Re: RIPE our of IPv4

2019-11-29 Thread Valdis Klētnieks
On Fri, 29 Nov 2019 23:26:04 -0500, Brandon Martin said: > definitely the lagging factor, here. I suspect it's at least partially > because high-ratio NAT44 has been the norm for enterprise deployments > for some time, and, among those who might otherwise be willing to > support first-class dual

Re: Disney+ Streaming

2019-11-29 Thread Mark Tinka
On 29/Nov/19 19:54, Jared Mauch wrote: > No, their new service is Peacock and will launch in 2020. [1] > > I’m sure they’ll have the same set of CDNs that service them as the other > streaming services and that most of them will eventually go the Netflix (OCA) > style route for their VOD

Re: RIPE our of IPv4

2019-11-29 Thread Brandon Martin
On 11/29/19 11:29 AM, Brian Knight wrote: 0% of my IPv4-only customers have opened tickets saying they cannot reach some service that is only IPv6 accessible. So if they do care about IPv6 connectivity, they haven’t communicated that to us. I help admin a very small (<1k subs, but growing)

Re: RIPE our of IPv4

2019-11-29 Thread Mike Hammett
"So if they do care about IPv6 connectivity, they haven’t communicated that to us." Nor will they, but that doesn't mean IPv6 isn't important. Frankly, I'm surprised anti-IPv6 people still have employment. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

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Re: Disney+ Streaming

2019-11-29 Thread Jared Mauch
> On Nov 29, 2019, at 12:44 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > > Isn’t NBCUniversal’s streaming service called Xfinity? Isn’t it one of the > older ones? No, their new service is Peacock and will launch in 2020. [1] I’m sure they’ll have the same set of CDNs that service them as the other streaming

Re: Disney+ Streaming

2019-11-29 Thread Owen DeLong
Isn’t NBCUniversal’s streaming service called Xfinity? Isn’t it one of the older ones? Owen > On Nov 28, 2019, at 14:23 , Robert Haylock wrote: > > I agree with Brian, this is not unbundling, it's just removing one layer of > distribution; you no longer need the Cable company to play

Re: Disney+ Streaming

2019-11-29 Thread Owen DeLong
This started under the Cable regime, People were complaining about having to buy channel bundles instead of simply choosing the channels they wanted to subscribe to. Owen > On Nov 28, 2019, at 11:33 , Ross Tajvar wrote: > > Well, not exactly. Each service is still a bunch of shows and

Re: Disney+ Streaming

2019-11-29 Thread Mark Tinka
On 29/Nov/19 14:42, Brandon Butterworth wrote: > > Bringing this back on charter, how many different CDN appliances > will we need to host for all these VoD providers? I'm just as > guilty there having made our own CDN for the BBC (as well as using > commercial ones). This is one of the

Re: Disney+ Streaming

2019-11-29 Thread Mark Tinka
On 29/Nov/19 15:13, Keith Medcalf wrote: > There are quite a lot of places where you can buy DRM free lossless > audio files ranging in quality from CD (44.1 kHz/16-bit/2 channel) all > the way up to 192 kHz/32-bit/5.1 channel and beyond. These are > basically CDs (or better) without the

Re: RIPE our of IPv4

2019-11-29 Thread Brian Knight
> On Nov 27, 2019, at 4:04 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: > >  > >> On 28 Nov 2019, at 06:08, Brian Knight wrote: >> >>> On 2019-11-26 17:11, Ca By wrote: >>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 12:15 AM Sabri Berisha >>> wrote: - On Nov 26, 2019, at 1:36 AM, Doug Barton do...@dougbarton.us wrote:

RE: Disney+ Streaming

2019-11-29 Thread Keith Medcalf
On Friday, 29 November, 2019 05:43, Brandon Butterworth wrote: >I'm not conviced music really learned either, once CDs are gone >there will be little access to reasonable quality uncompressed >downloads as everyone chases quite compressed streams. There are quite a lot of places where you can

Re: Disney+ Streaming

2019-11-29 Thread Brandon Butterworth
On Fri Nov 29, 2019 at 01:34:41PM +0200, Mark Tinka wrote: > The trajectory for all of this is that, ultimately, if the VoD providers > do not come together and federate or make a solid plan, we'll end up > right back where we started - content piracy. Music learned to not make stealing a better

Re: Disney+ Streaming

2019-11-29 Thread Mark Tinka
On 29/Nov/19 13:14, Brandon Butterworth wrote: > > And try busting or buying each other as they fight to be the only > one. > > Aggregators get away with it as there is some value in not having > to mess around buying each item individually but they get greedy > and there is easy profit in

Re: Disney+ Streaming

2019-11-29 Thread Brandon Butterworth
On Fri Nov 29, 2019 at 12:41:50PM +0200, Mark Tinka wrote: > It's either naive or presumptuous of any VoD provider to think that they > can each have 100% of the market Yes, rent seekers are going to seek rent so they will try and be the tier 1 content provider and all the other content has to

Re: Disney+ Streaming

2019-11-29 Thread Mark Tinka
On 29/Nov/19 10:44, Bjørn Mork wrote: > Sure. Like we all have been begging for an "Internet service" without > any peering... > > The consumers have been begging for unbundling of content and transport. > This does not imply fragmentation of either. That's a content provider > straw man. It

Re: Disney+ Streaming

2019-11-29 Thread Mark Tinka
On 29/Nov/19 01:08, Mike Bolitho wrote: > Again, this has gone beyond off-topic for the NANOG list. Please take > the discussion elsewhere. I'm not entirely sure. A good portion of our wholesale business is selling access into Africa to content providers. We have developed a reasonably good

Re: Disney+ Streaming

2019-11-29 Thread Mark Tinka
On 29/Nov/19 00:51, Michael Thomas wrote: > The big problem is that I don't want to pay for a month of content to > watch one or two shows. And I definitely don't want to pay a month's > worth of content to three dozen providers of which i may only watch a > few of their programs a couple of

Re: Disney+ Streaming

2019-11-29 Thread Mark Tinka
On 28/Nov/19 21:44, Brian J. Murrell wrote: > > This is not the "unbundling" that consumers have been begging for. > Rather I would submit that it's actually quite the opposite and much > more like the bundling that they have been railing against. This. Mark. signature.asc Description:

Re: Disney+ Streaming

2019-11-29 Thread Mark Tinka
On 28/Nov/19 20:50, Owen DeLong wrote: > While I agree about the likely outcome, I will point out that consumers have > been > begging for unbundling for years. > > This fragmentation of streaming services _IS_ the direct result of that > request. > > It’s unbundled service, exactly what they

Re: Disney+ Streaming

2019-11-29 Thread Bjørn Mork
Sure. Like we all have been begging for an "Internet service" without any peering... The consumers have been begging for unbundling of content and transport. This does not imply fragmentation of either. That's a content provider straw man. It is only reasonable to assume that all content