Akamai/CDN rate limiting

[John Von Essen]

Can someone from Akamai reach out off-list?

I work for a major search engine (not google or bing) and we’re rolling out a 
new region. One of our upstream API partners is using Akamai CDN on the front 
end. When we tried an initial rollout of the region we started to get alot of 
connection timeouts from the Akamai powered CDN, presumably due to some kind of 
rate limiting. It was also very bursty in nature. It would be great if we could 
confirm this, and figure out a way to mitigate.

Thanks
John

Re: Don't email clients have a kill file?

[bzs]

Looks cool, I'll check it out, thanks!

  https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/WanderLust

On May 14, 2020 at 14:57 ra...@psg.com (Randy Bush) wrote:
 > > I tend to read email with EMACS/VM.
 > 
 > fwiw, i moved from VM to Wanderlust a dozen years ago; if i remember
 > aright, for better imap support.  both have kill thread in current
 > messages.  neither remembers the kill order for newly received msgs a
 > la nn et alia.
 > 
 > randy

-- 
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Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election

[Terrence Koeman via NANOG]

Yes... and? If you cannot answer the questions posed, why reply at all? I wrote 
a 100% serious reply to your argument, but you simply fail to engage and write 
something cryptic that has no bearing on the subject (I guess to mask that you 
simply don't understand it).


This is the third time you're doing this (to me at least) and I'm forced to 
conclude that you're not just willfully ignorant, but purposefully malicious. 
Basically a paranoid concern troll with a persecution complex to boot.


I'll route your emails to /dev/null from now on. Apologies to the rest on the 
list for not doing this earlier.


-- 
Regards,
   Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy
     Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V.

Please quote relevant replies.
Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone.

From: Elad Cohen 
Sent: Thursday, 14 May 2020 20:19
To: Terrence Koeman; Owen DeLong
Cc: Shane Ronan; North American Network Operators' Group
Subject: [SPAM-MS] Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election

> "damages caused to whom and amount to be spent by whom" - You are really 
> good. 
>
>
>  
> From: Terrence Koeman 
> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 8:55 PM 
> To: Elad Cohen; Owen DeLong 
> Cc: Shane Ronan; North American Network Operators' Group 
> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election 
>
>
> "A degree in economics is not needed to know that if the damages of something 
> is causing x2 the amount that can be spent to avoid the damages - then half 
> of the amount should be spent." 
>
>
> The questions are: damages caused to whom and amount to be spent by whom (& 
> who is going to make them)? If it were a simple case of weighing the 
> aggregate costs of attacks against the aggregate costs of implementation of 
> mitigation, then we would have seen universal implementation of BCP38[1] two 
> decades ago. 
>
>
> Unfortunately, we don't live in a child's mind where things are simple. In 
> reality the parties incurring the costs of attacks are not the same as those 
> that aren't implementing the solutions to prevent them from occurring. 
>
>
> If your neighbor has a credit card debt of $20k on which he's paying 18% 
> interest, and you have savings of $20k on which you are receiving 2% 
> interest, then with your logic you should immediately pay off your neighbors' 
> debt, because that'd be cheaper for you both, collectively. 
>
>
> But of obviously you wouldn't do this, because you're NOT a collective (your 
> neighbors' wallet/bank account and yours are not the same) and thus you both 
> need to be considered separately. You don't need a degree in economics to 
> realise this, just a shred of common sense suffices. 
>
>
> If every network configured their own equipment as well as they wish others 
> would, there wouldn't be a problem in the first place. Fact is, they won't. 
> And getting someone that has already spent time and/or money on configuring 
> their own equipment correctly to pay for the privilege of not getting 
> attacked by the equipment of someone else that is either too lazy or cheap to 
> do so is going to be a tall order. 
>
>
> [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp38 
>
> -- 
> Regards, 
>    Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy 
>  Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. 
>
> Please quote relevant replies. 
> Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone. 
>  
> From: Elad Cohen  
> Sent: Thursday, 14 May 2020 18:12 
> To: Owen DeLong 
> Cc: Shane Ronan; North American Network Operators' Group 
> Subject: [SPAM-MS] Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election 
>
>
> Me: 
> "A degree in economics is not needed to know that if the damages of something 
> is causing x2 the amount that can be spent to avoid the damages - then half 
> of the amount should be spent." 
>
> Toma: 
> > A degree in economics is not needed [..] 
> "Which is the common thing to say by the ones who don't have it." 
>
> You: 
> "simply wrong on legitimate technical grounds" 
>
>
> You are not a bigotry or hatred, you are just an imbecile. 
>  
> From: Owen DeLong  
> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 7:04 PM 
> To: Elad Cohen  
> Cc: Töma Gavrichenkov ; Shane Ronan 
> ; North American Network Operators' Group 
>  
> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election 
>
> I don’t see hate. I see legitimate technical disagreement with your 
> hair-brained schemes. 
>
> Perhaps, when a large collection of people with actual engineering experience 
> and deep knowledge tell you that you are simply wrong on legitimate technical 
> grounds, it would be wiser to rethink your position than to accuse them of 
> bigotry and hatred. 
>
> Just a thought. 
>
> Owen 
>
> On May 13, 2020, at 16:48, Elad Cohen  wrote: 
>
>  
> You start your posts with Peace but your posts are full of hate. 
>  
> From: Töma Gavrichenkov  
> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:17 AM 
> To: Elad Cohen  
> Cc: Shane Ronan ; North American Network Operators' 
> 

Where to send your concerns and how to keep our community welcoming

[Edward McNair]

NANOG strives to create a welcoming environment for all. If you are concerned 
that someone has violated our usage guidelines or code of conduct, please 
contact adm...@nanog.org . We recently updated our 
guidance for consistency (there are a few we are still working on). Members of 
this list know more about what other engineers want to read than our staff, so 
please support our community approach to moderation by using common sense 
before posting.

