Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 12:26 AM Mark Tinka wrote: > > > > On 3/Jan/20 21:49, Christopher Morrow wrote: > > > the local folk have been pimping the idea that: "hey, just run a > > 4g/lte/g5 cell service inside your building/business, backhaul over > > cable-modem/etc and jam on..." > > How is this

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 4/Jan/20 00:12, William Herrin wrote: > > The day is coming when your "phone" records and streams 360 degree > panoramic high-resolution video to the cloud all the time unless you > intentionally turn it off. An so does everyone else's around you. It > probably isn't as far away as you

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 4/Jan/20 00:06, Andrey Kostin wrote: > > Currently /me don't bother switching to wifi in public places bcz LTE > provides enough bw for my humble needs. When I'm in South Africa, same for me, because: * Most hotels, restaurants, shops, and airport lounges still use ADSL. So the wi-fi

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 3/Jan/20 23:53, Sabri Berisha wrote: > That depends on where we are. Most of the time it is at home, over wi-fi. > However, sometimes they chat while my daughter is walking to school. At > some point, I worked in SoCal while the family still lived in the Bay Area. > Very often, grandpa

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 3/Jan/20 21:49, Christopher Morrow wrote: > the local folk have been pimping the idea that: "hey, just run a > 4g/lte/g5 cell service inside your building/business, backhaul over > cable-modem/etc and jam on..." How is this different from just hooking up your wi-fi AP to fibre and offering

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 3/Jan/20 20:42, Christopher Morrow wrote: > > Mike, I'd caution your use of: "other than in the bowels of large > buildings" there... In office buildings (or residential buildings) > which are LEED certified often you get glass coatings which reflect > radio emissions (both reflect IN and

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 3/Jan/20 20:38, Christopher Morrow wrote: > > There are some folk local to my office who often speak about > wifi/cellular and have some fairly decent knowledge about the > technology and deployment/management/etc... One thing they've made > clear (and our enterprise wireless folk echo

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 3/Jan/20 20:35, Keith Medcalf wrote: > How absolutely awful that must be, to always be relegated to slow and > insecure childrens band. I turn off childrens band (WiFi) on my phone with > extreme prejudice and it stays that way. I have yet to meet a childrens band > network (WiFi) that

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 3/Jan/20 17:38, Paul Nash wrote: > They’d probably choose whichever popped un onto the device first. I don't know about Android-based phones, but my iPhone ALWAYS wants wi-fi, whether it came before or after GSM. At times, the prompting to say, "Hey, there is a wi-fi hot spot right here,

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 3/Jan/20 16:25, Ca By wrote: > Mark, you are oversimplifying the market Isn't that how the kids see it, though :-). > > 1.  All wireless networks are capped by spectrum capacity / physica.  > As a user, you have been on a congested cell site and a congested > 802.11 AP.  So, as an

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Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 3/Jan/20 15:56, Shane Ronan wrote: > In locations with high population densities, there is nothing you can > do to LTE to provide adequate service. But doesn't it, then, follow that high-density locations tend to have plenty of wi-fi? Public and private? For me, the risk I see to MNO's is

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 3/Jan/20 15:40, Mike Hammett wrote: > Not to mention manufacturers are finally focusing on the in-home WiFi > that is usually the worst part of someone's Internet experience due to > a lack of adequate coverage, interference, etc. They had to when folk like Google (OnHub, Google WiFi)

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 3/Jan/20 14:11, Shane Ronan wrote: > Verizon is already offering fixed access 5G service with unlimited > data for $50.00/month in five cities. I'd be curious to know how long they can sustain that unlimited service for. A company, over here, called Rain, have just launched their 5G

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 2:17 PM William Herrin wrote: > On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 2:11 PM Ca By wrote: > > You are not using ipv4 today. > > > > The scenario you describe, using facetime (iOS) on T-Mobile US, you are > not using ipv4 on the device. T-Mobile does not assign ipv4 addresses to > iOS

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

Sabri Berisha писал 2020-01-03 16:53: I predict that there will be a time where, just like POTS lines were exchanged for cellular phones, people will disconnect their cable internet and rely on 6g or 7g alone. And probably still with IPv4 addresses. Could be true very soon. When

