical BGP announcements? (pre-1997)

[Randy Bush]

i am wondering if there is an archive of whatevertheheckweusedtocallthem
before they were swips.  began with r i think.  what curtis processed
every wednesday.

randy

Re: EXERCISE: 2019 IAA Planetary Defence Conference - Day 5 Scenario

[Haudy Kazemi]

>
> Of course, any fictional scenario is more likely to hit an ocean or miss
> the planet. But that makes for a dull exercise.
>

For any hit, a lot depends on impactor size. With an impactor of the size
that took out the non-avian dinosaurs...the site of impact probably won't
matter to us if humanity is unable to deflect it.

See the RadioLab Dinopocalypse Redux from a few days ago for more on the
model.

https://www.wbez.org/shows/radiolab/dinopocalypse-redux/a36ca1fd-9525-40bc-88d3-e66116f1da50

Re: EXERCISE: 2019 IAA Planetary Defence Conference - Day 5 Scenario

[Scott Weeks]

--- s...@donelan.com wrote:
From: Sean Donelan 

Of course, any fictional scenario is more likely to hit 
an ocean...But that makes for a dull exercise.
-


Not for some of us...  ;-)

scott

Re: EXERCISE: 2019 IAA Planetary Defence Conference - Day 5 Scenario

[Sean Donelan]

On Tue, 7 May 2019, Nick Hilliard wrote:
pfft, asteroid impacts and alien mothership crashes are bound to happen in 
Central Park.  Everyone knows that!


The next Planetary Defence Conference in 2021 will be hosted in Europe. 
That means a major city on the European continent will likely be destroyed 
in the next asteroid exercise :-)


2015 exercise - fictional impact Dhaka, Bangladesh
2017 exercise - no fictional impact Tokyo, Japan (asteroid deflected)
2019 exercise - fictional impact New York City, NY

Which iconic places in Europe to plot the 2021 PDC asteroid path?

Of course, any fictional scenario is more likely to hit an ocean or miss 
the planet. But that makes for a dull exercise.

Re: historical BGP announcements? (pre-1997)

[william manning]

somewhere, I have a DVD of the Route Server logs from when we first turned
up the NSF/NAPS (circa 1994) until the UO service came online.  I know I
offered them to CAIDA at one time.  Don't remember anything happening.
(not that it matters, but I also have the RFC 1918 blackhole server logs
from inception until 2002.)

/Wm

On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 12:39 PM Bradley Huffaker  wrote:

> Just in case someone has, or finds, historic BGP data sitting,
> CAIDA would be willing to host it.
>
> > On May 6, 2019, at 8:15 PM, Majdi S. Abbas  wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, May 06, 2019 at 01:47:24PM -0600, John Osmon wrote:
> >> I've got a need to look for some announcements from the mid 1990s.
> >> The oldest I've found at at the University of Oregon Route Views
> >> Project, but the earliest I can find there appears to be November of
> >> 1997.
> >>
> >> Anyone have pointers to date from earlier?
> >
> >   Collected announcements?  None that I know of.  A possible
> > proxy for them?  Maybe.
> >
> >   Dig through the NSFNET NACR archives, and you can at least
> > build a list of possible announcements.  (The same is probably true
> > of any old PRDB data kicking around out there, and the NSS configs.)
> >
> >   --msa
> >
>
>

Re: historical BGP announcements? (pre-1997)

[Bill Woodcock]

> On May 7, 2019, at 4:12 PM, william manning  wrote:
> 
> somewhere, I have a DVD of the Route Server logs from when we first turned up 
> the NSF/NAPS (circa 1994) until the UO service came online.

Well, if you ever run across them again, I’m sure Brad and Steve and I would 
all be happy to publish them.

-Bill



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Re: EXERCISE: 2019 IAA Planetary Defence Conference - Day 5 Scenario

[Mark Seiden]

manifestly untrue

https://movie-tourist.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-day-earth-stood-still-1951.html

On May 7, 2019, 1:33 PM -0700, Nick Hilliard , wrote:
> Marshall Eubanks wrote on 07/05/2019 21:16:
> > Yes, they kept moving the impact site around all week (both Denver and
> > West Africa were mentioned at times). Some people wiser than I guessed
> > Central Park early on, but I thought that was too obvious. Good thing
> > I didn't make a bet on it.
>
> pfft, asteroid impacts and alien mothership crashes are bound to happen
> in Central Park. Everyone knows that!
>
> Nick
>

Re: EXERCISE: 2019 IAA Planetary Defence Conference - Day 5 Scenario

[Nick Hilliard]

Marshall Eubanks wrote on 07/05/2019 21:16:

Yes, they kept moving the impact site around all week (both Denver and
West Africa were mentioned at times). Some people wiser than I guessed
Central Park early on, but I thought that was too obvious. Good thing
I didn't make a bet on it.


pfft, asteroid impacts and alien mothership crashes are bound to happen 
in Central Park.  Everyone knows that!