Complaints about previous code of conduct violations were addressed in reports 
from other community members. Those individuals who sent reports were given 
confirmation that their concerns were reviewed, and that action was taken per 
NANOG guidelines (warning, moderation, bans). Similar measures were taken this 
week.

Airing grievances on the mailing list is not productive. The NANOG staff cannot 
discuss individual community members on a mailing list with tens of thousands 
of members. So you will not receive any confirmation for such reports. Also, 
it's not appropriate content per the mailing-list usage guidelines:

"The Mailing List is not an appropriate platform to resolve personal issues, 
engage in disputes, or file complaints."

Please think before you type and contact us to identify off-topic posts early 
so warnings can be sent to those who violate NANOG's policies.

Please contact adm...@nanog.org , if you believe that 
a specific post should be removed from the archives. Offensive, illegal, or 
copyright content can be removed, but there is a higher bar to clear as we 
strive to maintain a historical record of our community's discussions.

Congratulations to RIPE  for an impressive online RIPE 
80 meeting ! NANOG prides itself on 
welcoming everyone, so it encourages discussions of global issues. Still, I 
sincerely hope that our open discussion list does not distract from the 
impressive work of their program committee, staff, and working groups who put 
on such an incredible event. If you haven't yet, please take a look at the 
content from the RIPE meeting  and perhaps 
send your highlights to the nanog mailing list .


Edward McNair
Executive Director

Re: Don't email clients have a kill file?

[Randy Bush]

> I tend to read email with EMACS/VM.

fwiw, i moved from VM to Wanderlust a dozen years ago; if i remember
aright, for better imap support.  both have kill thread in current
messages.  neither remembers the kill order for newly received msgs a
la nn et alia.

randy

RE: Switch for SFP+

[nathanb]

https://mikrotik.com/product/crs312_4c_8xg_rm

 


Regards,

Nathan Babcock
President - Straight Shot Wireless

O: 575-208-7915

  

 

From: NANOG  On Behalf Of Mauro Gasparini
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 7:46 AM
To: Mehmet Akcin 
Cc: nanog 
Subject: Re: Switch for SFP+

 

Thank you. The problem is that to get a price lower than U$D 3000 I have to 
resort to a used device.

El 14/5/20 a las 01:08, Mehmet Akcin escribió:

Used Juniper QFX5100-48T will do it. Probably overkill but you can grab one 
cheap @ebay

 

On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 16:36 Mauro Gasparini mailto:mjgaspar...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Good afternoon.

I'm looking for a switch with the following capabilities:
. transport for more than 20 gbps
. link aggregation LACP
. slots for SFP+
. seamlessly when trunking vlans through the link aggregation.

And essentially that doesn't exceed US$D 2000 and is compatible with 
10GBASE-ER and/or 10GBASE-ZR modules that are not from the vendor itself 
(e.g. SPFs: Huawei, Mikrotik, Sumitomo, OEMs).

If any of you have a good experience with a device that meets these 
requirements (which are minimal with the exception of price and 
compatibility) ?

Regards.
Mauro Gasparini

-- 

Mehmet
+1-424-298-1903

 

Re: Don't email clients have a kill file?

[William Herrin]

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 11:37 AM Bjørn Mork  wrote:
> At the risk of starting an off topic discussion here, but am I the only
> one who'd like to see more plonks and less troll feeding?

Hi Bjørn,

With gmail, the message drop-down menu has both a "block sender" and a
"filter messages like this."

Personally, I think using it on a mailing list is a mistake. If you
don't want to read a thread, just don't open the thread. Let your eyes
wander past the line of subject and preview text on the off chance you
might want to look at it and then don't. It's not healthy to
completely isolate yourself from being aware of contrary opinion. That
lets nasty surprises sneak up on you.

Regards,
Bill Herrin



-- 
William Herrin
b...@herrin.us
https://bill.herrin.us/

Re: [External] Re: Don't email clients have a kill file?

[Hunter Fuller]

For those on Google Mail, enable keyboard shortcuts and hit 'm' to
mute a thread. Cheers.

Re: Don't email clients have a kill file?

[bzs]

I tend to read email with EMACS/VM. It has a 'k' command which kills
(marks deleted) every message with the same subject as the current
message being viewed.

On May 14, 2020 at 20:36 bj...@mork.no (Bjørn Mork) wrote:
 > At the risk of starting an off topic discussion here, but am I the only
 > one who'd like to see more plonks and less troll feeding?
 > 
 > I miss Usenet.
 > 
 > 
 > Bjørn

-- 
-Barry Shein

Software Tool & Die| b...@theworld.com | http://www.TheWorld.com
Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD   | 800-THE-WRLD
The World: Since 1989  | A Public Information Utility | *oo*

Re: Switch for SFP+

[Kevin Shymkiw]

While I am not sure on the optics support - what about a Ubiquiti
EdgeSwitch 16XG?

12x SFP+ ports
4x RJ-45 Ports

https://www.ui.com/edgemax/edgeswitch-16-xg/

It isn't expandable - but maybe 12xSFP+ is enough?

On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 5:37 PM Mauro Gasparini 
wrote:

> Good afternoon.
>
> I'm looking for a switch with the following capabilities:
> . transport for more than 20 gbps
> . link aggregation LACP
> . slots for SFP+
> . seamlessly when trunking vlans through the link aggregation.
>
> And essentially that doesn't exceed US$D 2000 and is compatible with
> 10GBASE-ER and/or 10GBASE-ZR modules that are not from the vendor itself
> (e.g. SPFs: Huawei, Mikrotik, Sumitomo, OEMs).
>
> If any of you have a good experience with a device that meets these
> requirements (which are minimal with the exception of price and
> compatibility) ?
>
> Regards.
> Mauro Gasparini
>

Re: Switch for SFP+

[Adam Thompson]

Have you actually looked at Mikrotik switches?  I don't like the OS, but the 
hardware does what you want it to.


https://mikrotik.com/products/group/switches?filter=c={%22sfp_plus_interface%22:{%22s%22:%223%22,%22e%22:%2224%22}}#!