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 2:11 PM Ca By wrote: > You are not using ipv4 today. > > The scenario you describe, using facetime (iOS) on T-Mobile US, you are not > using ipv4 on the device. T-Mobile does not assign ipv4 addresses to iOS or > Android devices in default scenarios, has not for years. >

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 1:11 PM Brian J. Murrell wrote: > On Mon, 2019-12-30 at 09:50 -0500, Shane Ronan wrote: > > Also, keep in mind that 10 years ago, you didn't know you would want > > or need 25mbits to your phone, > > Who needs 25mbits to their phone? Nobody. But I do need 25mbs and more

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 1:54 PM Sabri Berisha wrote: > - On Jan 3, 2020, at 1:00 AM, Mark Tinka mark.ti...@seacom.mu wrote: > > > On 2/Jan/20 21:02, Sabri Berisha wrote: > > > >> > >> Maybe you're just dating yourself here :) I use video calling on an > almost > >> daily basis with my family

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

Mark Tinka писал 2020-01-03 04:36: And more interestingly, if that city's residents and visitors had the option of connecting to active 5G or wi-fi, what do we think they'd choose? Currently /me don't bother switching to wifi in public places bcz LTE provides enough bw for my humble

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

- On Jan 3, 2020, at 1:00 AM, Mark Tinka mark.ti...@seacom.mu wrote: > On 2/Jan/20 21:02, Sabri Berisha wrote: > >> >> Maybe you're just dating yourself here :) I use video calling on an almost >> daily basis with my family living in another country, 9 timezones away. My >> daughter can

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 2:21 PM Mike Hammett wrote: > > Right. I didn't want to spend too much of my time delving into any and all > situations where it'll vary. > ok, fair enough :) > I wonder how much the sub 1 GHz penetrates the buildings anyway if the > transmitter is at the street. > > >

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

Right. I didn't want to spend too much of my time delving into any and all situations where it'll vary. I wonder how much the sub 1 GHz penetrates the buildings anyway if the transmitter is at the street. 5G won't solve the building penetration without entering the building, which 4G

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:28 AM Mike Hammett wrote: > > Throughput is (mostly) a function of channel size, modulation, and signal to > noise ratio. > > Coverage is (mostly) a function of frequency, radiated power, obstacles, and > signal to noise ratio. > > > Other than in the bowels of large

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 4:37 AM Mark Tinka wrote: > > > > On 3/Jan/20 11:25, Saku Ytti wrote: > > > > > Yes markets differ, and this is not 4G/5G question, only thing 5G does > > is help markets which struggle to provide sufficient service in dense > > metro installations. > > Which brings us full

RE: 5G roadblock: labor

On Friday, 3 January, 2020 10:53, Radu-Adrian Feurdean wrote: >On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, at 16:38, Paul Nash wrote: >>> And more interestingly, if that city's residents and visitors had the >>> option of connecting to active 5G or wi-fi, what do we think they'd >>> choose? >> They’d probably

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Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, at 16:38, Paul Nash wrote: > > And more interestingly, if that city's residents and visitors had the > > option of connecting to active 5G or wi-fi, what do we think they'd choose? > > They’d probably choose whichever popped un onto the device first. Don't know how things

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Re: Requesting /24 from ARIN

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Re: 5G roadblock: labor

> And more interestingly, if that city's residents and visitors had the > option of connecting to active 5G or wi-fi, what do we think they'd choose? They’d probably choose whichever popped un onto the device first. FWIW, Rogers in Canada are moving to unlimited cellular data, with a monthly

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

Throughput is (mostly) a function of channel size, modulation, and signal to noise ratio. Coverage is (mostly) a function of frequency, radiated power, obstacles, and signal to noise ratio. Other than in the bowels of large buildings, coverage shouldn't be an issue in most urban areas.