Nick

Re: EXERCISE: 2019 IAA Planetary Defence Conference - Day 5 Scenario

[Marshall Eubanks]

Yes, they kept moving the impact site around all week (both Denver and
West Africa were mentioned at times). Some people wiser than I guessed
Central Park early on, but I thought that was too obvious. Good thing
I didn't make a bet on it.

Regards
Marshall Eubanks

On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 2:21 PM Sean Donelan  wrote:
>
>
> EXERCISE Only
>
> The scenario was chosen to stress the partcipants, not an actual asteroid
> impact. It was a fictional scenario. This was only an exercise.
>
> 60 meter asteroid impact in New York City, NY (roughly Central Park, NYC)
>
> 10,117,016 population directly affected
>
> Estimated unsurvivable area (complete destruction) 32 square miles
>
>
> Internet Communications
>
> 30 Internet exchange points (1 unsurvivable, 8 critical damage, 20 severe
> damage, 1 serious damage)
>
> 708 Data centers (16 unsurvivable, 229 crtical damage, 446 severe damage,
> 16 serious:
>
> 6,300 Points of presence (1853 unsurvivable, 453 critical damage, 1447
> severe damage, 456 serious damage)
>
>
> Indirect Internet impacts
>
> Mass communications
>
> Social media, misinformation and malinformation
>
> https://cneos.jpl.nasa.gov/pd/cs/pdc19/
>
>

Re: EXERCISE: 2019 IAA Planetary Defence Conference - Day 5 Scenario

[Mark Seiden]

excellent!  (but i was hoping this would be a swamp-draining-by-vaporization 
exercise.)

i particularly liked this animation. 
https://cneos.jpl.nasa.gov/pd/cs/pdc19/Day5-MegaFire.mov
On May 7, 2019, 11:21 AM -0700, Sean Donelan , wrote:
>
> EXERCISE Only
>
> The scenario was chosen to stress the partcipants, not an actual asteroid
> impact. It was a fictional scenario. This was only an exercise.
>
> 60 meter asteroid impact in New York City, NY (roughly Central Park, NYC)
>
> 10,117,016 population directly affected
>
> Estimated unsurvivable area (complete destruction) 32 square miles
>
>
> Internet Communications
>
> 30 Internet exchange points (1 unsurvivable, 8 critical damage, 20 severe
> damage, 1 serious damage)
>
> 708 Data centers (16 unsurvivable, 229 crtical damage, 446 severe damage,
> 16 serious:
>
> 6,300 Points of presence (1853 unsurvivable, 453 critical damage, 1447
> severe damage, 456 serious damage)
>
>
> Indirect Internet impacts
>
> Mass communications
>
> Social media, misinformation and malinformation
>
> https://cneos.jpl.nasa.gov/pd/cs/pdc19/
>
>

Re: historical BGP announcements? (pre-1997)

[Bradley Huffaker]

Just in case someone has, or finds, historic BGP data sitting, 
CAIDA would be willing to host it.

> On May 6, 2019, at 8:15 PM, Majdi S. Abbas  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, May 06, 2019 at 01:47:24PM -0600, John Osmon wrote:
>> I've got a need to look for some announcements from the mid 1990s.
>> The oldest I've found at at the University of Oregon Route Views
>> Project, but the earliest I can find there appears to be November of
>> 1997.
>> 
>> Anyone have pointers to date from earlier?
> 
>   Collected announcements?  None that I know of.  A possible 
> proxy for them?  Maybe.
> 
>   Dig through the NSFNET NACR archives, and you can at least
> build a list of possible announcements.  (The same is probably true
> of any old PRDB data kicking around out there, and the NSS configs.)
> 
>   --msa
> 

Re: any interesting/useful resources available to IPv6 only?

[Robert L Mathews]

On 5/6/19 9:45 AM, Brian J. Murrell wrote:

> But the came I am making is to PHBs, not engineers and I am trying to
> find a path of least resistance.

Providing IPv6 can increase perceived reliability for customers via the
Happy Eyeballs algorithm .

If the IPv4 and IPv6 paths from client to server are different (as they
often are), clients can bypass bad IPv4 network paths to a server if
IPv6 is also available. This avoids some "I can't connect to website X"
support calls, decreasing costs.