If necessary, buy your SFP modules from FS.com and get them coded as Mikrotik 
modules at the factory - that's what we do for Cisco, Brocade, Juniper, 
Extreme, etc.

Even the top-of-the-line Mikrotik only costs US$899.


-Adam

Adam Thompson
Consultant, Infrastructure Services
[[MERLIN LOGO]]
100 - 135 Innovation Drive
Winnipeg, MB, R3T 6A8
(204) 977-6824 or 1-800-430-6404 (MB only)
athomp...@merlin.mb.ca
www.merlin.mb.ca


From: NANOG  on behalf of Mauro Gasparini 

Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 8:46:21 AM
To: Mehmet Akcin
Cc: nanog
Subject: Re: Switch for SFP+

Thank you. The problem is that to get a price lower than U$D 3000 I have to 
resort to a used device.

El 14/5/20 a las 01:08, Mehmet Akcin escribió:
Used Juniper QFX5100-48T will do it. Probably overkill but you can grab one 
cheap @ebay

On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 16:36 Mauro Gasparini 
mailto:mjgaspar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Good afternoon.

I'm looking for a switch with the following capabilities:
. transport for more than 20 gbps
. link aggregation LACP
. slots for SFP+
. seamlessly when trunking vlans through the link aggregation.

And essentially that doesn't exceed US$D 2000 and is compatible with
10GBASE-ER and/or 10GBASE-ZR modules that are not from the vendor itself
(e.g. SPFs: Huawei, Mikrotik, Sumitomo, OEMs).

If any of you have a good experience with a device that meets these
requirements (which are minimal with the exception of price and
compatibility) ?

Regards.
Mauro Gasparini
--
Mehmet
+1-424-298-1903

Transport and application layer configurations survey

[Usama Naseer]

Hi NANOG,

We have often read that CDNs/CSPs optimize their networking stack
configurations (e.g., TCP, HTTP etc.) to meet their performance/service
requirements.
Please help us in exploring the configurations used in the wild by filling
us this short survey (<10 minutes): CDN network configuration survey
 (https://forms.gle/vaGNC3gHxps3Esqs9)

*Background:*
There’s a plethora of protocols and configuration options (TCP congestion
control, initial congestion windows, HTTP version, HTTP options etc.)
available for networking stack to address a variety of realistic network
conditions and devices. Content providers mostly hand-tune the network
stack configurations to suit the needs of underlying networks and users. We
aim to improve the tuning by building a dynamic network stack that
delegates the choice of tuning configurations to a data-driven model and
uses the optimal set of configurations for individual networks.

*Purpose of Survey:*
This survey aims to understand the networking configurations used
in-the-wild by network operators and the extent of configuration tuning
used to curate the networking stack according to the needs of underlying
networks. We also aim to understand the rationale that goes behind tuning
the stack to a certain configuration.

We expect the survey to be filled by anyone involved with content delivery,
protocol designing, next-gen protocols or network infrastructure. The
survey and collected data are anonymous and the aggregate results will be
used as part of a scientific study.

Thanks in advance and we look forward to your responses.

Usama Naseer (Brown University, usama_nas...@brown.edu)

PS: We would appreciate if you could forward the email to other operators
who might not be a part of NANOG.

Re: Switch for SFP+

[Rudy Rucker]

Hi Mehmet,

This budget SFP+ switch: https://mikrotik.com/product/crs317_1g_16s_rm 
works great.
In the past, we've used those to add extra fiber ports to lower end 
router/switches.


Rudy

Re: Switch for SFP+

[Mauro Gasparini]

Thank you. The problem is that to get a price lower than U$D 3000 I have 
to resort to a used device.


El 14/5/20 a las 01:08, Mehmet Akcin escribió:
Used Juniper QFX5100-48T will do it. Probably overkill but you can 
grab one cheap @ebay


On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 16:36 Mauro Gasparini > wrote:


Good afternoon.

I'm looking for a switch with the following capabilities:
. transport for more than 20 gbps
. link aggregation LACP
. slots for SFP+
. seamlessly when trunking vlans through the link aggregation.

And essentially that doesn't exceed US$D 2000 and is compatible with
10GBASE-ER and/or 10GBASE-ZR modules that are not from the vendor
itself
(e.g. SPFs: Huawei, Mikrotik, Sumitomo, OEMs).

If any of you have a good experience with a device that meets these
requirements (which are minimal with the exception of price and
compatibility) ?

Regards.
Mauro Gasparini

--
Mehmet
+1-424-298-1903

Re: Don't email clients have a kill file?

[Large Hadron Collider]

Thunderbird, when I used it, did not have an easy way to implement a kill file 
for Usenet. With email, you can use a filter, but that's still not an efficient 
killfile.

On Thu, 14 May 2020 20:36:55 +0200
Bjørn Mork  wrote:

> At the risk of starting an off topic discussion here, but am I the only
> one who'd like to see more plonks and less troll feeding?
>
> I miss Usenet.
>
>
> Bjørn


--
Large Hadron Collider 

Re: Don't email clients have a kill file?

[Elad Cohen]

Bjørn, aren't you the person that enjoyed with a popcorn in the first "The 
Ronald Show" when Ronald Guilmette spread proof-less lies with antisemitism 
phrases ?

Yes! that's you:

--
Sure.  But there is still some popcorn left ;-)

Bjørn
--

You need to receive something much worst than a plonk.



From: NANOG  on behalf of Bjørn Mork 
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 9:36 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org 
Subject: Don't email clients have a kill file?