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 12:56 AM Mark Tinka wrote: > > > On 1/Jan/20 17:35, Brandon Butterworth wrote: > > > > > If the mobile companies are providing the WiFi routers they can > > control it (see LTE WiFi attempt) and one day replace it with > > 5G or 6G in all the things. If they make a better

RE: 5G roadblock: labor

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe that it’s become a wavelength problem at this point with 4G in high-density areas. 5Gs shorter but higher in spectrum wavelength will need more nodes per square kilometer but have a much higher limit to its bandwidth ceiling. I believe the numbers I saw

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

Why? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Shane Ronan" To: "Mike Hammett" Cc: "Mark Tinka" , "North American Network Operators' Group" Sent: Friday, January 3, 2020

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

Obviously if the technology is available, works well, and is reasonably priced, 5G it up. However, if you're adding small cells every 500', tripling the amount of "towers" you have... does it matter much if it's LTE or NR? You're adding hundreds of megs if not gigs of capacity with LTE.

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

Not to mention manufacturers are finally focusing on the in-home WiFi that is usually the worst part of someone's Internet experience due to a lack of adequate coverage, interference, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX

Re: power to the internet

On Thursday, 2 January, 2020 21:34, "Sabri Berisha" said: > - On Jan 2, 2020, at 1:24 PM, John Levine jo...@iecc.com wrote: > >> PS: You also wouldn't believe how cheap the power is. California's >> prices are high compared to most of the US, but it's still only about >> €0.15 per KWh. >

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 3/Jan/20 11:25, Saku Ytti wrote: > > Yes markets differ, and this is not 4G/5G question, only thing 5G does > is help markets which struggle to provide sufficient service in dense > metro installations. Which brings us full circle - what's the cost of hooking those dense cities up to 5G in

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 at 11:15, Mark Tinka wrote: > If your market can offer 50Mbps of 4G for EUR20/month with a 20GB data > cap, chances are there is fibre nearby, either for your office, or your > home, or both. If there isn't, something is smelling... Yes markets differ, and this is not 4G/5G

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 3/Jan/20 10:58, Saku Ytti wrote: > > Williams comment seems somewhat market specific and perhaps even > overly negative. Mostly 5G is about better radio performance in dense > metro installations, uninteresting metric for many markets. Some > markets already do +20GB/month _average_ on 4G

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 2/Jan/20 21:02, Sabri Berisha wrote: > > Maybe you're just dating yourself here :) I use video calling on an almost > daily basis with my family living in another country, 9 timezones away. My > daughter can spend hours in her ipad "playing" with grandpa, live on video. True, but how often

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 at 10:53, Mark Tinka wrote: > > 5G is mostly about getting more unregulated data-related fees. > > Well, the kids don't want to pay for data. Heck, neither do I. > > On that basis alone, Any-G won't kill wi-fi :-). Williams comment seems somewhat market specific and perhaps

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 2/Jan/20 18:41, joel jaeggli wrote: > > The bottom of a tower is a fantastically expensive piece of real estate > to collocate something in. If you're financing the development of such > realestate it may sound great, but if you're leasing, it is sort of > outlandish, especially if you want

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 1/Jan/20 17:35, Brandon Butterworth wrote: > > If the mobile companies are providing the WiFi routers they can > control it (see LTE WiFi attempt) and one day replace it with > 5G or 6G in all the things. If they make a better job of it than > everyones devices fighting for 5GHz then they

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 1/Jan/20 16:29, jdambro...@gmail.com wrote: > Given the deployment of Wi-Fi into so many different applications - your > statement that 5G is to "replace" WiFi seems overly ambitious. Perhaps > preventing WiFi from further penetration is a better way to look at it? Wi-fi is only growing.

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 1/Jan/20 16:22, William Allen Simpson wrote: > This thread has devolved into "Why 5G"? > > A lot of folks are missing the bigger picture. > > 5G is not for better voice calls.  AFAICT, it won't help voice at all. > > 5G is not for better integration with WiFi or IP data.  5G is to >

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 1/Jan/20 08:30, Mark Milhollan wrote: >   > > Actually you went on to say that future innovations shouldn't exist > because that's just crass consumerism, and that we should be satisfied > with (in particular) HDMI instead of desiring better -- sorry, people > will want better, e.g., the