-- 
Robert L Mathews, Tiger Technologies

Re: any interesting/useful resources available to IPv6 only?

[bzs]

That's it! Put your stuff on IPv6-only and vastly improve your
security footprint!

-- 
-Barry Shein

Software Tool & Die| b...@theworld.com | http://www.TheWorld.com
Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD   | 800-THE-WRLD
The World: Since 1989  | A Public Information Utility | *oo*

EXERCISE: 2019 IAA Planetary Defence Conference - Day 5 Scenario

[Sean Donelan]

EXERCISE Only

The scenario was chosen to stress the partcipants, not an actual asteroid 
impact. It was a fictional scenario. This was only an exercise.


60 meter asteroid impact in New York City, NY (roughly Central Park, NYC)

10,117,016 population directly affected

Estimated unsurvivable area (complete destruction) 32 square miles


Internet Communications

30 Internet exchange points (1 unsurvivable, 8 critical damage, 20 severe 
damage, 1 serious damage)


708 Data centers (16 unsurvivable, 229 crtical damage, 446 severe damage, 
16 serious:


6,300 Points of presence (1853 unsurvivable, 453 critical damage, 1447 
severe damage, 456 serious damage)



Indirect Internet impacts

Mass communications

Social media, misinformation and malinformation

https://cneos.jpl.nasa.gov/pd/cs/pdc19/

Re: any interesting/useful resources available to IPv6 only?

[William Waites]

On 05/03, Jeroen Massar wrote:
> 
> IPv6 is not a darknet, you won't find something hidden and unique there.

The Dancing Kame, surely.

Re: any interesting/useful resources available to IPv6 only?

[Jeroen Massar]

On 2019-05-07 15:55, William Waites wrote:
> On 05/03, Jeroen Massar wrote:
>>
>> IPv6 is not a darknet, you won't find something hidden and unique there.
> 
> The Dancing Kame, surely.

That Kame has been liberated and made available over IPv4 so long ago that the 
shop that was selling the stuffed ones has been defunct for about two decades...

Greets,
 Jeroen

--
And the little guy has always been served over IPv4 actually: 
http://www.kame.net/img/kame-anime-small.gif

Re: any interesting/useful resources available to IPv6 only?

[Lee Howard]

On 5/6/19 12:45 PM, Brian J. Murrell wrote:


But the came I am making is to PHBs, not engineers and I am trying to
find a path of least resistance.


IPv6 is, on average, 20ms faster than IPv4. I don't know why, I just 
know that the evidence is diverse and compelling that it's true. 
https://www.retevia.net/fast


A faster web site means people find it earlier in Google search, stay on 
it longer, and buy more stuff from it. https://www.retevia.net/seo


If you're an ISP, it would be nice to give your customers that extra speed.

IPv6 in your data center also means your security team has an easier 
time tracking down miscreants than if they were behind CGN. Any security 
tool without IPv6 is blind to 54% of US traffic, 24% of CA traffic, 27% 
of global traffic.


Renumbering into IPv6 might mean you can make addresses available for 
sale, and prices are approaching the point where that makes sense. 
https://www.retevia.net/address-pricing-2019-and-beyond/


For ISPs, you should absolutely figure out your IPv4 run rate, i.e., 
when you'll run out of IPv4 addresses. Then the PHBs have to decide what 
to do about that: deploy IPv6 and hope it's a viable alternative (with 
translation?), buy IPv4 addresses (at today's prices or tomorrow's, and 
how many addresses?), or deploy NAT44 and hope customers are okay with it.


For ISPs, consider how many of your customers are medium to large 
companies. These customers may need IPv6, either to sell their own 
addresses, or to connect with branches or partners who are out of IPv4. 
There are ISPs in the world who only support native IPv4 because some of 
their customers can't get approval for IPv4 from US corporate HQ. Of 
course, they pay more for that. For that matter, consider how much you 
charge for additional IPv4 addresses, and the rate at which customers 
could decline that service.


(But wait, you say, PHBs don't want to lose the IPv4 revenue! Depends on 
whether the competition is likely to offer the cheaper alternative)


Finally, the Rabobank argument: Maybe there aren't important sites, 
tools, or architectures that are only available over IPv6 right now. 
When will there be? Five years? Ten? (Seven? 
https://www.retevia.net/ipv6-growth/) How long will it take you to be 
completely IPv4-independent, and will it be done in time?


So there's an 8-slide deck for you. Good luck with that pitch! I'm 
interested in what feedback/pushback you get.


Lee




b.