At the risk of starting an off topic discussion here, but am I the only
one who'd like to see more plonks and less troll feeding?

I miss Usenet.


Bjørn

Don't email clients have a kill file?

[Bjørn Mork]

At the risk of starting an off topic discussion here, but am I the only
one who'd like to see more plonks and less troll feeding?

I miss Usenet.


Bjørn

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as they continue to build the Internet of tomorrow. Through our first-ever
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into our achievements and operations over the past year.

“With the support of our generous volunteers and the tireless work of our
staff, NANOG enjoyed one of its most productive years ever,” says Edward
McNair, NANOG Executive Director. “In 2019, we launched our new website,
modernized our visual identity and brand voice, introduced a new badging
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RE: Operational value and legality of Spamhaus vs. unfounded accusations by Elad Cohen

[Cooke, David]

Could I request NANOG to remove this thread completely and take the soap opera 
elsewhere.

dc

From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+david.cooke=baesystemsdetica@nanog.org] 
On Behalf Of Owen DeLong
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 1:55 PM
To: Elad Cohen
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Operational value and legality of Spamhaus vs. unfounded accusations 
by Elad Cohen


PHISHING ALERT
This email has been sent from an account outside of the BAE Systems network.

Be aware that this could be a phishing attempt. For more guidance, search 
"phishing email" on Connect. If you think this is a phishing email report it 
using the "PhishMe" button on Outlook.


Subject changed per request from NANOG staff.


On May 13, 2020, at 19:20 , Elad Cohen 
mailto:e...@netstyle.io>> wrote:


This is the second time I’ve seen you make this claim in public. I see nothing 
in the slide deck you linked which claims they are illegal.

According to their private presentation in the following link - they receive on 
a regular basis private data from their contacts in internet companies and 
internet organizations in illegal way - and then they share it with Law 
Enforcement Agencies in illegal way (without any warrant).

https://www.scribd.com/document/445894312/Spamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Violation

You keep claiming that they receive this data in an illegal way, yet have not 
substantiated that claim with any actual evidence.

Continuing to point to the same slide deck which only states that they hold a 
lot of information provided in confidence by industry players and that the 
“players” in question provide the information with the understanding that 
Spamhaus may pass it on to LEA “where needed”.

There’s nothing in the slide deck about the nature of the information (nothing 
says it is private data, though I suppose that might be implied to some extent 
by “provided in confidence”). Certainly nothing says that it is illegal for 
their contacts to provide said data or that they don’t have appropriate 
permission from the data owners, etc.


Nor does it say that they are anonymous, in fact, the CIO’s name (Richard D G 
Cox) is prominently displayed on the title slide.

Spamhaus using fake names such as "Mike Anderson", "Rob Shultz", "Thomas 
Morrison", "Pete Dewas" - is a fact.
Richard D G Cox name is displayed in the presentation - because it was a 
private presentation that was displayed in a private event and they never knew 
that it will become public.

You’ll need to provide a basis and some evidence to back that up. Otherwise, 
it’s just your word, which frankly, IMHO, isn’t worth the electrons it’s 
transmitted on.



I seriously doubt that if they were truly the criminals you say they are, they 
would be permitted to name the FBI as a partner on their website: 
https://www.spamhaus.org/organization/

They are helping Law Enforcement Agencies on a regular basis and in very high 
volume according to their own presentation (by sharing with them all the 
illegaly-obtained privacy data) - so Law Enforcement Agencies look the other 
way.

Not generally the way criminals work.

Again, “illegally obtained privacy data” is your accusation without evidence so 
far.

Do you have a basis for this claim? Do you have evidence to support it?



I also sincerely doubt that if they were criminals, as you state, that they 
would be admitted as members, let alone receive awards from the National 
Cber-Forensics and Training Alliance.

Some of the employees of Spamhaus are past members of Law Enforcement Agencies, 
such as Andrew Fried (from deteque.com - owned by 
Spamhaus) - which was a former special agent in USA government before hoped to 
his new job at Spamhaus. They are connected to the Law Enforcement Agencies in 
the Western world.

So your claim is that the FBI is supporting former agents who have become 
career criminals and are operating organizations that should be prosecuted 
under the RICO act?

That’s quite an accusation… Care to present any evidence to back it up? Truth 
is an absolute defense to defamation in the US, but unless you have some 
evidence to back that up, the only thing protecting you from a successful 
lawsuit at this point is probably:
+  Your credibility is so completely lacking, it’s unlikely 
your (likely false) accusations are causing actual harm (the plaintiff must 
show harm)
+  They probably consider it to be not worth their time and 
expense to bother with you.



Indeed, ISPA has also presented them with an “Internet Hero Award”.

Yes, they help Law Enforcement Agencies, but in illegal way.

You keep saying this as if continuing to repeat it while still providing zero 
evidence to support the claim somehow makes it more believable.

It is true that repeating a lie makes it more 

Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election

[Elad Cohen]

"damages caused to whom and amount to be spent by whom" - You are really good.



From: Terrence Koeman
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 8:55 PM
To: Elad Cohen; Owen DeLong
Cc: Shane Ronan; North American Network Operators' Group
Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election


"A degree in economics is not needed to know that if the damages of something 
is causing x2 the amount that can be spent to avoid the damages - then half of 
the amount should be spent."


The questions are: damages caused to whom and amount to be spent by whom (& who 
is going to make them)? If it were a simple case of weighing the aggregate 
costs of attacks against the aggregate costs of implementation of mitigation, 
then we would have seen universal implementation of BCP38[1] two decades ago.


Unfortunately, we don't live in a child's mind where things are simple. In 
reality the parties incurring the costs of attacks are not the same as those 
that aren't implementing the solutions to prevent them from occurring.


If your neighbor has a credit card debt of $20k on which he's paying 18% 
interest, and you have savings of $20k on which you are receiving 2% interest, 
then with your logic you should immediately pay off your neighbors' debt, 
because that'd be cheaper for you both, collectively.


But of obviously you wouldn't do this, because you're NOT a collective (your 
neighbors' wallet/bank account and yours are not the same) and thus you both 
need to be considered separately. You don't need a degree in economics to 
realise this, just a shred of common sense suffices.


If every network configured their own equipment as well as they wish others 
would, there wouldn't be a problem in the first place. Fact is, they won't. And 
getting someone that has already spent time and/or money on configuring their 
own equipment correctly to pay for the privilege of not getting attacked by the 
equipment of someone else that is either too lazy or cheap to do so is going to 
be a tall order.


[1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp38

--
Regards,
   Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy
 Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V.

Please quote relevant replies.
Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone.

From: Elad Cohen 
Sent: Thursday, 14 May 2020 18:12
To: Owen DeLong
Cc: Shane Ronan; North American Network Operators' Group
Subject: [SPAM-MS] Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election


Me:
"A degree in economics is not needed to know that if the damages of something 
is causing x2 the amount that can be spent to avoid the damages - then half of 
the amount should be spent."

Toma:
> A degree in economics is not needed [..]
"Which is the common thing to say by the ones who don't have it."

You:
"simply wrong on legitimate technical grounds"


You are not a bigotry or hatred, you are just an imbecile.

From: Owen DeLong 
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 7:04 PM
To: Elad Cohen 
Cc: Töma Gavrichenkov ; Shane Ronan 
; North American Network Operators' Group 

Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election

I don’t see hate. I see legitimate technical disagreement with your 
hair-brained schemes.

Perhaps, when a large collection of people with actual engineering experience 
and deep knowledge tell you that you are simply wrong on legitimate technical 
grounds, it would be wiser to rethink your position than to accuse them of 
bigotry and hatred.

Just a thought.

Owen

On May 13, 2020, at 16:48, Elad Cohen  wrote:


You start your posts with Peace but your posts are full of hate.

From: Töma Gavrichenkov 
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:17 AM
To: Elad Cohen 
Cc: Shane Ronan ; North American Network Operators' 
Group 
Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election

Peace,

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 2:14 AM Elad Cohen  wrote:
> A degree in economics is not needed [..]

Which is the common thing to say by the ones who don't have it.

I think, dixi.

--
Töma

Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election

[Owen DeLong]

[snip]
> Owen DeLong:
> "simply wrong on legitimate technical grounds"
> 
> 
> You are not a bigotry or hatred, you are just an imbecile.
> From: Owen DeLong 
> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 7:04 PM
> To: Elad Cohen 
> Cc: Töma Gavrichenkov ; Shane Ronan 
> ; North American Network Operators' Group 
> 
> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
>  
> I don’t see hate. I see legitimate technical disagreement with your 
> hair-brained schemes. 
> 
> Perhaps, when a large collection of people with actual engineering experience 
> and deep knowledge tell you that you are simply wrong on legitimate technical 
> grounds, it would be wiser to rethink your position than to accuse them of 
> bigotry and hatred. 
> 
> Just a thought. 
> 
> Owen
> 
[snip]

This is at least the third time you’ve called me an imbecile on this list, 
though the first time you’ve spelled it correctly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imbecile 

Since I don’t meet any of the technical or scientific definitions previously 
used for the term, I can only assume that you intend it in its vernacular 
meaning as a derogatory remark which amounts to ad hominem attacks prohibited 
by list policy.

Unless it is your goal to be moderated and/or removed from the list, I suggest 
you stick to arguing the merits (or rather lack thereof) of your position and 
cease the ad hominem attacks.

Owen

Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election

[Terrence Koeman via NANOG]

"A degree in economics is not needed to know that if the damages of something 
is causing x2 the amount that can be spent to avoid the damages - then half of 
the amount should be spent."


The questions are: damages caused to whom and amount to be spent by whom (& who 
is going to make them)? If it were a simple case of weighing the aggregate 
costs of attacks against the aggregate costs of implementation of mitigation, 
then we would have seen universal implementation of BCP38[1] two decades ago.


Unfortunately, we don't live in a child's mind where things are simple. In 
reality the parties incurring the costs of attacks are not the same as those 
that aren't implementing the solutions to prevent them from occurring.


If your neighbor has a credit card debt of $20k on which he's paying 18% 
interest, and you have savings of $20k on which you are receiving 2% interest, 
then with your logic you should immediately pay off your neighbors' debt, 
because that'd be cheaper for you both, collectively.


But of obviously you wouldn't do this, because you're NOT a collective (your 
neighbors' wallet/bank account and yours are not the same) and thus you both 
need to be considered separately. You don't need a degree in economics to 
realise this, just a shred of common sense suffices.


If every network configured their own equipment as well as they wish others 
would, there wouldn't be a problem in the first place. Fact is, they won't. And 
getting someone that has already spent time and/or money on configuring their 
own equipment correctly to pay for the privilege of not getting attacked by the 
equipment of someone else that is either too lazy or cheap to do so is going to 
be a tall order.


[1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp38

-- 
Regards,
   Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy
     Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V.

Please quote relevant replies.
Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone.

From: Elad Cohen 
Sent: Thursday, 14 May 2020 18:12
To: Owen DeLong
Cc: Shane Ronan; North American Network Operators' Group
Subject: [SPAM-MS] Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election

> Me: 
> "A degree in economics is not needed to know that if the damages of something 
> is causing x2 the amount that can be spent to avoid the damages - then half 
> of the amount should be spent." 
>
> Toma: 
> > A degree in economics is not needed [..] 
> "Which is the common thing to say by the ones who don't have it." 
>
> You: 
> "simply wrong on legitimate technical grounds" 
>
>
> You are not a bigotry or hatred, you are just an imbecile. 
>  
> From: Owen DeLong  
> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 7:04 PM 
> To: Elad Cohen  
> Cc: Töma Gavrichenkov ; Shane Ronan 
> ; North American Network Operators' Group 
>  
> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election 
>
> I don’t see hate. I see legitimate technical disagreement with your 
> hair-brained schemes. 
>
> Perhaps, when a large collection of people with actual engineering experience 
> and deep knowledge tell you that you are simply wrong on legitimate technical 
> grounds, it would be wiser to rethink your position than to accuse them of 
> bigotry and hatred. 
>
> Just a thought. 
>
> Owen 
>
> On May 13, 2020, at 16:48, Elad Cohen  wrote: 
>
>  
> You start your posts with Peace but your posts are full of hate. 
>  
> From: Töma Gavrichenkov  
> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:17 AM 
> To: Elad Cohen  
> Cc: Shane Ronan ; North American Network Operators' 
> Group  
> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election 
>
> Peace, 
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 2:14 AM Elad Cohen  wrote: 
> > A degree in economics is not needed [..] 
>
> Which is the common thing to say by the ones who don't have it. 
>
> I think, dixi. 
>
> -- 
> Töma 


smime.p7s
Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

Operational value and legality of Spamhaus vs. unfounded accusations by Elad Cohen

[Owen DeLong]

Subject changed per request from NANOG staff.

> On May 13, 2020, at 19:20 , Elad Cohen  wrote:
> 
> 
> This is the second time I’ve seen you make this claim in public. I see 
> nothing in the slide deck you linked which claims they are illegal.
> 
> According to their private presentation in the following link - they receive 
> on a regular basis private data from their contacts in internet companies and 
> internet organizations in illegal way - and then they share it with Law 
> Enforcement Agencies in illegal way (without any warrant).
> 
> https://www.scribd.com/document/445894312/Spamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Violation
>  
> 

You keep claiming that they receive this data in an illegal way, yet have not 
substantiated that claim with any actual evidence.

Continuing to point to the same slide deck which only states that they hold a 
lot of information provided in confidence by industry players and that the 
“players” in question provide the information with the understanding that 
Spamhaus may pass it on to LEA “where needed”.

There’s nothing in the slide deck about the nature of the information (nothing 
says it is private data, though I suppose that might be implied to some extent 
by “provided in confidence”). Certainly nothing says that it is illegal for 
their contacts to provide said data or that they don’t have appropriate 
permission from the data owners, etc.

> 
> Nor does it say that they are anonymous, in fact, the CIO’s name (Richard D G 
> Cox) is prominently displayed on the title slide.
> 
> Spamhaus using fake names such as "Mike Anderson", "Rob Shultz", "Thomas 
> Morrison", "Pete Dewas" - is a fact.
> Richard D G Cox name is displayed in the presentation - because it was a 
> private presentation that was displayed in a private event and they never 
> knew that it will become public.

You’ll need to provide a basis and some evidence to back that up. Otherwise, 
it’s just your word, which frankly, IMHO, isn’t worth the electrons it’s 
transmitted on.

> 
> I seriously doubt that if they were truly the criminals you say they are, 
> they would be permitted to name the FBI as a partner on their website: 
> https://www.spamhaus.org/organization/ 
> 
> 
> They are helping Law Enforcement Agencies on a regular basis and in very high 
> volume according to their own presentation (by sharing with them all the 
> illegaly-obtained privacy data) - so Law Enforcement Agencies look the other 
> way.

Not generally the way criminals work.

Again, “illegally obtained privacy data” is your accusation without evidence so 
far.

Do you have a basis for this claim? Do you have evidence to support it?

> 
> I also sincerely doubt that if they were criminals, as you state, that they 
> would be admitted as members, let alone receive awards from the National 
> Cber-Forensics and Training Alliance.
> 
> Some of the employees of Spamhaus are past members of Law Enforcement 
> Agencies, such as Andrew Fried (from deteque.com  - 
> owned by Spamhaus) - which was a former special agent in USA government 
> before hoped to his new job at Spamhaus. They are connected to the Law 
> Enforcement Agencies in the Western world.

So your claim is that the FBI is supporting former agents who have become 
career criminals and are operating organizations that should be prosecuted 
under the RICO act?

That’s quite an accusation… Care to present any evidence to back it up? Truth 
is an absolute defense to defamation in the US, but unless you have some 
evidence to back that up, the only thing protecting you from a successful 
lawsuit at this point is probably:
+   Your credibility is so completely lacking, it’s unlikely your 
(likely false) accusations are causing actual harm (the plaintiff must show 
harm)
+   They probably consider it to be not worth their time and 
expense to bother with you.

> 
> Indeed, ISPA has also presented them with an “Internet Hero Award”.
> 
> Yes, they help Law Enforcement Agencies, but in illegal way.

You keep saying this as if continuing to repeat it while still providing zero 
evidence to support the claim somehow makes it more believable.

It is true that repeating a lie makes it more likely for others to fall for it, 
but only if those to whom you are repeating the lie aren’t aware that it’s a 
lie. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_truth_effect 


The problem you have here is that your audience knows better.

> 
> Frankly, when it comes to the issues of criminality, I think Spamhaus has 
> significantly more credibility than you do.
> 
> Thank you for keep taking part in the illegal cyber influence operation. I 
> dislike the word "credibility" - I like the words facts and data. Facts and 
> data are 

Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election

[Elad Cohen]

Me:
"A degree in economics is not needed to know that if the damages of something 
is causing x2 the amount that can be spent to avoid the damages - then half of 
the amount should be spent."

Toma:
> A degree in economics is not needed [..]
"Which is the common thing to say by the ones who don't have it."

You:
"simply wrong on legitimate technical grounds"


You are not a bigotry or hatred, you are just an imbecile.

From: Owen DeLong 
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 7:04 PM
To: Elad Cohen 
Cc: Töma Gavrichenkov ; Shane Ronan 
; North American Network Operators' Group 

Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election

I don’t see hate. I see legitimate technical disagreement with your 
hair-brained schemes.

Perhaps, when a large collection of people with actual engineering experience 
and deep knowledge tell you that you are simply wrong on legitimate technical 
grounds, it would be wiser to rethink your position than to accuse them of 
bigotry and hatred.

Just a thought.

Owen

On May 13, 2020, at 16:48, Elad Cohen  wrote:


You start your posts with Peace but your posts are full of hate.

From: Töma Gavrichenkov 
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:17 AM
To: Elad Cohen 
Cc: Shane Ronan ; North American Network Operators' 
Group 
Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election

Peace,

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 2:14 AM Elad Cohen  wrote:
> A degree in economics is not needed [..]

Which is the common thing to say by the ones who don't have it.

I think, dixi.

--
Töma

Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election

[Owen DeLong]

I don’t see hate. I see legitimate technical disagreement with your 
hair-brained schemes. 

Perhaps, when a large collection of people with actual engineering experience 
and deep knowledge tell you that you are simply wrong on legitimate technical 
grounds, it would be wiser to rethink your position than to accuse them of 
bigotry and hatred. 

Just a thought. 

Owen

> On May 13, 2020, at 16:48, Elad Cohen  wrote:
> 
> 
> You start your posts with Peace but your posts are full of hate.
> From: Töma Gavrichenkov 
> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:17 AM
> To: Elad Cohen 
> Cc: Shane Ronan ; North American Network Operators' 
> Group 
> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
>  
> Peace,
> 
> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 2:14 AM Elad Cohen  wrote:
> > A degree in economics is not needed [..]
> 
> Which is the common thing to say by the ones who don't have it.
> 
> I think, dixi.
> 
> --
> Töma

Re: (updated) COVID-19 fast/small resources page

[Rich Kulawiec]

Update on:

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 10:42:32PM -0400, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
> It's here: http://www.firemountain.net/covid19.html

I've been updating this every 24-48 hours.  It now includes every
applicable case/test tracker I'm aware of and links to quite a few
articles and papers.  (I may break the latter out into a second page;
there's obviously a lot of activity and it's starting to become difficult
to figure out what's most germane.  I've long since pushed journalism
links to a second page, because there are too many.)  I've gotten helpful
feedback from the NANOG and REN-ISAC folks (thanks!) and have added
some things in response to that.

If there are other relevant and reliable resources that would assist
the community, I'd be happy to add them.  Please ping me off-list.

---rsk

Re: StreetNode MIB

[Eric Kuhnke]

What does it look like if you snmpwalk it, numeric option, from the root of
the snmp tree?

Even in the total absence of a MIB with descriptions I bet some community
members could make good educated guesses as to which discrete OIDs are the
voltages, RSL values, temperatures, and other critically relevant integers
for monitoring systems. Feel free to send me a whole snmpwalk off list if
that helps.



On Wed, May 13, 2020, 4:45 PM Richard Basque  wrote:

> I inherited a network with a handful of Intracom Telecom StreetNode 60ghz
> Point to Point Links. I am having a difficult time locating the MIB files
> for these units, anyone know where I might be able to find them?
>
> Thanks
>

Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election

[Dave Bell]

You just reminded me to vote. Thanks!

On Thu, 14 May 2020 at 12:32, Elad Cohen  wrote:

> The public will decide.
> --
> *From:* NANOG  on behalf of Baldur Norddahl <
> baldur.nordd...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 14, 2020 10:25 AM
> *To:* nanog@nanog.org 
> *Subject:* Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
>
> That statement makes no sense. Everyone also get free IPv6 and almost
> everyone have equipment that can do IPv6. All anyone has to do is configure
> his free IPv6.
>
> tor. 14. maj 2020 01.56 skrev Elad Cohen :
>
> At the moment this is exactly what happen, but companies are buying IPv4+,
> when they can receive them for free with IPv4+.
> --
> *From:* NANOG  on behalf of Brielle <
> br...@2mbit.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:40 AM
> *To:* NANOG list 
> *Subject:* Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
>
> What makes you think that companies are going to spend money and time on
> your “solution” when they’re having to be dragged kicking and screaming to
> fully enable IPv6 to every endpoint on their networks?
>
> Most places already OWN IPv6 capable routers/equipment, they’re just
> either being lazy in setting it up (“no reason to” excuse) or there’s not
> enough customer demand for them to take the time.
>
> You don’t seem to have a firm grasp on WHY IPv6 adoption is taking so
> long.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 13, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Elad Cohen  wrote:
>
> 
> A degree in economics is not needed to know that if the damages of
> something is causing x2 the amount that can be spent to avoid the damages -
> then half of the amount should be spent.
> --
> *From:* Töma Gavrichenkov 
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:09 AM
> *To:* Elad Cohen 
> *Cc:* Shane Ronan ; North American Network
> Operators' Group 
> *Subject:* Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
>
> Peace,
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 2:04 AM Elad Cohen  wrote:
> > [..] for example if spoofed DDoS amplification attacks are
> > causing yearly damages of $100M per year in the world
> > and these EOL equipment cost $50M in the world, it
> > might be worth to replace them)
>
> What's your degree in economics?  Is it an MBA, and if yes, then where?
>
> Quite frankly, when it comes to your biography published on the
> candidates page, we honestly don't even know if you're even succeeded
> in primary school.  There's nothing telling about this.
>
> What engineering experience do you have?
>
> --
> Töma
>
>

Re: An appeal for more bandwidth to the Internet Archive

[Chuck Church]

You mean not everyone still looks up the classifications on
mulletsgalore.com?

Chuck

On Wed, May 13, 2020, 7:54 PM Valdis Klētnieks 
wrote:

> On Wed, 13 May 2020 10:40:36 +0300, Denys Fedoryshchenko said:
> > What about introducing some cache offloading, like CDN doing? (Google,
> > Facebook, Netflix, Akamai, etc)
> > I think it can be rolled pretty quickly, with minimum labor efforts, at
> > least for heavy content.
>
> The thing is that if you're an 800 pound gorilla, you probably have enough
> things that would benefit from being cached to make it worthwhile.
>
> I'd expect that the Internet Archive is probably mostly long-tail hits
> with not
> much hot content.  Has anybody modeled how much cache space would it take
> to
> significantly improve the bandwidth situation?
>
>

Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election

[Elad Cohen]

The public will decide.

From: NANOG  on behalf of Baldur Norddahl 

Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 10:25 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org 
Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election

That statement makes no sense. Everyone also get free IPv6 and almost everyone 
have equipment that can do IPv6. All anyone has to do is configure his free 
IPv6.

tor. 14. maj 2020 01.56 skrev Elad Cohen 
mailto:e...@netstyle.io>>:
At the moment this is exactly what happen, but companies are buying IPv4+, when 
they can receive them for free with IPv4+.

From: NANOG mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org>> on behalf 
of Brielle mailto:br...@2mbit.com>>
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:40 AM
To: NANOG list mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>
Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election

What makes you think that companies are going to spend money and time on your 
“solution” when they’re having to be dragged kicking and screaming to fully 
enable IPv6 to every endpoint on their networks?

Most places already OWN IPv6 capable routers/equipment, they’re just either 
being lazy in setting it up (“no reason to” excuse) or there’s not enough 
customer demand for them to take the time.

You don’t seem to have a firm grasp on WHY IPv6 adoption is taking so long.

Sent from my iPad

On May 13, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Elad Cohen 
mailto:e...@netstyle.io>> wrote:


A degree in economics is not needed to know that if the damages of something is 
causing x2 the amount that can be spent to avoid the damages - then half of the 
amount should be spent.

From: Töma Gavrichenkov mailto:xima...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:09 AM
To: Elad Cohen mailto:e...@netstyle.io>>
Cc: Shane Ronan mailto:sh...@ronan-online.com>>; North 
American Network Operators' Group mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>
Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election

Peace,

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 2:04 AM Elad Cohen 
mailto:e...@netstyle.io>> wrote:
> [..] for example if spoofed DDoS amplification attacks are
> causing yearly damages of $100M per year in the world
> and these EOL equipment cost $50M in the world, it
> might be worth to replace them)

What's your degree in economics?  Is it an MBA, and if yes, then where?

Quite frankly, when it comes to your biography published on the
candidates page, we honestly don't even know if you're even succeeded
in primary school.  There's nothing telling about this.

What engineering experience do you have?

--
Töma

Re: Switch for SFP+

[Jörg Kost]

Hello Mauro,

the ICX7250-24P-2X10G may fit. 2×10 GbE SFP+, 6x1 GbE, can be licensed 
for full 8x10G.


Regards
Jörg


On 13 May 2020, at 20:56, Mauro Gasparini wrote:


Good afternoon.

I'm looking for a switch with the following capabilities:
. transport for more than 20 gbps
. link aggregation LACP
. slots for SFP+
. seamlessly when trunking vlans through the link aggregation.

And essentially that doesn't exceed US$D 2000 and is compatible with 
10GBASE-ER and/or 10GBASE-ZR modules that are not from the vendor 
itself (e.g. SPFs: Huawei, Mikrotik, Sumitomo, OEMs).


If any of you have a good experience with a device that meets these 
requirements (which are minimal with the exception of price and 
compatibility) ?


Regards.
Mauro Gasparini

Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election

[Baldur Norddahl]

That statement makes no sense. Everyone also get free IPv6 and almost
everyone have equipment that can do IPv6. All anyone has to do is configure
his free IPv6.

tor. 14. maj 2020 01.56 skrev Elad Cohen :

> At the moment this is exactly what happen, but companies are buying IPv4+,
> when they can receive them for free with IPv4+.
> --
> *From:* NANOG  on behalf of Brielle <
> br...@2mbit.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:40 AM
> *To:* NANOG list 
> *Subject:* Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
>
> What makes you think that companies are going to spend money and time on
> your “solution” when they’re having to be dragged kicking and screaming to
> fully enable IPv6 to every endpoint on their networks?
>
> Most places already OWN IPv6 capable routers/equipment, they’re just
> either being lazy in setting it up (“no reason to” excuse) or there’s not
> enough customer demand for them to take the time.
>
> You don’t seem to have a firm grasp on WHY IPv6 adoption is taking so
> long.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 13, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Elad Cohen  wrote:
>
> 
> A degree in economics is not needed to know that if the damages of
> something is causing x2 the amount that can be spent to avoid the damages -
> then half of the amount should be spent.
> --
> *From:* Töma Gavrichenkov 
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:09 AM
> *To:* Elad Cohen 
> *Cc:* Shane Ronan ; North American Network
> Operators' Group 
> *Subject:* Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
>
> Peace,
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 2:04 AM Elad Cohen  wrote:
> > [..] for example if spoofed DDoS amplification attacks are
> > causing yearly damages of $100M per year in the world
> > and these EOL equipment cost $50M in the world, it
> > might be worth to replace them)
>
> What's your degree in economics?  Is it an MBA, and if yes, then where?
>
> Quite frankly, when it comes to your biography published on the
> candidates page, we honestly don't even know if you're even succeeded
> in primary school.  There's nothing telling about this.
>
> What engineering experience do you have?
>
> --
> Töma
>
>